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vxcmplx said:
Thanks for explaining. I think in the past, PES used to indicate the connection quality of a host? I don't seem to see that in PES14 anymore.

Is it true that in p2p gaming, the host experience less lag? I've hosted games where I felt an incredible amount of lag, but it seemed like the other person was playing fine.
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Should be; you are the one giving out the data and receiving the data anyway. It really depends on the netcode though; it's quite complicated. Try googling client-side vs server-side for fps games for example; both can apply to dedicated servers and P2P. Server-side means that the server is the one saying who got hit, meaning the guy with poor connection will lag while everyone else is hitting a guy who isn't moving; while client-side means that the client is telling the server that you hit someone, which means you can get those 'you kill each other at the same time' kinda thing even though, in real time you shot the guy first, but have worst internet connection. Both configurations have it's advantages and disadvantages. That's only one example though; like i said it's pretty complicated.

They probably found the visual connection quality info pretty redundant, as the netcode automatically makes the guy with connectivity the host anyway. The only games that use that visual cue are ones where you can control who is host; usually ones with lobbies and rooms. Isn't the new teamplay feature for pes having that kind of format anyway?

P2P isn't all that bad, there are actually quite a few pros compared to dedicated servers; it's just that P2P is unreliable because it depends on the host. Either way; while PES has no dedicated servers, their netcode is probably quite terribly designed and optimized; hence why so many people have problems.

Don't take my word for it though; i'm just a third year student in mechatronic engineering; so i only know the jist of it haha.
 
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You all agree with a poster who claims we should ignore the glaring issues with the game and if we choose not to, we should play a football equivalent of NBA Jam? Yeah, fantastic post. I truly love these, "you're not intelligent enough to play the game," posts. I really do.

expat said:
People say it isn't realistic, but then in the next breath complain because they can't score 40 yarders at will. Anyone who's actually pulled on a pair of boots will tell you that they can count on one hand the amount of 40 yard screamers they have put into the top corner in a real game. They are so memorable because they do not happen every week.
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By the same taken how many times have you seen a keeper pluck a powerful, swerving shot that's destined for the top corner (or crossbar) out of the air with both hands? Almost never? Well, it's certainly common place in PES 2014.
 
Redhat said:
You all agree with a poster who claims we should ignore the glaring issues with the game and if we choose not to, we should play a football equivalent of NBA Jam? Yeah, fantastic post. I truly love these, "you're not intelligent enough to play the game," posts. I really do.



By the same taken how many times have you seen a keeper pluck a powerful, swerving shot that's destined for the top corner (or crossbar) out of the air with both hands? Almost never? Well, it's certainly common place in PES 2014.
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Not so much after the patch, cause of the increasing power. Instead i see the keeper parry the ball a lot.
 
losslesscompression said:
Not so much after the patch, cause of the increasing power. Instead i see the keeper parry the ball a lot.
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Well, that's a relief. I'll have to give it a go then. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe that long range efforts should be flying in left, right and center, but often times I'll him absolute screamers from the edge of the box only for the keeper to catch the ball as if I tossed it to him. It's a bit of a disconnect in the mechanics. Glad to hear they actually parry the ball a bit more. I'd like to see them palm it over the bar more often as well.
 
sgmullins said:
It is a fine game......at times. When i play for two or three games at a time, i love it. When it plays smooth and fluid it's brilliant. Its when i play longer than 3 games at a time is where the game suddenly starts running in slowmo mode. This is offline. The same thing happens online too.

It's not acceptable. I have never had this problem with any other pes.
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Reboot console, drekkards has made a good post why
 
Redhat said:
You all agree with a poster who claims we should ignore the glaring issues with the game and if we choose not to, we should play a football equivalent of NBA Jam? Yeah, fantastic post. I truly love these, "you're not intelligent enough to play the game," posts. I really do.



By the same taken how many times have you seen a keeper pluck a powerful, swerving shot that's destined for the top corner (or crossbar) out of the air with both hands? Almost never? Well, it's certainly common place in PES 2014.
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I'm with you.

The best thing about the forum is reading about other's experiences with the game (both positive and negative).
 
expat said:
So tired of all the negativity here - I've been a member of this site for over 7 years and have played every PES version since International Superstar Soccer on Super Nintendo. Some have been good, some have been bad and some have been glorious. That said I can honestly say that PES 2014 is the best incarnation of the game I have played. It feels like football and you have to 'think' about the way you play. These days it seems most want a game where they can play like Ronaldo or Messi without having to do much work to get to that point.
The complaints on here about 2014 are bordering on ludicrous in regard to CPU pressure, long range shots, defending, goalkeeping etc...
People say it isn't realistic, but then in the next breath complain because they can't score 40 yarders at will. Anyone who's actually pulled on a pair of boots will tell you that they can count on one hand the amount of 40 yard screamers they have put into the top corner in a real game. They are so memorable because they do not happen every week.
Defensive pressure is too much and I can't dribble around the entire defence and score - I see that on forums all the time...
Adjust the tactics of your opponents - that's what the option is there for! The whole game is designed to be tailored to each users preference. If you can't be bothered to do it then your probably more suited to playing the football equivalent of NBA Jam.
Through all the years I've played football video games (I'm 42 btw) I always hoped that someone, one day would make a game where I actually had to think, plan and execute moves to a degree of skill to actually mirror what happens on a real football pitch and this, for me, is the closest thing to date. What annoys me the most though, is that so called fans ask for more realism and when they get it they complain that it's too hard or they can't be bothered or worse still slag off the company that gave them exactly what they asked for initially.
Now I agree when the game was released it was a mess, and I even agree that it shouldn't have taken so long to fix with the patch, but come on guys, since the patch the game is a joy to play if you forget everything you learned from previous versions and relearn the controls properly. It's not a game of ping pong, it's not gymnastics and it's not about firing 40 yarders in from every ridiculous angle.
It's football, it's realism, it's skill, it's touch...it's the beautiful game

End of rant :-)
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I wanted realism but this game is far from realistic. I agree, a game where you can score from 40 yards all the time would be rubbish. But the game NEVER lets you score from 40, 30 and rarely even 20 yards. R2 shooting doesn't work any further out than five to ten yards out, and keepers are the worst I've seen in any PES ever. Seriously, they're still atrocious. I'm absolutely baffled at how anyone can argue they are acceptable. I'd say over half of all goals I score and concede were down to the keeper pulling off some stupid, unrealistic attempt at a save and getting it horribly wrong. From medium to close range they're appalling, and from any further out they're unbeatable regardless of stats or form.

I'm glad you're enjoying the game but just because many people don't like it, doesn't mean we all want to play PES6 and score from 40 yards over and over.

There's a lot of realism in certain aspects of the game when you have the ball at your feet, but the AI is far from realistic. You basically say Konami should be applauded for making a game so realistic but at the same time say you should alter the opponents tactics? You, in fact, have made the game more realistic yourself, not Konami.
 
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expat said:
So tired of all the negativity here - I've been a member of this site for over 7 years and have played every PES version since International Superstar Soccer on Super Nintendo. Some have been good, some have been bad and some have been glorious. That said I can honestly say that PES 2014 is the best incarnation of the game I have played. It feels like football and you have to 'think' about the way you play. These days it seems most want a game where they can play like Ronaldo or Messi without having to do much work to get to that point.
The complaints on here about 2014 are bordering on ludicrous in regard to CPU pressure, long range shots, defending, goalkeeping etc...
People say it isn't realistic, but then in the next breath complain because they can't score 40 yarders at will. Anyone who's actually pulled on a pair of boots will tell you that they can count on one hand the amount of 40 yard screamers they have put into the top corner in a real game. They are so memorable because they do not happen every week.
Defensive pressure is too much and I can't dribble around the entire defence and score - I see that on forums all the time...
Adjust the tactics of your opponents - that's what the option is there for! The whole game is designed to be tailored to each users preference. If you can't be bothered to do it then your probably more suited to playing the football equivalent of NBA Jam.
Through all the years I've played football video games (I'm 42 btw) I always hoped that someone, one day would make a game where I actually had to think, plan and execute moves to a degree of skill to actually mirror what happens on a real football pitch and this, for me, is the closest thing to date. What annoys me the most though, is that so called fans ask for more realism and when they get it they complain that it's too hard or they can't be bothered or worse still slag off the company that gave them exactly what they asked for initially.
Now I agree when the game was released it was a mess, and I even agree that it shouldn't have taken so long to fix with the patch, but come on guys, since the patch the game is a joy to play if you forget everything you learned from previous versions and relearn the controls properly. It's not a game of ping pong, it's not gymnastics and it's not about firing 40 yarders in from every ridiculous angle.
It's football, it's realism, it's skill, it's touch...it's the beautiful game

End of rant :-)
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Agree with most of that except the CPU pressure, which has been increased since the patch and is now far too overbearing throughout the game. It needs to ebb and flow more. Shooting and keeper response still needs some improvement too along with headers in the box. Other than that I love the game on the pitch. Now that the patch has been released hopefully those that don't like the game will have the common sense to leave their opinion here and in the feedback thread and then reduce the frequency of negative posts in here until a new patch is released or we start to hear news about PES 2015. The trolls as they say, like InfoO, will slowly fall by the wayside due to the efficient moderation of the forum staff.
 
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expat said:
So tired of all the negativity here - I've been a member of this site for over 7 years and have played every PES version since International Superstar Soccer on Super Nintendo. Some have been good, some have been bad and some have been glorious. That said I can honestly say that PES 2014 is the best incarnation of the game I have played. It feels like football and you have to 'think' about the way you play. These days it seems most want a game where they can play like Ronaldo or Messi without having to do much work to get to that point.
The complaints on here about 2014 are bordering on ludicrous in regard to CPU pressure, long range shots, defending, goalkeeping etc...
People say it isn't realistic, but then in the next breath complain because they can't score 40 yarders at will. Anyone who's actually pulled on a pair of boots will tell you that they can count on one hand the amount of 40 yard screamers they have put into the top corner in a real game. They are so memorable because they do not happen every week.
Defensive pressure is too much and I can't dribble around the entire defence and score - I see that on forums all the time...
Adjust the tactics of your opponents - that's what the option is there for! The whole game is designed to be tailored to each users preference. If you can't be bothered to do it then your probably more suited to playing the football equivalent of NBA Jam.
Through all the years I've played football video games (I'm 42 btw) I always hoped that someone, one day would make a game where I actually had to think, plan and execute moves to a degree of skill to actually mirror what happens on a real football pitch and this, for me, is the closest thing to date. What annoys me the most though, is that so called fans ask for more realism and when they get it they complain that it's too hard or they can't be bothered or worse still slag off the company that gave them exactly what they asked for initially.
Now I agree when the game was released it was a mess, and I even agree that it shouldn't have taken so long to fix with the patch, but come on guys, since the patch the game is a joy to play if you forget everything you learned from previous versions and relearn the controls properly. It's not a game of ping pong, it's not gymnastics and it's not about firing 40 yarders in from every ridiculous angle.
It's football, it's realism, it's skill, it's touch...it's the beautiful game

End of rant :-)
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My sentiments exactly
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Redhat said:
Well, that's a relief. I'll have to give it a go then. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe that long range efforts should be flying in left, right and center, but often times I'll him absolute screamers from the edge of the box only for the keeper to catch the ball as if I tossed it to him. It's a bit of a disconnect in the mechanics. Glad to hear they actually parry the ball a bit more. I'd like to see them palm it over the bar more often as well.
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If i understand your post well, you didn't even try to play PES2014 after the patch ? If that is the case, why argue with people who did try it ? With all due respect, but isn't this a bit strange ?

If i misunderstood your post, then i apologize...
 
expat said:
So tired of all the negativity here - I've been a member of this site for over 7 years and have played every PES version since International Superstar Soccer on Super Nintendo. Some have been good, some have been bad and some have been glorious. That said I can honestly say that PES 2014 is the best incarnation of the game I have played. It feels like football and you have to 'think' about the way you play. These days it seems most want a game where they can play like Ronaldo or Messi without having to do much work to get to that point.
The complaints on here about 2014 are bordering on ludicrous in regard to CPU pressure, long range shots, defending, goalkeeping etc...
People say it isn't realistic, but then in the next breath complain because they can't score 40 yarders at will. Anyone who's actually pulled on a pair of boots will tell you that they can count on one hand the amount of 40 yard screamers they have put into the top corner in a real game. They are so memorable because they do not happen every week.
Defensive pressure is too much and I can't dribble around the entire defence and score - I see that on forums all the time...
Adjust the tactics of your opponents - that's what the option is there for! The whole game is designed to be tailored to each users preference. If you can't be bothered to do it then your probably more suited to playing the football equivalent of NBA Jam.
Through all the years I've played football video games (I'm 42 btw) I always hoped that someone, one day would make a game where I actually had to think, plan and execute moves to a degree of skill to actually mirror what happens on a real football pitch and this, for me, is the closest thing to date. What annoys me the most though, is that so called fans ask for more realism and when they get it they complain that it's too hard or they can't be bothered or worse still slag off the company that gave them exactly what they asked for initially.
Now I agree when the game was released it was a mess, and I even agree that it shouldn't have taken so long to fix with the patch, but come on guys, since the patch the game is a joy to play if you forget everything you learned from previous versions and relearn the controls properly. It's not a game of ping pong, it's not gymnastics and it's not about firing 40 yarders in from every ridiculous angle.
It's football, it's realism, it's skill, it's touch...it's the beautiful game

End of rant :-)
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+1 from me too. Very well written! I agree this PES has made me think more than previous versions! Yes it has its negatives (I dislike keepers in the usual situations), some tolerate it more than others and some are plain unhappy. I prefer to focus on the positives and work with what I got. Thats life.

and some of the long range shots I've made post 1.04. I really don't think I will even pull any of this off pre-patch.

http://youtu.be/MikJbOoFX1U
http://youtu.be/co-BLqfE_XY
http://youtu.be/X3Jkf5njLQA

I posted this on the PC thread (i'm on PC of course) but thought I would share them here. I would also like to add I did all these across the space of 10+ matches? so I would say the "probability and ease" has been improved.
 
Currently i'm editing all team to make sure the CPU send their CB forward in set-pieces. It should be done by default really. Previously if you not tweaking anything the game will automatically send one of your CB forward.

This year two CBs (to join the attack) are overkill because there's no player covering your defensive half leaving you exposed. In previous titles your midfielder will automatically drop back swapping place with the CB. Someone need to tweet this to Adam.
 
Really enjoying this version of PES but my biggest gripe is that first time shots and headers don't work at all in the Advanced shooting mode. The players always take an extra touch. I've played an entire league in superstar mode, finished 3rd and didn't score a single header or volley?!!.
I really hope they sort this problem out as it seems broken to me.
 
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has anyone also noticed a new falling animation that a player does if he is knocked off the ball with a shoulder barge, he falls halfway per se and then regains his balance and straightens up. I only noticed it with a few players like Eto and I think Messi. I wonder if it only applies to high balance players
 
cire754 said:
has anyone also noticed a new falling animation that a player does if he is knocked off the ball with a shoulder barge, he falls halfway per se and then regains his balance and straightens up. I only noticed it with a few players like Eto and I think Messi. I wonder if it only applies to high balance players
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I've seen it before the patch. It happens rarely and looks awesome!
 
james.thomp said:
Really enjoying this version of PES but my biggest gripe is that first time shots and headers don't work at all in the Advanced shooting mode. The players always take an extra touch. I've played an entire league in superstar mode, finished 3rd and didn't score a single header or volley?!!.
I really hope they sort this problem out as it seems broken to me.
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I have a pc version, it is manual setting in which header with shoot button does not work inside box. Advanced works though.

cire754 said:
has anyone also noticed a new falling animation that a player does if he is knocked off the ball with a shoulder barge, he falls halfway per se and then regains his balance and straightens up. I only noticed it with a few players like Eto and I think Messi. I wonder if it only applies to high balance players
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Regarding falling animation and recovery to continue dribble, yes it is nice when happens. Good addition. It comes to my mind, hopefully, the outcome will be broader next year. Just like the falling animation by CPU when we shoulder barge them with Right analogue stick. There are two output :
1. Dispossessed and not fall
2. Dispossessed and fall, then foul called by referee.

So, for the almost fall, recover, and continue dribble. they could add "almost fall, recover, but fall eventually". I am thinking :
1. almost fall, recover, and continue dribble, no foul
2. almost fall, recover, and but fall eventually, no foul
3. almost fall, recover, and continue dribble, foul called by ref certain situation
4. almost fall, recover, and but fall eventually, foul called by ref certain situation.

The same possible output also applies with normal shoulder barge i mention before. I hope i don't confuse you guys. lol.

However, lets the referee strictness and various parameter come into equation. Our emotion probably will be immersed in the game much more. May be.
 
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Thespeedster84 said:
I have a pc version, it is manual setting in which header with shoot button does not work inside box. Advanced works though.
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On the PS3 Advanced as well as Manual don't work. I've just played for the first time with Basic shooting and its so much better and you can still place your shots anywhere in the goal.

The other modes are definitely broken on this format.
 
Redhat said:
You all agree with a poster who claims we should ignore the glaring issues with the game and if we choose not to, we should play a football equivalent of NBA Jam? Yeah, fantastic post. I truly love these, "you're not intelligent enough to play the game," posts. I really do.
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:TU:

Yep, same old condescending nonsense.
 
james.thomp said:
On the PS3 Advanced as well as Manual don't work. I've just played for the first time with Basic shooting and its so much better and you can still place your shots anywhere in the goal.

The other modes are definitely broken on this format.
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Did you install the 1.04 patch?
 
Thers still no oomph to shots.

I mean ive just been clean through against the keeper and i wanted to blast it so whacked on the power...and my man passed it into the net mid height.

Also my players keep chesting the ball instead of heading.
 
vxcmplx said:
Did you install the 1.04 patch?
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Yes I did. I've been playing it extensively in advanced mode and its still the same. Broken. Basic is way way better. I dont see the need for other modes for shooting as it plays just fine in Basic plus you can manual shoot if you want by using L2
 
james.thomp said:
Yes I did. I've been playing it extensively in advanced mode and its still the same. Broken. Basic is way way better. I dont see the need for other modes for shooting as it plays just fine in Basic plus you can manual shoot if you want by using L2
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Strange. I have no problems with scoring headers with manual shooting after the patch. Both the (square) or (square + triangle) type.
 
Thespeedster84 said:
@suarez

This is pre patch, not broken i think.

YouTube - PES 2014 GOALS
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Ive just been tryingtraining and practicing. Basically about 2 in 6 shots on basic are hit hard, the rest lack firepower even if you keep the power bar pressed.

Interestingly, when im one on one andtry to blast it the player always defaults to a neat finish, ALWAYS. only when i use manual shooting with trigger can i blast it from 8 yards.
 
gomito#10 said:
Reboot console, drekkards has made a good post why
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Nah, Ive had enough of it. Ive sold it to cex uk. I got £21 back so I'm reasonably happy, it will go towards something for my ps4.

I'll stick with fifa 14(never thought i would hear myself saying that)until pes comes out on next gen.
 
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