PES 2014 Discussion Thread

[romagnoli]

It depends. Not many game and software are finished out of the box, just like few examples that i mentioned before.

To me PES 2014 doesn't have such major game-breaker bug which render it totally unplayable.

Whether it is worthy 40 bucks or not is on personal level, it's subjective.

Online was pretty unplayable from the start, as it generally has been for 7 years. It's kind of better now but there's a bug where, if you make a substitution in the last few minutes of the game online, there's a big chance the match will freeze. I've won a couple of games I was losing and lost one I was winning through this, and generally just try to remember not to make any substitutions towards the end of the game now (though obviously lapses in memory will happen if I don't run into the problem for a while).

It's daft to compare FIFA and PES as though both are suffering the same problems. PES is a fraction of the size of FIFA in terms of game modes, online infrastructure, user base, and in essence opportunities for the game to go wrong. EA have released a patch already. EA have not had to rip out large amounts of the game's content and promise to release them later as DLC. FIFA 14 is on next-gen. FIFA 14 has rain. FIFA has had 11 v 11 for years. FIFA didn't delay its demo because it realised the one it was about to release was a bit plop. FIFA didn't cancel its PC demo - it was released before the console demos.

It's one thing to play devil's advocate about this debate, but ultimately, when you're talking about an annual title such as PES, you cannot equate this level of 'We'll fix it later' with a title such as GTA which is of an unprecedented scale, or FIFA which has a far less dense quantity of bugs and balancing issues to be fixed despite being a larger title spanning this gen and next. It's impossible to objectively look at the PES 2014 development and release process and not come to the conclusion that Konami hit far more significant scheduling and resource issues than they ever have before. Even allowing for the bog-standard post-release patching cycle games have become comfortable with in recent times, PES 2014 is two months undercooked.

 

[gerd]

Well going by this logic I wouldn't bother buying most products today as they're mostly unfinished code with day 1 patches and troublesome online.

I never play online, so i will not discuss that. Could be that i'm wrong.
I recently bought 4 games.

GTAV
PES2014
FIFA14
NBA2k14

There is one of these games that i would call unfinished: PES2014.

I prefer PES' gameplay to FIFA's (but i also like FIFA, it's different, but also very good), but in FIFA you got al lthe licenses, you got tons of stadiums, you got cool new music, fantastic menus.

To my astonishment the rosters weren't up-to-date. For example no Eriksen with Spurs...very simple solution: you can download the correct rosters.

For PES: you have to wait until novembre...

I haven't seen any stutter in one of the 3 other games like the one you get while being in the box (the most crucial area in football) with PES. This is the equivalent of a boss fight with serious frame rate drops at precisely that moment.


I have nothing against you Lami, but you are sooo biased when it concerns PES.

Konami has become a very lazy company over the years (concerning PES) and part of that is due to the brilliant editing community around this game, but the problem is that they never did anything constructive with this tremendous advantage. No Konami acted as a parasite towards his creative customers...

It's not that i have something about people like Jimmy who seem to enjoy enormously all those PES games, sometimes i don't agree with them.

At the same time, while having bought those 4 games, i'm playing 85% of the time the unfinished game...some people in here will say that this is "proof" that Konami are doing a very good job...IMO it isn't, that makes it even more dramatic.

I haven't got the time to edit (for example) all the English teams...i have a very busy professional life and i have kids who want my undivided attetion. After 10 PM i just want to enjoy a couple of good football games without too much fuzz...

Yesterday for example i played a cracking match between Genoa and Udinese (me), i would also like to play with my favourite team (Genk), but it isn't even the game...and i really don't see any reason why it isn't...

Konami can also put hunders of the teams in the game, for a game that is played by people who claim to be real football fans, it is essential that you could play (for example) the Swedish or Swiss competition...

People were ecstatic that Konami has added the Argentinean and Chilean league to their game (so was i). Well their rosters are horribly wrong (and i'm not talking one or two players, i'm talking about whole teams...) and when i started up FIFA i also noticed that to my astonishment EA had added the Argentinian, The Chilean and the Colombian league...South-America seems to be very important for Konami, yet once again EA won this contest...licences ??? My arse. Lazyness, sloppyness and no respect for the customers.

End of rant.

 

[Rooney10]

Well going by this logic I wouldn't bother buying most products today as they're mostly unfinished code with day 1 patches and troublesome online.

And this isn't an excuse, it's just the reality of it.

There are only a bunch that I've enjoyed right out the box this gen.

All uncharted games, last of us, gta, etc. Tell me which wasn't playable on day 1. I laugh how you try to defend a game that is unplayable. I know you're committed to the community but lets not defend them.

 

[Rooney10]

Super glad people are finally slating the game. We need to slate it to improve it. Finally after many years everyone has woken up. You can't treat us like dirt.

 

[Jamezinho]

Even allowing for the bog-standard post-release patching cycle games have become comfortable with in recent times, PES 2014 is two months undercooked.

Succinctly put.

Personally I would have no problem with a two month delay. They should have been honest with the fans and pushed back the release date. How many of us would seriously object to that if it was for the benefit of the product?

Given that Konami decided to go up against GTAV, a later release date would have been well-advised this year. I just think we need a little more honesty from Konami. I'm sure an admission that the game isn't ready and needs more time would be welcomed by the true fans.

 

[klashman69]

Hi, I'm in Australia now

I doubt I'll be able to play this game for a while since i don't yet have a proper flatshare, and i don't have a laptopp that can play it. It seems everyone hates the game again anyway

I doubt I'll be around for this month in October, November I'll see what happens.

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

Yeah the timing of releasing the game at least two months early is odd given that GTA V was out in the same week. Really odd.

I'm hopeful we'll have a finished game in November, if not then I'll be selling it on I think and put it down to being some kind of beta test for the new engine. Don't get me wrong, in the middle of the park the game is genius, best football game ever made, but it collapses when the ball gets into either penalty area.

For all complaints in past games about scripting, the very last thing I ever imagine I'd be complaining about now is that the AI randomly lets me score with ease. Defenders don't challenge in the box, I'm constantly tackling the last defender and running in for a goal, and the keepers can't save one v ones. They just stay on their line until you get six or seven yards our and just blast it past them. How do Konami programme keepers to be solid in one v one situations then, on a new engine, make keepers with such bad judgement? I just don't get it. And why are keepers unbeatable from long range but awful in their own six yard box?

I dunno. FIFA on PS4/XB1 is just around the corner and despite PES playing a brilliant game in the middle of the park, I'm tempted. I mean I could overlook superficial aspects in the past like old rosters, unlicenced teams etc but with the game being so bare across the board, and now with so many gameplay issues, well, it's hard not to look at a shiny new FIFA game on new hardware.

I mean, with stuff like rosters, they'll be updated to reflect summer transfers by the end of November at the latest, nearly halfway through the current season, then we'll have four or five weeks before the transfer window opens. Then we'll get an update of that around March/April. It's constantly behind.

 

[Suarez75]

The variety of goals on Fifa is immense on manual play. You never score the same goal twice. And if you get a good set of custom sliders, then you are already to go.

 

[romagnoli]

There are basic design choices that have nothing to do with time, as well. The transfer fees, for example. I tried a bit of ML when I first got PES, purely to see how the transfers etc worked. I don't know what Moyes' problem was, I signed Ander Herrera for Utd for under £4m.

Why are we shown percentages for chances of transfer success? Far too clinical. Make it 1-5 at most, surely, like the form arrows.

 

[Rooney10]

Personally having been ard for years, lurking mostly, other than 2008 because that was 100% crap, it's wonderful seeing even regulars completely slating the game. It's because we see a great game underneath but the problems that we have are crazy. Some have slowdowns and some have horrible gks. Those 2 problems that youd never have a video game to have in 2013!

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

There are basic design choices that have nothing to do with time, as well. The transfer fees, for example. I tried a bit of ML when I first got PES, purely to see how the transfers etc worked. I don't know what Moyes' problem was, I signed Ander Herrera for Utd for under £4m.

Why are we shown percentages for chances of transfer success? Far too clinical. Make it 1-5 at most, surely, like the form arrows.

I find it astonishing that Konami have a transfer system in place where you can't set prices for your own players. Must be a design choice too, but why? I can't think of a single reason.

 

[Rooney10]

Now we can only hope that Adam and konami manages to get just how unhappy the community is. And that they are aware which bugs absolutely needs fixing. We'll wait till November but if the major bugs are not then patched, their next sales will go down that much.

 

[losslesscompression]

Well going by this logic I wouldn't bother buying most products today as they're mostly unfinished code with day 1 patches and troublesome online.

And this isn't an excuse, it's just the reality of it.

There are only a bunch that I've enjoyed right out the box this gen.

Add ArmA III to that list. Releasing a title without SP campaign, poor optimization and broken online code even though the game was build around PC is unacceptable.

Should put the argument of "developer need to prioritize PC gaming first" to the sword.

Remind me a lot of PES 2014. Both have similar idea with simulation route, but the implementation was lacking and not quite ready.

 

[Ipswich69]

Now we can only hope that Adam and konami manages to get just how unhappy the community is. And that they are aware which bugs absolutely needs fixing. We'll wait till November but if the major bugs are not then patched, their next sales will go down that much.

You're on a roll today, aren't ya.

 

[Deluxe]

This game is good, all the changes compaed to 2008-2013 are positives. I think we all agree with that. It's the king of gameplay, but sadly its notoriously unfinished. This year it feels more than ever, and i related this to two factors, and it MUST be fixed on november patch:

- Fox Engine: Unfortunately it was the first game to use it and the least should have been, given his situation with the previous bad engine that used. It was a very risky play. The optimization is atrocious.

- Release date: Konami was forced to release his first time "next-Gen" PES by having in front "perfect form FIFA" that at this point of the generation his engine it more than polished. We all know that is impossible to Konami releasing the game after, because it will be doomed. At this point who has this power i think it's EA.

So, i think that all this campaign that Konami are doing about asking like crazy feedback from users, from all the globe, for the changes on November's patch, it's his way to say that the REAL game will be released on that date.

I hope to see noticeable changes that we feel satisfied, and no placebos reaction that some can see and others don't.

 

[Falcao_9]

Guys for me the PES 2014 is amazing..I was playing PES until PES 6...2008-2010 i was playing PES 5 and PES 6 and on seasons 2011-2013 i was playing FIFA 11, FIFA 12 and FIFA 13...
The PES 2014 for me is the best simulation football game..I love it...

Some fixes from KONAMI and editors and will be the best football game...

- Fix the stuttering problem...I have some lags and problems with replay and with the corners and gk's free kicks..

- Trasnfers from KONAMI..

- Editing for English and Portugal kits and many faces from editors...

 

[ridders1977]

I've been an Evertonian for 30-odd years, the defending and goalkeeping look fucking spot-on to me!

 

[losslesscompression]

I already forwarded the issue of AI defending lacking aggression and seems content to just backing off even inside their own penalty box. I think it is a known issue, since many are reporting it. Adam and @officialpes shouldn't be oblivious to it if they really did play the game.

But from my experience after completing 1 1/2 of ML, it doesn't happen every time. I'm not sure if it depend on team style or completely random.

 

[Rooney10]

You're on a roll today, aren't ya.

Pretty much. But I have my reasons and not to worry I'm not a closet Fifa fan.

 

[Coach pep]

LOL. OK fair enough, you have the crown for the moment. But don't take it for granted. Soon, someone else will come along and say they busted out their Super Nintendo and find International Superstar Soccer (1995) to be the pinnacle of virtual football. They will say that 2014 is nothing but a cruel joke in comparison, and that even PES 2 is just for kids like you who want flashy graphics and pointlessly-realistic animations.

So, savour ever last moment spent with that piece of gold resting on your noggin. Mark my words - you will be dethroned before long.

Lol, I didn't mean to entirely trashtalk Pes 2014. In fact I wrote a very long post here praising it to heaven not so long ago, but still there is something missing, and thats what I wanted to point out. In Pes 2, you immideatly feel the game has a steady spine, and when you control a player you instantly BECOME him. Every course of his action is you. In Pes 14 its more like you just control the player, without really feeling you become him. The tension is not there. Its a bit slobby and soulless. This would partly get sorted by better player awareness and responsivness.

 

[LeChuck]

My first post in I don't know how many years, but I have to get a few things off my chest regarding this mindboggling version. In some ways brilliant, but in many ways unplayable and annoying. I won't repeat the issues of the general public as I fully agree with most of them: improving responsiveness, shots, goalkeepers etc.

I have played every version since the SNES days, but this is the first time I don't "feel" anything when playing. I have also always used the D-pad, which in my opinion is the only way you get the responsiveness needed in order to be in complete control of your player and passes. With the PA set to 1 I usually had myself to blame if the pass didn't find a teammate.

This year though they go left, right, over the top, to opponents not anywhere near my intended direction. And I have tried altering the assistance. It is, sadly, no way near the feel it used to have.

Also what happened to the weak foot frequency and accuracy stat - I know it is displayed, but the players doesn't seem to favorise their strongest foot and shifting their body in order to use it as in previous versions. Now it feels exactly like FIFA and that's NOT a good thing. Especially if you take the licensing part into account..

Lastly I miss the small gestures the players had on the pitch, when not getting a free-kick, missing shots, not receiving the pass when in front of an open goal. It certainly has the potential, but now it's just: meh..

And I know rain was left out because of the physics involved, but at least put in overcast with a chance of sunny as an option. The sun doesn't always shine on TV..

 

[reinelt97]

My first post in I don't know how many years, but I have to get a few things off my chest regarding this mindboggling version. In some ways brilliant, but in many ways unplayable and annoying. I won't repeat the issues of the general public as I fully agree with most of them: improving responsiveness, shots, goalkeepers etc.

I have played every version since the SNES days, but this is the first time I don't "feel" anything when playing. I have also always used the D-pad, which in my opinion is the only way you get the responsiveness needed in order to be in complete control of your player and passes. With the PA set to 1 I usually had myself to blame if the pass didn't find a teammate.

This year though they go left, right, over the top, to opponents not anywhere near my intended direction. And I have tried altering the assistance. It is, sadly, no way near the feel it used to have.

Also what happened to the weak foot frequency and accuracy stat - I know it is displayed, but the players doesn't seem to favorise their strongest foot and shifting their body in order to use it as in previous versions. Now it feels exactly like FIFA and that's NOT a good thing. Especially if you take the licensing part into account..

Lastly I miss the small gestures the players had on the pitch, when not getting a free-kick, missing shots, not receiving the pass when in front of an open goal. It certainly has the potential, but now it's just: meh..

Welcome to the club of disgruntled, frustrated, disappointed and down-right angry Konami customers. By club I mean not the exclusive one the likes of @Lami and @Ipswich69 are in with the latter claiming I was posting "rubbish" with similar and just as legitimate complaints.

 

[LeChuck]

Welcome to the club of disgruntled, frustrated, disappointed and down-right angry Konami customers. By club I mean not the exclusive one the likes of @Lami and @Ipswich69 are in with the latter claiming I was posting "rubbish" with similar and just as legitimate complaints.

Thanks. I love that they've toned down the tempo of the game and made the ball independent though, but almost everything else has taken a turn for the worse. I don't care about insane life-like graphics, stadiums, crowd atmosphere, delicious menu's or crap like that. I want to play football. They should prioritize in getting the game updated, not player faces ffs.

Oh and one other thing: set piece system has got to go along with the over-enthusiastic crowd who can't seem to sit still. It's impossible to overhit corners and free-kicks.

And I have tried and forced myself to enjoy it ever since the release, but now I've run out of steam.. it's not a finished game or no way near it.

EDIT: The rant just keeps going and going. I played the demo and thought that it was great (at least the shots felt like, well shots), but the retail version is in my opinion shockingly worse.

 

[Coach pep]

You have to force and fool yourself into liking this game in its current state..

Btw, dribbling is a total mess. Doesn't feel good at all. Using the right stick is nice, but you don't get that awesome feeling when beating a player, its just slobby..

 

[kgx2thez]

Online was pretty unplayable from the start, as it generally has been for 7 years. It's kind of better now but there's a bug where, if you make a substitution in the last few minutes of the game online, there's a big chance the match will freeze. I've won a couple of games I was losing and lost one I was winning through this, and generally just try to remember not to make any substitutions towards the end of the game now (though obviously lapses in memory will happen if I don't run into the problem for a while).

It's daft to compare FIFA and PES as though both are suffering the same problems. PES is a fraction of the size of FIFA in terms of game modes, online infrastructure, user base, and in essence opportunities for the game to go wrong. EA have released a patch already. EA have not had to rip out large amounts of the game's content and promise to release them later as DLC. FIFA 14 is on next-gen. FIFA 14 has rain. FIFA has had 11 v 11 for years. FIFA didn't delay its demo because it realised the one it was about to release was a bit plop. FIFA didn't cancel its PC demo - it was released before the console demos.

It's one thing to play devil's advocate about this debate, but ultimately, when you're talking about an annual title such as PES, you cannot equate this level of 'We'll fix it later' with a title such as GTA which is of an unprecedented scale, or FIFA which has a far less dense quantity of bugs and balancing issues to be fixed despite being a larger title spanning this gen and next. It's impossible to objectively look at the PES 2014 development and release process and not come to the conclusion that Konami hit far more significant scheduling and resource issues than they ever have before. Even allowing for the bog-standard post-release patching cycle games have become comfortable with in recent times, PES 2014 is two months undercooked.

Quoted for truth

Succinctly put.

Personally I would have no problem with a two month delay. They should have been honest with the fans and pushed back the release date. How many of us would seriously object to that if it was for the benefit of the product?

Given that Konami decided to go up against GTAV, a later release date would have been well-advised this year. I just think we need a little more honesty from Konami. I'm sure an admission that the game isn't ready and needs more time would be welcomed by the true fans.

You say that now after you have played the game and realized it's unfinished but had Konami released in November they would have surely dug their own grave. Footy games are unique in that their release doesn't coincide with the start of the season. Another delay coupled with not being released on next-gen would have put the franchise at a serious disadvantage in what seems like an inevitable downhill spiral. Konami probably relies on their "true-fans" a little too much when it comes to editing and making the game more "complete" and appealing with option files/editing. It's really the casual fan that they need if they want to close the gap on EA and IMO, they are driving them away with things like poor roster/transfer support, unplayable online lag, Xbox 360 data pack issues, etc...

The core gameplay is the best to date but the inconsistencies are maddening.


BTW, anyone else receive an update this morning when starting the game up? It was a 4mb file on the XBOX 360.

/end rant

 

[Kundera]

I just downloaded a 4 MB update for PES on XBOX 360. Anyone knows what is it about?

 

[NO_Limit]

Super cancel: R1+R2 and you'll be controlling freely.

I forced my PS3 to 720p (it was at 1080i) and boy has that made a difference. Zero lag, stuttering is gone and only a few frames dropped in the most complex cutscenes, nothing to do with how it felt and looked before!

So I have to stop running in order to do this? Thats crappy or can I just hold R1 and then press R2 for a second? There is no option to say that i want always the free control right?


By the way. Whats really interesting is. That Rockstar succeeded to release three patches within less than a month after release and Konami well needs aparently more for that...

 

[Rooney10]

Someone got a patch on 360. Anything for the ps3 players? We are the main ones who are suffering.

 

[LeChuck]

So I have to stop running in order to do this? Thats crappy or can I just hold R1 and then press R2 for a second? There is no option to say that i want always the free control right?


By the way. Whats really interesting is. That Rockstar succeeded to release three patches within less than a month after release and Konami well needs aparently more for that...

I'm guessing the prolonged wait is because they're not done with the game code. Programming takes time.

 

[embraceuk1]

Update was to try and fix the data pack download speed issues