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Oh and is zero assistance actually full manual? It's great but a lot harder than last year. I'm also not noticing any difference in passing ability between players, it was just as easy to misplace a simple pass with Pirlo as it was with anyone else.
 
I don't like Zero this year, it's too Manual, and therefore lacks realism for me. I shouldn't have to concentrate with decent players to make a 10 yard pass, that my son could make. Blindfolded.

I'm enjoying 1-Bar with Advanced Through-Ball. There is still a lot of room for error on 1-Bar, it feels not too dissimilar to last years Zero.

I agree with the Long Range shooting though. The keepers positioning were awful last year. This year they are almost too perfect.

It's a strange one for me, this version is certainly more realistic from a shooting perspective. But lacks that fun, score from anywhere element of previous PES games. In saying that, I've seen long range goals scored, so it's not impossible, just very rare.
 
Robbery said:
Right stick works great you must doing something wrong here. Try holding the right stick to the right and moving the left stick to the left as soon as you receive a pass. Just to see how it works. You can do a lot more by pressing and holding the right stick in combination with moving the left stick for example.

But at first try it with a simple move. At a throw in for example. Throw it in and hold (hold it not flick it) the right stick down and move the left stick up for example. You will see it works great.
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When you say, 'pressing and holding', do you mean pressing the right analogue button? Or just holding the stick in a particular direction? I've got to admit, I'm not sure I am seeing this 'weight-shifting' ability of the right stick.

Also, someone mentioned L2 allows a closer dribble. Is this really correct? It doesn't seem like it to me, and if L2 is the manual pass button it seems a bit odd to use it for a different dribble too.

It's mighty strange that the training section doesn't explain the controls in much more detail. You'd think that the devs would like us to know exactly how much we can do in the game, rather than have it shrouded in mystery...

I imagine kids in a school hallway somewhere at break time, huddled together. One of them whispers, 'I heard if you hold L2 and wiggle both analogue sticks in just the right way, CR7 bends over and a blinding light is emitted from his behind, rendering the defenders useless. But you DIDN'T get this from me, right?' They all do a mysterious group handshake before dispersing nonchalantly, as if they didn't even know each other.
 
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I would agree about Passing Assistance. Though I generally prefer to play PES iterations on Unassisted Passing, this version feels too manual. When one CB finds it hard to pass to the other CB I sort of feel like I am wearing mittens or something. And I would agree that I can make the same terrible or lovely pass from midfield to the wing with Pirlo or Phil Jones, on Unassisted.

I'm playing 1-bar, 10 minute matches on Professional in ML as Utrecht. I've had the chance to move to finer clubs, and I thought for sure that I would, but I've grown such a liking and admiration for my young team that I keep saying "one more year". Just this third year my player choices are having tactical meaning in games, especially during substitutions and on defense.

Perhaps I've scored a dozen long rangers. But I think all of them involved either deception or surprise. If the keeper has reasonable sight of the shot-taking, it's very hard to score. The ones I've scored have been first time or against the grain or with a defender blocking sight for the keeper. That's my feeling anyway.

The gameplay is only getting better in this third year and certainly, the heart is pronounced and my keepers are lights out. Opposing keepers not quite so much, with some juvenile animations. No loan offers; not a single full-game injury, just a couple of in-game, temporary injuries. No penalties, no handball.

Once I get my hands on a BLUS OF for PS3, I think I will play this game all year. Switching clubs after 6-7 years is going to be great. I can see myself coming back to check in on the boys at Utrecht after I leave next year, for example.
 
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Houldey said:
When you say, 'pressing and holding', do you mean pressing the right analogue button? Or just holding the stick in a particular direction? I've got to admit, I'm not sure I am seeing this 'weight-shifting' ability of the right stick.

Also, someone mentioned L2 allows a closer dribble. Is this really correct? It doesn't seem like it to me, and if L2 is the manual pass button it seems a bit odd to use it for a different dribble too.

It's mighty strange that the training section doesn't explain the controls in much more detail. You'd think that the devs would like us to know exactly how much we can do in the game, rather than have it shrouded in mystery...

I imagine kids in a school hallway somewhere at break time, huddled together. One of them whispers, 'I heard if you hold L2 and wiggle the second analogue stick in just the right way, CR7 bends over and a blinding light is emitted from his behind, rendering the defenders useless. But you didn't get this from me, right?' They all do a mysterious group handshake before dispersing nonchalantly, as if they didn't even know each other.
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You might clarify your controller settings. What you are describing as L2 (very close control) is generally R2 for most. And that function is still very relevant. Anyway, just check that your inputs are what you think they are, you know?
 
Playing online and noticed the guy I was playing had a vertical line popping up on the map in his own half a few times. What is it?
 
radha1 said:
You might clarify your controller settings. What you are describing as L2 (very close control) is generally R2 for most. And that function is still very relevant. Anyway, just check that your inputs are what you think they are, you know?
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Umm, well someone has definitely mentioned L2 as offering the closer controlled dribble. I will try and find the quote. I haven't played the last few Pro Evos, but I believe that the R2 of the last few years (whatever that was) is dead, with the right analogue stick alone replacing it to some degree.

This year, R2 just allows you to roll your foot over the ball, which is a bit lame for any more than a few steps - you look like a crab.

From another thread (the one about WE9 vs PES2014):

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Using L2 you can take the ball closer for better direction-changing, or you use the right-stick to shift body-weight, but it takes a bit of time and practice to use it well.
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So, henrys hand, what's the story? :)
 
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Houldey said:
Umm, well someone has definitely mentioned L2 as offering the closer controlled dribble. I will try and find the quote. I haven't played the last few Pro Evos, but I believe that the R2 of the last few years (whatever that was) is dead, with the right-analogue stick alone replacing it to some degree.

This year, R2 just allows you to roll your foot over the ball, which is a bit lame for any more than a few steps - you look like a crab.
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You might be right, but just check your inputs. I am not having that experience with very close control. I agree that now default dribbling (Left and Right Stick) is what we use to do with Left Stick plus R2, close control. But R2 now offers very close control, or precise dribbling I guess, which does include the roll over but plenty more. At least in my experience I can trap, roll, sideways dribble, face-up, etc when adding R2 to Left and Right stick in this iteration.

Can others help with this? I know nothing of L2...
 
radha1 said:
You might be right, but just check your inputs. I am not having that experience with very close control. I agree that now default dribbling (Left and Right Stick) is what we use to do with Left Stick plus R2, close control. But R2 now offers very close control, or precise dribbling I guess, which does include the roll over but plenty more. At least in my experience I can trap, roll, sideways dribble, face-up, etc when adding R2 to Left and Right stick in this iteration.

Can others help with this? I know nothing of L2...
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L2 is for manual passes and shots. It doesn't affect dribbling unless you change R1 or R2 to it.
 
kevano22 said:
I play manual shooting, but I can't seem to volley or attempt a header at goal.

Why?
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In some cases I think the response needs adjusting by Konami for shots and headers inside the penalty area. Hard to explain, as it's about feel really, but I've have been quite successful pre-loading the shot gauge and then directing with the stick... Needs tweaking though...
 
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I fired up the demo tonight and played a few games. I agree with everyone who says theres a good game in there some where. Its just not on view enough and bogged down by negatives.

I had some really good moments followed by things that clearly havent been tested - one thing that PES does do much better than FIFA is player identity - but that I mean when you have someone like Pirlo in PES - its a joy to play with him. Dictates the play and his passing is special where as in Fifa he doesnt stand out enough. You dont feel like you have a really special player in your hands.
 
Houldey said:
When you say, 'pressing and holding', do you mean pressing the right analogue button? Or just holding the stick in a particular direction? I've got to admit, I'm not sure I am seeing this 'weight-shifting' ability of the right stick.
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You can do both, pressing the right stick and hold it pressed or just hold the right stick into a direction, and you will get a different output.

For example if you pass the ball to your teammate and your teammate is standing still and with the back to the opponent goal you can press the right stick and hold it pressed and in the same time you move the left stick toward the opponent goal. In this case your teammate will kick the ball lightly in the air and will flick the ball over his shoulder and move into the direction of the goal.

Another example, you're playing from the right to the left. You throw the ball in to your teammate (right footer) who is standing still and with the back to the opponent goal. Now you just move the right stick (don't press) down (hold it) and in the same time you move the left stick up (hold it). In this case your player will move the ball quickly from his right foot to the left food and he will move up on the pitch with an nice weight-shifting.

Moving the right stick into one direction and the left stick into the opposite direction will always move the ball between the feeds of your player and will always give you a nice weight-shifting. Pressing the right button and hold it pressed will always flick the ball into the air and then you can move on with the left stick. But you have to move the left stick into a direction before your player receive the ball.

Both ways are very helpful to generate space. Try it you will see it works out great. And it has nothing to do with the trick-stick-action you can do if you press r2 and move the right stick. That is another story.
 
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radha1 said:
I would agree about Passing Assistance. Though I generally prefer to play PES iterations on Unassisted Passing, this version feels too manual. When one CB finds it hard to pass to the other CB I sort of feel like I am wearing mittens or something. And I would agree that I can make the same terrible or lovely pass from midfield to the wing with Pirlo or Phil Jones, on Unassisted.

I'm playing 1-bar, 10 minute matches on Professional in ML as Utrecht. I've had the chance to move to finer clubs, and I thought for sure that I would, but I've grown such a liking and admiration for my young team that I keep saying "one more year". Just this third year my player choices are having tactical meaning in games, especially during substitutions and on defense.

Perhaps I've scored a dozen long rangers. But I think all of them involved either deception or surprise. If the keeper has reasonable sight of the shot-taking, it's very hard to score. The ones I've scored have been first time or against the grain or with a defender blocking sight for the keeper. That's my feeling anyway.

The gameplay is only getting better in this third year and certainly, the heart is pronounced and my keepers are lights out. Opposing keepers not quite so much, with some juvenile animations. No loan offers; not a sin gle full-game injury, just a couple of in-game, temporary injuries. No penalties, no handball.

Once I get my hands on a BLUS OF for PS3, I think I will play this game all year. Switching clubs after 6-7 years is going to be great. I can see myself coming back to check in on the boys at Utrecht after I leave next year, for example.
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Please, do yourself a huge favour and change from 10 minute games to 15 minutes. The balance of play is far more realistic and suited. If you only ever believe one thing I say, then let this be it. ;)
 
I'm not sure whether to stick with zero assistance or go to one bar. The game seems to come alive on zero, both sides seem to make more mistakes and the COM seems to knock it about a lot better. I may be thinking something that's not there but it seems that way. The pace is slower. Put it onto one bar and both teams feel laser guided. Zero assistance was perfect last year but now I feel they've made one bar too assisted and zero is fully manual.

As for the right stick I'm really not getting it. Yes, all sorts of flicks, holding in conjunction with left stick and/or R2 does a ton of stuff, but they just feel like skill moves. Some of the lend the idea of throwing body weight one way and moving the other,but most just feel like generic skill moves. I really like one that I found, however, which is to hold right stick in the direction you're facing then flick the left direction stick away from the direction you're travelling. This makes your player do a back heel turn.

But still, it doesn't really feel like proper control of body weight as such. Best use of the right stick for me is to shoulder barge and hold off fenders when you have the ball. Now they are two brilliant additions.
 
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Suuuuupertalk said:
I'm not sure whether to stick with zero assistance or go to one bar. The game seems to come alive on zero, both sides seem to make more mistakes and the COM seems to knock it about a lot better. I may be thinking something that's not there but it seems that way. The pace is slower. Put it onto one bar and both teams feel laser guided. Zero assistance was perfect last year but now I feel they've made one bar too assisted and zero is fully manual.

As for the right stick I'm really not getting it. Yes, all sorts of flicks, holding in conjunction with left stick and/or R2 does a ton of stuff, but they just feel like skill moves. Some of the lend the idea of throwing body weight one way and moving the other,but most just feel like generic skill moves. I really like one that I found, however, which is to hold right stick in the direction you're facing then flick the left direction stick away from the direction you're travelling. This makes your player do a back heel turn.

But still, it doesn't really feel like proper control of body weight as such. Best use of the right stick for me is to shoulder barge and hold off fenders when you have the ball. Now they are two brilliant additions.
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Do you have auto-feint ON or OFF?
 
Houldey said:
Umm, well someone has definitely mentioned L2 as offering the closer controlled dribble. I will try and find the quote. I haven't played the last few Pro Evos, but I believe that the R2 of the last few years (whatever that was) is dead, with the right analogue stick alone replacing it to some degree.

This year, R2 just allows you to roll your foot over the ball, which is a bit lame for any more than a few steps - you look like a crab.

From another thread (the one about WE9 vs PES2014):



So, henrys hand, what's the story? :)
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Well I am certainly not joking. L2 the same button as for manual passing allows for closer keeping of the ball. It is imho great for changing direction and dribbling and prefer it to the use of R2 that causes this additional rolling the foot around the ball move.
 
For those interested and asking, The Winning Eleven Japanese version last year had English commentary and English text.

I am not sure if they will have it for this year, but could be possible.
 
Has anyone noticed the affect of heart on players changing during a match or after a heavy defeat?

I was flying in the league as Lyon and then played Chelsea away in the champions league and lost 2-0 and then I was taken apart at home by Monaco and Falcao at home 4-0. It took a while before my team was able to playing the same as they had before. Also in one game I was 4-1 up and then the opposition hit two to come back to 4-3 and by the end of the game my players had become far less responsive and I had to smash long balls up field for the last ten minutes to stop them scoring again as my defenders struggled to even pass and control passes before being robbed of the ball.

I have also noticed that even when a players stamina bar is full after internationals their place slower. I really struggle if I have a game, then a champions league game followed by an international as I am yet to build a squad that has depth. I also have a forward who as the highest heart levels of my team and even when he is on a purple down arrow I have to play him or it seems to affect the entire side.
 
I really could do with a PS3 OF with all the EPL and Championship kits done, so i can get stuck into a ML campaign. I was hoping the WENB OF would have been upgraded by now, but no such luck... I should probably do some research and find a good one in the meantime.

Until then, I'm making do with the other modes. Anybody playing much MLO? The online experience is definitely getting better, though even when it's quite smooth it has a tendency to occasionally play like it's on -2 or -3 game speed. At least I'm not having nearly as many problems with pressing pass counting double, and the man who is clean through on goal hitting a completely unexpected pass straight to the keeper / into empty space instead. That was completely killing the experience for me.

As for MLO itself, I'm really pleased with how long it takes to get enough 'money' together to sign anybody of note. There are one or two bargains that everybody seems to know about now (Cesar Peixoto), but my most expensive player at the moment is Craig Gardner. I might need to open myself up to playing people with better squads so I get much higher multipliers for wins, rather than keep picking off similar/lesser squads for chickenfeed.
 
Han said:
A guy from a Dutch forum discovered something and I did not read it here ( overlooked? ) so here it is.

It's about the PS3:

Guys, I think I've found the issue that causes the framedrops on the PS3. The licenced shirts. It seems they're somehow not compressed. I've tested this by playing several matches with and without licenced teams in the same stadium under the same circumstances. BIG DIFFERENCE! The graphics are also sharper when playing with unlicenced teams.

Much smoother when playing with unlicenced teams. Please test for yourself! I hope others witness the same difference.
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I see almost no reactions on this post. Maybe it is overlooked because of the other discussion about the controlls.
I still wonder if this above is also the case for other PS3 owners...
 
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I played one season in ML with Arsenal, won the treble, God knows why I decided to go to Madrid, since then, the game has been completely slow. not slow as in slow pace, but everything runs really in slow motion compared to the way it was running at Arsenal, I went on and changed the speed to +1 with no effect, + 2 with no effect but when I play with this same speed on Exhibition matches, the game is completely fast.

I also found out that the slow feeling when inside the box is not noticeable or even there when playing Human vs Human offline, everything just flows nicely so my only feeling is to blame the poor AI messing around with the gameplay.

No matter how glitchy this game is, I just can't stop playing it. There is always that feeling that the next match will be better.
 
Qmatteuws said:
I played one season in ML with Arsenal, won the treble, God knows why I decided to go to Madrid, since then, the game has been completely slow. not slow as in slow pace, but everything runs really in slow motion compared to the way it was running at Arsenal, I went on and changed the speed to +1 with no effect, + 2 with no effect but when I play with this same speed on Exhibition matches, the game is completely fast.

I also found out that the slow feeling when inside the box is not noticeable or even there when playing Human vs Human offline, everything just flows nicely so my only feeling is to blame the poor AI messing around with the gameplay.

No matter how glitchy this game is, I just can't stop playing it. There is always that feeling that the next match will be better.
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I would also make a backup before moving club incase you don't like the new club.

As for the speed of the game it could be down to the player heart levels and after half a season they will start to play better. I found that in mine and have seen a few people saying all of a sudden response improved.

One thing you could try is to change the default stadium for madrid to the one you had at asrenal
 
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