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Biggest gripe for me so far...CORNERS

They have to be broken? I mean both me and the cpu cant win a powerful header! Either my man or his man does a really weak ass header that plops down for either someone to clear or the opposition to shoot. And thats on nearly every corner.
 
Its why Arsenal were happy to let him go. Was great for a while, worthy successor to Cashley, then regressed into being error prone and lacking concentration. He's been like that for a while. So if it happens in PES, its realistic for him
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Ha ha, well said :)
 
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gerd said:
Am i to conclude from your point of view that in order to be realistic, there should be no goals, no shots on goals and no fouls (that one is correct) in a 10 minute impression from a 90 minute game ? I know that is is total bullshit, but i'm aplying the same logic you do.

And frankly, i find it very hard to believe that you won 8-0 because of bad GK.

If i read those kind of posts i'm very glad i'm not the best player...i still enjoy my games.

There is some sort of machismo in this thread: no matter how hard, the game is too easy.

I have one advice if it's not hard enough: play it with the television off, very, very hard...and another advantage: you can't see how crap the GK's are...

I'm sorry to react to your post like this, but i don't buy your arguments most of the time. You seems to over-analyse the game...it's too good to be true for me. Why don't you just sell it if it is that bad ? Why do you still bother.

To be honest: i enjoy both games...although they both have their flaws and the moment these flaws are too much for me...i'll do something other, like read a good book (books are fun too, you know)...in that case i would post once or twice in this thread and that would be it. Are you aspiring to become a game journalist or a game developer ?
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You asked valid question I will answer: why do I still play the game?

I answered this in PC thread, I will do it here just copy-pasting:

Messi FEELS like Messi, CR7 FEELS like CR7, Pirlo and Xavi FEEL like Pirlo and Xavi.

I don't see why people are moaning about things they are not apt to adapt to :/.

They feel incredible in control. Then take Carrick and Fellaini and you see MASSIVE difference (at least I do).

There is more to player variety than animation they use.

you feel Ronaldo is not Ronaldo because game catches up to you fast? Have you tried pulling skill moves with auto-feint off? Ronaldo is able to do ALL sick moves, which Alexis/Pedro from Barcelona CAN'T pull off (because, they never did it in real life).

This is the problem with mentality. I knew we might get unfinished game due to pushing of release date (late October/early November -> to mid of September).

Also knew that even when there are niggles here and there, KONAMI, will DO all they can to FIX the issues. They did it before, they will do it again (must I remind you that until final patch for PES 2013, the game was unplayable for me).

I do feel 1.02. patch will bring HELL lot of improvements overall to what is good game (for me it is GOOD game which DEMANDS from player to BUILD up play and seek occasions to score). I have already lost games, drew games and won games I shouldn't have won (going 3-0 down at HT, turning it around to 3-5 win = most amazing feeling you can get from football game ).

When I lost, I never felt cheated. Never had AI scored from low cross into box (plague in PES 2013) or through miraculous run through the middle when you couldn't tackle them (again, sounds familiar?).

The AI has to play according to HOW you let them play. If you pressure them all over the place, they will play long ball forward. If you're unlucky in defending against that (Barcelona for example plays with high defensive line) and your defenders don't clear the ball with their head (if for example they face the like of Ibrahimovic), you're in trouble. I played vs PSG and Ibrahimovic and Mascherano is SHIT as central defender. A little bit too short to cover Ibra, Ibra knocked the ball down to wing, himself running to the box, cross, Ibra heads the ball in. 0-1 down. It was MY mistake that led to goal. Not AI cheating .

Similar situations are THERE to be found. Play like Norwich vs Arsenal and you might see Arsenal wiping your ass on possession, etc.

Word of advice, if you're willing to press abuse teams like Norwich, you'll definitely run out of steam near 70min mark. Stamina, tiredness do play massive role this year. Learned the hard way .

This game fundamentals are AMAZING. The execution is a problem at times.

KONAMI and PES Team definitely know what FOOTBALL is about, unlike EA Sports and FIFA who is going down arcade, end-to-end action game.

What it needs is polishing touch. Something I feel will come with 1.02. patch...

And yes, I am also very critical when PES 2014 needs it, however, some people are overreacting.
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And one more

To be completely fair, I didn't even play demo. Ordered it blindly.

After 2 weeks, I started to see dents in surface and regretted buying it without playing demo (I would know about responsiveness issues, optimization faults, etc.).

I wanted to give up on it, but thought: hell, I bought it, I will do all I can to help and improve it. So started to record bugs/glitches, player awareness issues, goalkeepers being bad in certain situations, overpowered chipped shots and GK not reacting to them AT ALL, advanced shooting "glued" to posts/bars, reported videos to Adam showing problems, etc.

Hopefully he will show them to KONAMI and PES Team.

However, even with those issues, I can't put my controller down. I keep playing it, it has that one more game feeling I missed for so long in PES.

Sure, it isn't perfection in every way, but my God, this plays so nice and gives you so much control at your fingertips, it's a sin not to give this game so much chance (and jenkey tool did fix some problems in my case).

Off to play some more.
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It's addictive despite all flaws it possesses. Can't say I enjoyed ANY game like that before. That is huge plus before patching the game up. I stayed with it and I try to see positives too. Don't worry. I am not blindfolded :LOL:.

I also do know when GK made realistic looking mistake and when it's game fault, because wrong animation set was used in given situation.

This is my main concern. GK reaction times are pretty good already, but what they do at certain times makes you scratch your head in disbelief.

I am still playing it in Competition games (the best mode thus far for me - despite lack of stadiums).

As for second part, about game journalist, did reviews when I was 10 years younger and don't even want to go that way again.

Game developer? No. Would love to get on beta testing part if anything... (any game company would do :D).

Sorry for long post, but I feel people take me as bad guy here...
 
I'm too busy enjoying the game for what it is: flawed brilliance.

Some of these comments go a little over the top in my opinion. This is the best PES we've had in years. The first installment on a new engine was never going to be a smooth transition, but there is so much to like in PES2014 that I simply can't play any PES before it, nor FIFA.

You know me, I'm far from a Konami apologist, but they are really onto the beginnings of something special. Just can't be bothered reading all the moaning when I'm enjoying the game so much.
 
I find the way that this game plays to be something of a mystery to me on my PS3.

The first evening that I owned the game (release day) I installed the 1.1 patch (but not the data pack) and played a couple of exhibition games before embarking on a Champions League campaign(Professional, 1 bar passing. basic shooting and through ball). I played the opening 3 group games and the players felt 'heavy' and the pace was perfect - I really had to knock the ball around and construct moves from back to front. I absolutely loved it - it was the best night of playing PES in my life and I went to be bed that night itching to play again the next day.

The following day I installed the data pack and then continued with my Champions League group matches but the game seemed to have changed - the players were so much faster and the matches became end to end. Sometimes strange things occurred. For example if the ball went out of play then one of my players would go to fetch the ball to take a quick throw but other players would run at a ridiculous speed in an aimless direction. Also during the match certain non-controlled players would run at such pace that the animation looked like I was watching a game with my finger on fast-forward. It looked totally unrealistic.

Since then I have uninstalled the data pack, reinstalled it, installed the game to the hard drive, uninstalled it from the hard drive etc etc but the game is now just a complete lottery on what type of gameplay you get. I have not experienced that first night gameplay again. The whole 'weight' of the players seems like a distant memory and the whole game just seems to have screwed up with super speedy animations kicking in at random times.

I have tried to use the same teams, same stadium, same time of day etc but I just can't get the game back to how it was that first night.

I notice across the web that people seem to love the game on XBox but I just wonder how many are enjoying it on PS3? Is the PS3 version buggier in some way that could be causing these random events. I am totally baffled how a game that I loved so much has managed to turn into a game that I am now beginning to dislike.
 
For some odd reason, my players do not run into space when I press L1. Can anybody help me out?
 
baggiebuckster said:
I find the way that this game plays to be something of a mystery to me on my PS3.

The first evening that I owned the game (release day) I installed the 1.1 patch (but not the data pack) and played a couple of exhibition games before embarking on a Champions League campaign(Professional, 1 bar passing. basic shooting and through ball). I played the opening 3 group games and the players felt 'heavy' and the pace was perfect - I really had to knock the ball around and construct moves from back to front. I absolutely loved it - it was the best night of playing PES in my life and I went to be bed that night itching to play again the next day.

The following day I installed the data pack and then continued with my Champions League group matches but the game seemed to have changed - the players were so much faster and the matches became end to end. Sometimes strange things occurred. For example if the ball went out of play then one of my players would go to fetch the ball to take a quick throw but other players would run at a ridiculous speed in an aimless direction. Also during the match certain non-controlled players would run at such pace that the animation looked like I was watching a game with my finger on fast-forward. It looked totally unrealistic.

Since then I have uninstalled the data pack, reinstalled it, installed the game to the hard drive, uninstalled it from the hard drive etc etc but the game is now just a complete lottery on what type of gameplay you get. I have not experienced that first night gameplay again. The whole 'weight' of the players seems like a distant memory and the whole game just seems to have screwed up with super speedy animations kicking in at random times.

I have tried to use the same teams, same stadium, same time of day etc but I just can't get the game back to how it was that first night.

I notice across the web that people seem to love the game on XBox but I just wonder how many are enjoying it on PS3? Is the PS3 version buggier in some way that could be causing these random events. I am totally baffled how a game that I loved so much has managed to turn into a game that I am now beginning to dislike.
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I'm in a hurry at the moment so I don't have the time to go into details, but I am enjoying the game on PS3. The matches resemble and flow like football, multiple players don't go around dashing about or anything. Too bad to hear about your situation :\
 
Thanks for the elaborate answer info0.
Youi are not a bad guy. I never thought that, but i must admit that i saw you for one of those moaners albeit one with arguments. I see you have valid arguments. I was wrong about you. I'm sorry.
 
Suarez75 said:
Biggest gripe for me so far...CORNERS

They have to be broken? I mean both me and the cpu cant win a powerful header! Either my man or his man does a really weak ass header that plops down for either someone to clear or the opposition to shoot. And thats on nearly every corner.
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To be fair, most corners end up with a clearance, or over-hit, or a way off target header due to defending. This is all you'll EVER get in PES unless you try to break free of a marker.

I tend to mix it up. If I had a big defender on good heart and up against a less player, I'll mainly just swing crosses in his general direction and control him while the ball's in the air and they are more likely to have gotten in a good position before I've even taken control. Once you've lost your marker, or at least gained some space, you can get a run (or at least a forward jump) for your header and it has plenty of power.

If you are not in a favourable position, (far out-powered in the air), I'll switch to controlling ONE receiver and either move him short (for a ball to feet or a flick on) or I'll start trying to lose the marker myself and cross when I think I'm about to lose them. I probably score 1 in 10 goals from corners; I don't know the average (in the Premier League for example) but this feels 'right' to me.
 
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To be fair, most corners end up with a clearance, or over-hit, or a way off target header due to defending. This is all you'll EVER get in PES unless you try to break free of a marker.

I tend to mix it up. If I had a big defender on good heart and up against a less player, I'll mainly just swing crosses in his general direction and control him while the ball's in the air and they are more likely to have gotten in a good position before I've even taken control. Once you've lost your marker, or at least gained some space, you can get a run (or at least a forward jump) for your header and it has plenty of power.

If you are not in a favourable position, (far out-powered in the air), I'll switch to controlling ONE receiver and either move him short (for a ball to feet or a flick on) or I'll start trying to lose the marker myself and cross when I think I'm about to lose them. I probably score 1 in 10 goals from corners; I don't know the average (in the Premier League for example) but this feels 'right' to me.
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Also it's important to check your formation screen and you kick taker settings and select your center backs to go up for free kicks and corners, So you can alternate from swinging the ball in manually or Pressing L1 and right stick and directing the corner to go directly to your center back.

What is good about 2014 is with timing your run when you select the player to cross to, you can shake your marker of which was almost impossible on 2013, the defender was just glued to you, didn't stop me scoring though. The ratio is goood, i think it also depends how much you work on them, if you have the right players to power home in the air with a good Jumping attribute and strength is key, even moreso that the header ability.

Noticed on PES Busquets on PES 20102/13 and 14 usually scores from a corner for Barca, the AI or me, just never mark him properly they seem to focus more on the center backs.
 
Jamezinho said:
I'm too busy enjoying the game for what it is: flawed brilliance.

Some of these comments go a little over the top in my opinion. This is the best PES we've had in years. The first installment on a new engine was never going to be a smooth transition, but there is so much to like in PES2014 that I simply can't play any PES before it, nor FIFA.

You know me, I'm far from a Konami apologist, but they are really onto the beginnings of something special. Just can't be bothered reading all the moaning when I'm enjoying the game so much.
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I feel this is the only place where you can discuss the game even the bad side of it with an ounce of positivity.

PESFAN is busy with online complaint, WENB just being it usual self. Only here people still discussing about the gameplay and technical aspect of the game.
 
klashman69 said:
Also it's important to check your formation screen and you kick taker settings and select your center backs to go up for free kicks and corners, So you can alternate from swinging the ball in manually or Pressing L1 and right stick and directing the corner to go directly to your center back.

What is good about 2014 is with timing your run when you select the player to cross to, you can shake your marker of which was almost impossible on 2013, the defender was just glued to you, didn't stop me scoring though. The ratio is goood, i think it also depends how much you work on them, if you have the right players to power home in the air with a good Jumping attribute and strength is key, even moreso that the header ability.

Noticed on PES Busquets on PES 20102/13 and 14 usually scores from a corner for Barca, the AI or me, just never mark him properly they seem to focus more on the center backs.
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I wish there was a way position someone ten yards outside the box. A lot of clearances go to the player closest to this position, which in 2014 is a opposition player
 
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Funniest thing. Ever.
 
abriroyesejuiii said:
bitch please
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In the right light and if I'd had enough to drink, I could see some Riquelme in there. All the scotch in the world wouldn't convince me that was Toure.



I'm coming to grips with defending a bit better now, by completely ignoring the mechanics that Konami has built into the game. Hold X to pressure you say? Bollocks. I'll just hold R2 and manually do it. Double tap X to tackle? Hell no, I'll barge into them with super-cancel. In this regard PES 2013 handled it a bit better.

I'm left wondering why they've stuck to this asinine method of defending. It seems the defending side of the game would be a hell of a lot better if they removed pressure and changed the way tackling worked. Indulge me if you will.

Why not have a single press of X be a conservative (for the ball) tackle, low risk but easily avoidable by dribbling. Double pressing X would be a lunging tackle, high risk but harder to avoid. Contain would continue to be R2, teammate pressure on L2. Just doing this would simplify the control scheme and make defending more rewarding. In order to prevent poor defenders from being as good as world class ones, simply link the accuracy of the tackle to the defender's skill level, i.e when you tackle with a poor defender you're more likely to clip the man, whereas world class defenders automatically aim for the ball.

Of course for all this to work, referees will have to be fixed, because as of now there is literally no risk vs reward. I just don't think they touched referees since last year because they don't seem to recognize the Havoc driven collisions, only the canned ones.
 
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I'm too busy enjoying the game for what it is: flawed brilliance.

Some of these comments go a little over the top in my opinion. This is the best PES we've had in years. The first installment on a new engine was never going to be a smooth transition, but there is so much to like in PES2014 that I simply can't play any PES before it, nor FIFA.

You know me, I'm far from a Konami apologist, but they are really onto the beginnings of something special. Just can't be bothered reading all the moaning when I'm enjoying the game so much.
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I've been trying to play it for what it is, and trying to get along with the problems, and I agree that when in the middle of the park the game is fantastic fun - but it all comes crashing down when the keepers ruin the game. Fair play if it doesn't bother people, but it ruins the game for me. I've lost count of so many instances where my keeper runs past the ball, doesn't react and lets it bounce into the net when it's right next to him, actively dives out of the way of the ball and, most commonly, palms shots at his near post into his own net. Over and over. The fact that the rest of the game is so great makes it worse in many respects.

I've only had the game for a few weeks and the number of keeper howlers I've seen just isn't good enough. You can have the best, most realistic football game ever created, but if your keeper frequently dives out of the way of the ball then it renders the rest of the game a moot point.

It's fundamental for a football game to have keepers who's AI doesn't behave erratically on a regular basis. How it's managed to get worse compared to last year's game I don't know, I seem to have been one of the few who didn't really mind keepers in the past. What I didn't expect was for them to be such an issue on a new engine, especially after all the criticism they've had in the past.
 
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Actually a great example is a goal I conceded yesterday. The COM striker ran onto a pass and drilled the ball low and into the net. It looked to go straight down the middle of the goal, where my keeper was, so I looked at the replay.

What happened was that as the striker latched onto the ball, my keeper decided to start running to the right of the goal. Why, I don't know, it would reveal a completely open goal. The striker then hit the shot low and straight at my keeper down the centre of the goal, but because he'd started running off to the side, he then tried to react late to the shot and change direction. This meant he slowed down but couldn't turn in time, and the shot went past his trailing leg in the middle of the goal. Awful.
 
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Suuuuupertalk said:
Actually a great example is a goal I conceded yesterday. The COM striker ran onto a pass and drilled the ball low and into the net. It looked to go straight down the middle of the goal, where my keeper was, so I looked at the replay.

What happened was that as the striker latched onto the ball, my keeper decided to start running to the right of the goal. Why, I don't know, it would reveal a completely open goal. The striker then hit the shot low and straight at my keeper down the centre of the goal, but because he'd started running off to the side, he then tried to react late to the shot and change direction. This meant he slowed down but couldn't turn in time, and the shot went past his trailing leg in the middle of the goal. Awful.
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Sounds like my sons Keeper on his u10 team last weekend.
 
Keepers stop nearly all the shots they should and scorelines are in proportion with the real world. I've seen them make incredible saves and I've seen them make mistakes, just like real football. What's slightly frustrating is their lack of response when activated by the user. Hopefully Konami will improve that. Otherwise, keepers are fine.
 
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Suarez75 said:
Biggest gripe for me so far...CORNERS

They have to be broken? I mean both me and the cpu cant win a powerful header! Either my man or his man does a really weak ass header that plops down for either someone to clear or the opposition to shoot. And thats on nearly every corner.
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Disagree. Today i scored a bullet header into the ground off a corner to the near post. It all depends on your positioning and timing. Like real football! Brilliant...
 
Ipswich69 said:
Keepers stop nearly all the shots they should and scorelines are in proportion with the real world. I've seen them make incredible saves and I've seen them make mistakes, just like real football. What's slightly frustrating is their lack of response when activated by the user. Hopefully Konami will improve that. Otherwise, keepers are fine.
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I don't think they are fine, but apart from a couple of bugs they are better than people are seeing. The problem is that they seem to be letting in the right sort of goals in most situations, but some of the animations used just make it look like they are being stupid.

We rarely see one-on-ones in a real game of football, but I'd say a large portion are scored these days, unless the striker over-runs the ball. At the moment, with poor defending or with an over-aggressive defence, or just high pressure on defenders, games will have a high number of one-on-ones for a lot of people (I play a slower possession game so only really see them when a mistake is made). The reality, as I see it, is that if you have a striker in the box and he can see a large portion of the goal, he should nearly always score it. However, a fair number of videos show the striker thumping it from close range and it looks like (in slow motion) that the keeper dived out of the way and so forth. Realistically, even if the keeper is world class, only pure luck and superb reflexes will stop these (and I've seen my MLO default keeper make a triple save online like this with big heart and red arrow!) otherwise, they would make themselves big and it gets through the gaps.

At the moment, in this situation, keepers seem to have some strange animations which actually get quite close to the ball, but in slow-mo looks like they dived out of the way, or plain made the wrong choice. If the reactions of keepers in these situations looked a little more natural and the number of one-on-ones people suffered/gave away was reduced, I think there would be far fewer complaint on the keepers.
 
Chimps-with-quiffs said:
I wish there was a way position someone ten yards outside the box. A lot of clearances go to the player closest to this position, which in 2014 is a opposition player
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Tactical free kicks is something PES will need to look at maybe in 2015, possibly 2016 if the gameplay is bug free and fluid. For 2015 you know I don't want Konami to change anything or add anything to the gameplay I want them to focus on things like Rain, snow, affects to the turf, injuries, stamina, player emotions and most importantly we need crowd support selector back so not every single game is at full capacity almost :RANT:.

Just add some more depth to the animations, add an option to do a rabonas they are quite common these days especially. Konami need to sit on this formula for another year and bring it to the PS4 with better visuals and dynamic weather and day and night conditions, heat, humidity conditions. Keep improving this game you have here with patches and next year add around it with weather conditions and proper injuries so players almost have a body health bar showing how each injury the suffer and fatigue affects them. Add player emotions so in master league and in cup competitions it's about getting players in who get along, I'd like to see a game where Mario Balotelli gets sent off for kicking out at an opposition center back who has wound him up all game long.

I just saw the Gulf region PES 2014 advert. it hits me, Konami have made a good move to include the Asian champions league and get into bed with the Gulf region. You never know a billionaire playboy may like playing this game and help invest some financial muscle so EA can't just bully Konami easily out of licences. In reality we all want an end to all this exclusive licence crap. If EA don't back down Konami need to start fighting Fire with Fire.
 
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