PES 2014 Discussion Thread
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shorty alien
League 1
But to me it sounds like hyperbole to a player who enjoyed PES 2013 and previous.
Of course PES 2014 is the best version, imo the game has improved every year, but if its down to the specifics I think you're overblowing things. You're talking about passing, movement and build up play as if you've never seen them in a PES game before. The refinement and improvement is there in 2014 to see but the way you've worded your comments suggest there is some new style of stratospheric football that has never been replicated before in a football videogame.
PES 2012 back in 2011 introduced expanded movement in terms of teamate AI and free passing (zero assistance) that mixed 360 degree freedom with noticeable stat application. I think those were massive changes for the series and football games in general which hadn't seen them before, and that was again back in 2011. But you seem to think PES 2014 is doing something wildly different with the passing and movement that has never been done before? Sorry I don't agree.
In terms of receiving the ball, look at the PES 2013 intro trailer, when Ronaldo is taking varied dynamic first touches under the PES Full Control bit; PES 2014 is a continuation and refinement of that idea, not a massive change.
I'll agree agree with you on the lifelike comment. The game does look the most lifelike football has ever been with the new engine and animation system; it now even looks more fluid than FIFA.
I think they're still working on True ball tech and we'll only see the true worth of it in the 2015 or 2016 version, because imo dribbling is good and bad. Improved movement physics as always every year but less freedom of contextual foot placement than in PES 2013.
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Ipswich69
Banned
- 25 July 2011
I imagine, like a a lot of FIFA fans, he's aware that on the pitch PES 2014 plays a much superior game of football, but can't break himself from the overall EA package, which includes the traditional EA trappings such as proficient online modes, large array of licenses, superior commentary, sexy menus, soundtrack etc...
Jamezinho
Golden Boot Winner
info0
Banned
Those are bugs whether you like it or not bro.
You have to realize GAME is not REAL LIFE, even if it tries to replicate it.
You have to realize games in PES take from 10 mins to roughly 60 minutes at most (I doubt anyone on here plays with 30 mins halves though).
It's not 90 minutes like in real life.
Most people play 10-30min per game. This means that KONAMI has to stuff 90min real life game in frame of 30 minutes.
Sorry to burst your bubble here man, but due to above, I scored 8 goals past Barcelona.
Even in shit form, Barcelona wouldn't EVER concede 8 goals.
It was all down to Valdes being dick wit in goal. Not Barca defense being poor or anything. You just learn HOW to exploit game engine.
I wouldn't mind having SUPERMAN in between post, if that saves replayability of the game. FIFA does keepers perfectly imo (they are also not glitch free, mind you, but way more solid).
Whole PES game plays almost spotless, until you get to shooting range... And then see GK being dumbass. Sorry, but can;t take this.
Can't also take real life GK (Hart) as excuse. Games are bound to be hard to beat (at least I was born in that era that games WERE HARD to beat).
Now it's just glitch on glitch galore...
Just stating my approach to games on the whole... Not saying your POV is bad klashman.
shorty alien
League 1
Its why Arsenal were happy to let him go. Was great for a while, worthy successor to Cashley, then regressed into being error prone and lacking concentration. He's been like that for a while. So if it happens in PES, its realistic for him
This is the main problem! That animation! 9 out of 10 soft goals are due to that fucking animation. Its been in PES for a few years now.
Ah, come on, mate. The goalkeepers in PES 2014 are shit, there is simply no way to defend them. The amount of howlers they do, and how they usually perform them, are just unacceptable for a football game in the year 2013. Of course the game would only be realistic if some keepers were more prone to howlers than others, but I'd at least expect the howlers to look realistic, not like the goalie is trying to perform some cirkus trick with the ball and not being able to catch it.
YouTube - PES 2014 Goalkeeping
That's on "top player", by the way. Just looks very daft. Should be top one priority for the development team to fix, in my opinion, as they are making the game incredibly annoying to play far too often.
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info0
Banned
Here is another one for klashman69 then...
For me Goalkeepers are retarded in this game, end of.
Care to differ all you like, but I have my right to post this as VALID feedback to Adam. Goalkeepers need fixing and player awareness on the whole too.
YouTube - Pro Evolution Soccer 2014 - GK Blooper, yet again!
KONAMI. Please work your magic on this
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To guy above about adding people to wall, they have removed this feature. I wish I could at least move my wall back/forward and sideways. Yup, rob this feature from FIFA please!
For me Goalkeepers are retarded in this game, end of.
Care to differ all you like, but I have my right to post this as VALID feedback to Adam. Goalkeepers need fixing and player awareness on the whole too.
YouTube - Pro Evolution Soccer 2014 - GK Blooper, yet again!
KONAMI. Please work your magic on this
.To guy above about adding people to wall, they have removed this feature. I wish I could at least move my wall back/forward and sideways. Yup, rob this feature from FIFA please!
klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
Well I scored 3 against them after about 30 minutes testing them out after that picture you uploaded but didn't finish the game, I knew their tactic didn't suit them and allowed Barcelona essentially to be a sitting duck waiting to be demolished.
I actually think the more improtant point here is if Valdes saved those shots, you still having too much joy and possession against them in the first place allowing you space to take the shots. Barca allowing you such freedom is a much bigger issue.
I wouldn't mind having SUPERMAN in between post, if that saves replayability of the game. FIFA does keepers perfectly imo (they are also not glitch free, mind you, but way more solid).
Whole PES game plays almost spotless, until you get to shooting range... And then see GK being dumbass. Sorry, but can;t take this.
Can't also take real life GK (Hart) as excuse. Games are bound to be hard to beat (at least I was born in that era that games WERE HARD to beat).
Now it's just glitch on glitch galore...
Just stating my approach to games on the whole... Not saying your POV is bad klashman.
Here are two key points:
If the keeper is superman like fifa it takes away from the realism, that game is programmed so you score from certain positions. I don't want in PES to look for sweetspots, I want to get in good positions and depending on the situation try my luck or look to create a more clear opening.
Second point, whats the point of buying Casillas, Neuer, Buffon, or another top quality keeper if the are all superman. Whats the point of even having an average keeper? I might as well just stick anyone in goal if this is the case. It cuts out another portion of Master League.
This is why I'm sticking to my point, I want stats to matter. I think it will take away some of the fun factor also. Keepers are very hard and tricky to program right when it comes to a realistic balance, they first need to be mapped properly to respond to every kind of shit, cross or goal bound situation, then mapped to respond in a balanced way. The game not being quite finished it's obvious to see why they have errors which are unacceptable, that's not my point here, my point is if a keeper is or crap form and poor heart, I don't want a superman there. If he is on top form and great heart, fine, but stats should matter.
klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
Here is another one for klashman69 then...
For me Goalkeepers are retarded in this game, end of.
Care to differ all you like, but I have my right to post this as VALID feedback to Adam. Goalkeepers need fixing and player awareness on the whole too.
YouTube - Pro Evolution Soccer 2014 - GK Blooper, yet again!
KONAMI. Please work your magic on this
To guy above about adding people to wall, they have removed this feature. I wish I could at least move my wall back/forward and sideways. Yup, rob this feature from FIFA please!
See now in that instance I 100% agree that is a bug and unacceptable. I disagree about the other two soft goals.
That is not what I'm saying, I said I don't want them to be superman and I don't want to see a game where soft goals don't happen.
The number 1 priority is to get them in a fixed working consistent state so they don't have bugs, if that means one or two areas they become a little bit superman, I'll take it but I don't want Konami to get confused and take the easy, cheap route and make them superman.
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info0
Banned
Because Buffon, Casillas, Boruc (when in Celtic and now in Sotton), Diego Lopez (currently!), Ruddy (another one!), Courtois (best BBVA keeper for 2 seasons running I believe), Neuer are TOP of the CROP keepers.
They don't make such soft ball mistakes. Seriously, take a look at their performances throughout the season.
Those soft goals I posted are conceded in 9 out of 10 games disregarding the keeper in goal. You can repeat 10 games vs Bayern for example and you will score such goal vs Bayern no doubt.
This is unacceptable for me. Those are World Class keepers FFS, not Joe Hart or Robert Green -.-
I don't want to see keepers conceding such goals, even in game. FIFA has got soft spots true, but they have also got the most realistic keeper behaviors. The problem is, they lack FORM factor. One off game wouldn't hurt them.
They don't make such soft ball mistakes. Seriously, take a look at their performances throughout the season.
Those soft goals I posted are conceded in 9 out of 10 games disregarding the keeper in goal. You can repeat 10 games vs Bayern for example and you will score such goal vs Bayern no doubt.
This is unacceptable for me. Those are World Class keepers FFS, not Joe Hart or Robert Green -.-
I don't want to see keepers conceding such goals, even in game. FIFA has got soft spots true, but they have also got the most realistic keeper behaviors. The problem is, they lack FORM factor. One off game wouldn't hurt them
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Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
I had the Milan keeper on decent heart and a green arrow let in a goal where a shot went straight down the middle of he goal, low down, and my keeper dived out of the way of the ball.
Keepers in PES are generally awful. Much worse than previous games. Yes real keepers do have howlers but I'm seeing them every three or four matches I ever play.
Not good enough. I might have to wait until November before resuming the game, it's got that bad.
Keepers in PES are generally awful. Much worse than previous games. Yes real keepers do have howlers but I'm seeing them every three or four matches I ever play.
Not good enough. I might have to wait until November before resuming the game, it's got that bad.
klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
John Ruddy is not a top keeper.
And you really think theyll fix the issues in November? High hopes indeed!
If anyone is in contact with the powers above:
About 3/4 through the second year of ML as Utrecht and no one has come with a single loan offer. I've listed about 4-5 players before each transfer window and not had a single loan offer. No loan offers whatsoever.
I've not had a single injury or penalty, but I think that is already confirmed.
Aside from that, it's a very good, if sparse, ML. I confirm with Klashman--second half of the season, this time above mid-table, and my players are full of heart. Everyone comes for the ball, everyone wants to make a run, and my defensive cover is great. My keepers are lights out. Hard for me to believe, but I'm in the semi-final of the league cup and should make the Europa league comfortably.
Two interesting tactical variations now at my disposal. When the stars align and I can get my keeper with the "low punt trajectory" skill on the field at the same time as my tall, physical CF, I soak up pressure and go Route One. I'd say 3-4 goals directly this season and 4-5 goals indirectly by winning territory and space. Also, I picked up a "defensive-minded fullback" in the last window; now when I play a 442 with a RMF and LMF and I can get that fullback in the lineup I switch the MF on his side to a Winger. It's working wonderfully; the fullback won't overlap and just shuts down his side and the Winger won't track back much and instead links with the two other forwards. Occasionally, the Winger will drift inside to start the play at midfield or take up a post position if I switch play to the other side. It's great when I need to pick up a goal.
--good day!
About 3/4 through the second year of ML as Utrecht and no one has come with a single loan offer. I've listed about 4-5 players before each transfer window and not had a single loan offer. No loan offers whatsoever.
I've not had a single injury or penalty, but I think that is already confirmed.
Aside from that, it's a very good, if sparse, ML. I confirm with Klashman--second half of the season, this time above mid-table, and my players are full of heart. Everyone comes for the ball, everyone wants to make a run, and my defensive cover is great. My keepers are lights out. Hard for me to believe, but I'm in the semi-final of the league cup and should make the Europa league comfortably.
Two interesting tactical variations now at my disposal. When the stars align and I can get my keeper with the "low punt trajectory" skill on the field at the same time as my tall, physical CF, I soak up pressure and go Route One. I'd say 3-4 goals directly this season and 4-5 goals indirectly by winning territory and space. Also, I picked up a "defensive-minded fullback" in the last window; now when I play a 442 with a RMF and LMF and I can get that fullback in the lineup I switch the MF on his side to a Winger. It's working wonderfully; the fullback won't overlap and just shuts down his side and the Winger won't track back much and instead links with the two other forwards. Occasionally, the Winger will drift inside to start the play at midfield or take up a post position if I switch play to the other side. It's great when I need to pick up a goal.
--good day!
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Especially when you keep hearing "and he accepts the chance, with some aplomb" after you score. Who says that after a goal. Champion is a soul collector. I lose 1 day of my life every time I hear him in PES.
Yeah, there is something eerie upon scoring a goal, the scoreline immediately pops up to block part of your view, the celebrations are a bit canned. I would admit, some of the goal scoring is a bit deflated. It's lacking a bit of PES magic in that regard.
But about the commentary from the previous post, I must say that I have never heard Champion say that! Probably because I've never had the commentary on in perhaps 5 years. Why kill yourself in that way?
BlueChampion
League 2
My Winning Eleven 2014 has been shipped and should reach me by Saturday evening. Can't wait. I'm planning to all the club name, kit designs (without logos), player name, transfers and game plan edits all by myself - on the Winning Eleven 2014 copy.
BlueChampion
League 2
Did you see the Robben goal in CL yesterday? Man City also seems to suffer from 'near post goalkeeper bug'.
gerd
Retired Footballer
Am i to conclude from your point of view that in order to be realistic, there should be no goals, no shots on goals and no fouls (that one is correct) in a 10 minute impression from a 90 minute game ? I know that is is total bullshit, but i'm aplying the same logic you do.
And frankly, i find it very hard to believe that you won 8-0 because of bad GK.
If i read those kind of posts i'm very glad i'm not the best player...i still enjoy my games.
There is some sort of machismo in this thread: no matter how hard, the game is too easy.
I have one advice if it's not hard enough: play it with the television off, very, very hard...and another advantage: you can't see how crap the GK's are...
I'm sorry to react to your post like this, but i don't buy your arguments most of the time. You seems to over-analyse the game...it's too good to be true for me. Why don't you just sell it if it is that bad ? Why do you still bother.
To be honest: i enjoy both games...although they both have their flaws and the moment these flaws are too much for me...i'll do something other, like read a good book (books are fun too, you know)...in that case i would post once or twice in this thread and that would be it. Are you aspiring to become a game journalist or a game developer ?
gerd
Retired Footballer
You should read some interviews with Courtois. He's permanently speaking about the mistakes he makes....i agree with you that he is a top class GK, but it's not that he never makes mistakes...just look how he injured his fingers against Real Madrid. That was a silly mistake.
losslesscompression
Championship
- 1 December 2010
To be fair info0 criticism is valid. GK still need consistency.
Beside he's not bashing the game blindly. He's not happy but still playing, acknowledge the good part and hoping PES Team will improve the game soon. Not cynical like some people tend to do.
Beside he's not bashing the game blindly. He's not happy but still playing, acknowledge the good part and hoping PES Team will improve the game soon. Not cynical like some people tend to do.
Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
Keeper mistakes are fine, just not at the frequency they occur. No keeper goes through a season conceding goals they should be saving on a regular basis. They'd be dropped and end up not being a footballer at all.
Just because someone sees, say, Joe Hart letting in a bit of a dodgy goal doesn't mean it's acceptable for PES to allow the same so frequently. I highly doubt Hart would remain the Man City keeper if he made a mistake every three or four matches.
Just because someone sees, say, Joe Hart letting in a bit of a dodgy goal doesn't mean it's acceptable for PES to allow the same so frequently. I highly doubt Hart would remain the Man City keeper if he made a mistake every three or four matches.
Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
And besides, it's so unbalanced. Keepers are near unbeatable from long range but get the ball in the penalty area and they turn to jelly. The worst offenders are keepers palming easy shots into the net they should easily be keeping out, and diving under or over a shot that goes straight at them. That ain't good enough.
I agree wholehearted with you there.
I re-read your first post, and I think I jumped the gun a little. I definitely think soft goals should be part of the game too, they just shouldn't occur as often as they do now, and as you point out yourself, as long as they look realistic, it will only add spice to the game. And supermen would be just as big a failure, I agree. Balancing on a knife's edge. - Status