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I started to use manual goalkeeper(L1+R3) when close to my goal and not single stupid goalkeeper error so far.
And it's great fun also.

Highly recommended to try this out. Looks like no need to wait for Konami to fix goalkeepers if using this.
 
Konami had at least 31 stadiums in mind, it's been found there are 31 slots ingame for them, plus two in the Bombanera and one from Saudi Arabia.

Must be the other generic stadiums and maybe Dragao, also i'd say about 5 stadiums from Spain.

That makes sense. I remember reading Adam tweet something about La Liga stadia was excluded last minute. I think they aimed to reproduced realistic match experience from broadcast perspective. Completely reworked every aspect from presentation to the sound department. Shame though about the unfortunate circumstances.

Not really important, tbh. If you want that stuff there's FIFA. It would be interesting to see how much better the day 1 game would be if they didn't bother with Master League, BAL, stadiums, faces etc.

You lost me. Your whole post sounds like sarcasm, bit bitter. Are you taking my post as a complaint?

I was merely complimenting Konami effort for aiming big. It ain't easy working with tight budget and time, and to expect everything to be perfectly done in day one.
 
Just watched a program called the blurb that reviews games and had fifa and pes on. Pes looks like it is from the next generation of hardware to fifa yet to tag the reviews you would think the opposite. It's infuriating to see other UK mainstream media up fifa's arse

That is what money pays for man.

It going to get to a stage where PES is so far ahead of FIFA in every single department it can compete in even when EA pay reviewers off they would have to admit it themselves.

Its EA's usual clever tactic but their lack of wisdom will leave them in a world of shit one day. You can't get way with doing this forever, sooner or later they will have to pull their finger out and genuine make a good game with proper gameplay.

Added videos to my post above.
 
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looks like people on xbox love the game and people on ps3 hate it. Is there anyone on ps3 without gameplay problems? I really don't want to buy xbox just to play pes 2014. I got used to ps controller over last "100years" and I don't want to switch. Besides I have ps3 as blu player in every room in the house where I have TV. I just want to buy the game already!
 
looks like people on xbox love the game and people on ps3 hate it. Is there anyone on ps3 without gameplay problems? I really don't want to buy xbox just to play pes 2014. I got used to ps controller over last "100years" and I don't want to switch. Besides I have ps3 as blu player in every room in the house where I have TV. I just want to buy the game already!

I have the digital copy on PS3 and it's like butter. In my opinion, best football game ever made, on the pitch. Buy it already and stop stressin';)
 
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Exactly right, it's as frustrating as fuck at first because PES or FIFA, we've only really ever played variants of arcade stimulants before. This game you have to think, no option but think, before you build up and attack, etc. play back passes and switch the play like never before. Draw in pressure, play short-short-long passes. It's a beautiful game. It has it's faults but the best footy game ever I think.

I think exactly the same... The only one who's complaining at home is my wife....LOL... I just can't stop playing this PES.... tons of fun!
 
Feel the love people.

Anyway had a wonderful session with Rennes yet again, will upload a brilliant solo goal from Danze my right back soon.

Just discovered that Heart plays a gigantic factor in the game. Gigantic. it's completely replaced Form arrows as the main factor. Heart seems to determine now for the most part responsiveness and mentality, the players aren't all faster or unrealistically superman but they keep going for longer, their heads stay up and they stay responsive all game if their heart is at the maximum.

Best example my last two games before I watched Arsenal smash Napoli live at the Emirates today! O ZILL!!!!! TO THE ARSENAL!!

enough of that.

Best example where my two victories away to Lorient and at home to fellow title rivals Marseille. My team all had heart at maximum due to my great run off form, haven't lost in i dunno about 10 games and riding high. I was having a very tight game away from home vs Lorient, no great chances for either team cancelling eachover out essentially, both teams having 4-2-3-1 with two sitting DM's, not mcuh space to play with or creativity from either side, then thanks to a small mistake Lorient then played some good stuff and managed to squeeze in a goal. Now from then, I didn't change anything, my attacks weren't great kept breaking down but I kept going forward and trying. Lorient changed formation, I wasan't sure what their new system was, it didn't suit them as much, I pounced, managed to start making more and more chances and eventually got a good equalizer.

It hit me, at the beginning of the season even when i beat lille 2-0 away from home my heart was hit and miss through the side, I had very few chances, hardly any possession and really struggled all game, was quite lucky Lille missed a few chances, most prominently in my mind was the losses to Toulouse and especially getting thumped and thoroughly outplayed by Saint Etienne 3-0. My heart was low, very low, i noticed when you heart is low, players seem to give up easier, they seem slower and less responsive. Keeper, this is a big one which I'll expand on, they don't seem to make crazy mistakes when their heart is high.

Lorient switched back to their default system but my momentum was set in, managed to score a last, last minute goal with the main man Ibarbo, L2 Manual shot smashed into the corner. Great feeling, again the mentality to come back and win was only possible with heart, to keep pressuring, looking to score.

Now the next game at home vs Maseille was a wonderful game, won 2-1, first goal was one of those realistic goals you like seeing in video games, took a hopefully shot from 25 yards, deflected and lopped over the keepers head, despite all the bugs with keepers, there was nothing Mandanda could do:

http://imageshack.us/clip/my-videos/534/ps8jgrwibdjblksiamyucz.mp4/

after this goal, going back to the heart, my team, the crowd just seemed inspired, despite Marseille being a much better, technical team and keep the ball better, we attacked with such force and vigor, scored a wonderful solo goal with Danze, my team felt invincible. thinking back to earlier in the season when my team didn't have so much heart it was fitting Danze my captain scored that goal, through he has shown the most bottle and has had the heart when nobody else looked interested.

YouTube - Rennes Master league Goal from Danze

Now finally with heart. Defensive AI, towards the end of my season teams in general have raised heart levels,t hey all defend better despite the player run bug, they keep a line well, the spot offside better and allow your DM's to tackle more by effectively holding up the attackers I'm seeing little to no silly goals when you just tackle the defender run in and score. keepers especially, not seeing any madness which I usually see in exhibition mode where heart is random. Mandanda made this absolutely outstanding save from a header, I will upload for you, this must be again a factor of heart.

YouTube - PES 2014 another great save by Steve Mandanda

I'm happy to say this game isn't just a rough diamond but no, it's not nearly as flawed as I first thought it was.

Very interesting post... I'll check on this heart thing...
 
I have the digital copy on PS3 and it's like butter. In my opinion, best football game ever made, on the pitch. Buy it already and stop stressin';)

Thanks, but I would prefer hard copies if I can. I like to hold the box under my pillow when I sleep so I can become better player next day ;).
If I install hard copy on PS3s hard drive will that be the same as digital copy from PSN? If download digital copy to one PS3 can I play on another Ps3 in a different room?

Thanks
 
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Delightful Route One goal earlier in ML. Managed to sign a keeper with "low-trajectory punt" and damn if it didn't come to pass in his second game of the new season. Long, low, line-drive punt to my SS who header flicked it to the already sprinting CF and bang a long shot top left corner from outside the box. First long shot goal in many games. I must have filled the bar past 3/4 full. Don't know if i pressed it in time, but i did press square at around contact to add knuckle shot. Tied the match with that, too.
 
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That is what money pays for man.

It going to get to a stage where PES is so far ahead of FIFA in every single department it can compete in even when EA pay reviewers off they would have to admit it themselves.

Its EA's usual clever tactic but their lack of wisdom will leave them in a world of shit one day. You can't get way with doing this forever, sooner or later they will have to pull their finger out and genuine make a good game with proper gameplay.

Added videos to my post above.

I think you are doing Fifa a massive dissservice there, and all the hardwork and effort thats gone into it. Fifa is a great game in its own right. I find with some custom tactics editing and sliders tweaked it plays and surpasses anything this pes has to offer and beats it hands down for variety in animation, shot types and collisions. You have to play on manual to appreciate it though.

With this Pes its a good base, and hopefully with the next patch it will prompt me to pick up again, i tried starting a league with Ajax and it all felt a little flat.

Klashman is that on PC you are playing? I noticed the ball you have is different?
 
I think you are doing Fifa a massive dissservice there, and all the hardwork and effort thats gone into it. Fifa is a great game in its own right. I find with some custom tactics editing and sliders tweaked it plays and surpasses anything this pes has to offer and beats it hands down for variety in animation, shot types and collisions. You have to play on manual to appreciate it though.

No, I played manual before. I know manual but after a while it becomes repetitive because it doesn't fix any of the core issues. Its terrible, that is not realistic football. That is one dimensional football:

YouTube - first time FIFA14 LIV-EVE (manual & legendary)

sent a pm also.

With this Pes its a good base, and hopefully with the next patch it will prompt me to pick up again, i tried starting a league with Ajax and it all felt a little flat.

Klashman is that on PC you are playing? I noticed the ball you have is different?

Takes time to get into the new PES, learn how to utilise the tactics system, get used to your players and look to investigate the stats, what each milestone means and how it affects your play.

Yes I play on pc, discussion are better in this thread.
 
Online has become much more stable recently. it's not perfect but it's completely playable. currently unbeaten in MLO but only played 8 games :JAY:
 
Feel the love people.

Anyway had a wonderful session with Rennes yet again, will upload a brilliant solo goal from Danze my right back soon.

Just discovered that Heart plays a gigantic factor in the game. Gigantic. it's completely replaced Form arrows as the main factor. Heart seems to determine now for the most part responsiveness and mentality, the players aren't all faster or unrealistically superman but they keep going for longer, their heads stay up and they stay responsive all game if their heart is at the maximum.

Best example my last two games before I watched Arsenal smash Napoli live at the Emirates today! O ZILL!!!!! TO THE ARSENAL!!

enough of that.

Best example where my two victories away to Lorient and at home to fellow title rivals Marseille. My team all had heart at maximum due to my great run off form, haven't lost in i dunno about 10 games and riding high. I was having a very tight game away from home vs Lorient, no great chances for either team cancelling eachover out essentially, both teams having 4-2-3-1 with two sitting DM's, not mcuh space to play with or creativity from either side, then thanks to a small mistake Lorient then played some good stuff and managed to squeeze in a goal. Now from then, I didn't change anything, my attacks weren't great kept breaking down but I kept going forward and trying. Lorient changed formation, I wasan't sure what their new system was, it didn't suit them as much, I pounced, managed to start making more and more chances and eventually got a good equalizer.

It hit me, at the beginning of the season even when i beat lille 2-0 away from home my heart was hit and miss through the side, I had very few chances, hardly any possession and really struggled all game, was quite lucky Lille missed a few chances, most prominently in my mind was the losses to Toulouse and especially getting thumped and thoroughly outplayed by Saint Etienne 3-0. My heart was low, very low, i noticed when you heart is low, players seem to give up easier, they seem slower and less responsive. Keeper, this is a big one which I'll expand on, they don't seem to make crazy mistakes when their heart is high.

Lorient switched back to their default system but my momentum was set in, managed to score a last, last minute goal with the main man Ibarbo, L2 Manual shot smashed into the corner. Great feeling, again the mentality to come back and win was only possible with heart, to keep pressuring, looking to score.

Now the next game at home vs Maseille was a wonderful game, won 2-1, first goal was one of those realistic goals you like seeing in video games, took a hopefully shot from 25 yards, deflected and lopped over the keepers head, despite all the bugs with keepers, there was nothing Mandanda could do:

http://imageshack.us/clip/my-videos/534/ps8jgrwibdjblksiamyucz.mp4/

after this goal, going back to the heart, my team, the crowd just seemed inspired, despite Marseille being a much better, technical team and keep the ball better, we attacked with such force and vigor, scored a wonderful solo goal with Danze, my team felt invincible. thinking back to earlier in the season when my team didn't have so much heart it was fitting Danze my captain scored that goal, through he has shown the most bottle and has had the heart when nobody else looked interested.

YouTube - Rennes Master league Goal from Danze

Now finally with heart. Defensive AI, towards the end of my season teams in general have raised heart levels,t hey all defend better despite the player run bug, they keep a line well, the spot offside better and allow your DM's to tackle more by effectively holding up the attackers I'm seeing little to no silly goals when you just tackle the defender run in and score. keepers especially, not seeing any madness which I usually see in exhibition mode where heart is random. Mandanda made this absolutely outstanding save from a header, I will upload for you, this must be again a factor of heart.

YouTube - PES 2014 another great save by Steve Mandanda

I'm happy to say this game isn't just a rough diamond but no, it's not nearly as flawed as I first thought it was.

Nice goal, man! :) What are you using to capture the PS3 screen? I had a Dazzle once, but the quality was far from as good as that.
 
Nice goal, man! :) What are you using to capture the PS3 screen? I had a Dazzle once, but the quality was far from as good as that.

Sorry I'm using the PC version :)

I like the discussion here, in the PC section as like other years it just descends into people talking about technology. My video card can do this and that, you know. You get good debate and stories here.
 
Hopefully the fix will be more concentrated on ps3, the November huge patch. Have a feeling this game was done on pc and then ported over. Or maybe on Xbox. No way was this done on ps3 first. Clear framerate issues, something even Adam and konami have acknowledged.
 
I think you are doing Fifa a massive dissservice there, and all the hardwork and effort thats gone into it. Fifa is a great game in its own right. I find with some custom tactics editing and sliders tweaked it plays and surpasses anything this pes has to offer and beats it hands down for variety in animation, shot types and collisions. You have to play on manual to appreciate it though.

With this Pes its a good base, and hopefully with the next patch it will prompt me to pick up again, i tried starting a league with Ajax and it all felt a little flat.

Klashman is that on PC you are playing? I noticed the ball you have is different?
One of my housemates is an avid FIFA fan, and has bought FIFA 14 - we've played a fair bit of co-op Ultimate Team...

It's a dreadful football game... As with any of the recent FIFAs, pace and strength are ridiculously overpowered. You can pretty much give the ball to a guy with 90 pace and completely run around the outside of the opposition, or just chip through ball in the general direction of a strong/fast striker and somehow bundle through the defence.

Build-up play is an optional time-waster that serves no real purpose in terms of results, keepers are atrocious at dealing with crosses, shooting is predictable and scripted (despite all this "real ball physics" nonsense EA spouted) - there are obvious sweet spots that you can score 100% of the time with finesse shots, long pass trajectories make them too ineffective, defenders do ridiculous acrobatic clearances and get clean contact on the ball from simply mashing B to clear... The list of anti-football BS in FIFA 14 goes on and on.

Despite what EA would like you to think, it's just a roster update/minor gameplay tweak to an already poor FIFA 13.

It's a shame that it's so popular because it will continue to be churned out in it's current form and the pattern will most likely continue for next-gen too. Popularity doesn't equal quality... More people probably watch X-Factor than have watched The Wire.
 
Has anyone noticed playing online that the players pass the ball first time without any button input? Keeps happening in my games. Is there a, fix for this?

Also i cant change the camera in online games? WTF? Is there a way?

On xbox by the way
 
I started to use manual goalkeeper(L1+R3) when close to my goal and not single stupid goalkeeper error so far.
And it's great fun also.

Highly recommended to try this out. Looks like no need to wait for Konami to fix goalkeepers if using this.

Do the same. Did it in a ranked online match my opponent must have been fuming as I saved three 1 on 1'S. Shame it was still to laggy to continue playing online. Went back to the joys of offline. Until online plays like it does when my son and I play offline it's pointless
 
Has anyone noticed playing online that the players pass the ball first time without any button input? Keeps happening in my games. Is there a, fix for this?

Also i cant change the camera in online games? WTF? Is there a way?

On xbox by the way

Do you play with advanced throughball? If so try it with basic and see if that changes itb
 
My bread and butter is usually Master League Offline for PES but I have to say that I'm enjoying the challenges of trying to win the "Big Four" as I see it, namely the 3 different areas Champions Leagues and the Europa League. All 3 have their own style and I'm enjoying playing in them with my fictional side as much as any previous Master League.
The gameplay rocks and its a really rewarding game.
 
You've never been able to play football like this in a game before.

Sorry but I find this to be a little bit extreme.

You've always been able to play in a variety of ways in all previous PES games. Different formations, playing styles, types and combinations of players, its always been in PES no matter what the version. Even if you've had to dig deep and wrestle with the game.

What you're talking about is PES DNA, down to the individuality, movement physics, tactical depth, which has remained in the series to a large degree whether people have liked the individual games or not. They were'nt perfect with noticeable flaws, but still had PES DNA.

People are entitled to like what they want, but you can understand how a fan of current-gen PES would feel hearing that this is a big change to everything, when it is actually a continuation of what they already enjoy :)
 
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Can someone please explain to me what Attack/Defence level means? I mean how does it iterate into the game if I have a high number or a low number?

Greatly appreciated.

P.S To the people who are saying FIFA 14 is 'dreadful', it is a complete shocking thing to say. Let me tell you something, both games have there massive flaws, it is as simple as that. Both games have a different direction, one is trying to simulate realism, the other is trying to cater to casual mixed with realism. That's all it is.

The whole fanboy thing between the games is the most pathetic thing I have seen. Anyone who actively goes into the forum to just criticise the other game with baseless evidence because they just want to slag off the other game....I mean...there is sad...and then there is this.....

I tried Pro Evo for first time in a long time this year and I mentioned my disputes with it, a lot of them are being echoed by you lot as well. But I am trying to improve my experience with tinkering, hence my original question.

Normally I play one game for 6 months, then switch to the other. Best thing about football games, the amount of value you get for the price.
 
not read any reviews or bought it yet.

would like to know if the flaws of 2013 that stopped me playing it have been fixed or improved.
1 player switching
2 defensive AI at least the part where they dont run away from loose balls
3 gks where you cou;d score 100 times out of 100 in 1v1 situations.
4 invisible walls that pop up to stop your defender coming across for the ball.
5 online scripted matches
6 and last the complete bias towards real madrid of the last game.

the answers to the above depend on wether i buy the game or leave this years alone.
if buying it will be pc this year as the lack of editing and stadia on the console is another minus point!!!!!
 
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