PES 2014 Discussion Thread

[info0]

Yeah it can be like that if you play it that way. Like any football title it can be abused. I've found offline, customised tactics and edited players plus sliders equals a fantatstic realistic game of footy i can pick up and play.

Its funny, people cry about realism, ive seen more lose touches, and bits of amazing control on fifa. All the videos i see in this thread are the flick over the head type variety, scissor kicks and back heel goals, the very things fifa gets panned for.

Anyway enough of the fifa vs pes arguement. I need to be convinced more than i am on pes. I was on it this morning and i feel underwhelmed when i score. I'd love to hit a low bouncing curled effort off the post or hit a daisy cutter. None of these tyes of shots are available in game. Its a shame. The shooting variety was better in Pes 13 with Jenkeys tool.

Maybe learn how to shot low ground shots on PES? Power up shot with X then after filling power bar hold Y?

Hey damn, it works .

I haven't scored backheel goal on this PES yet. Dunno how people do it .

Scissor kicks? You need a lot of space and timing to pull that one off. On Basic it works maybe on 4 out of 10 chances.

But try to pull it off on Advanced. Good luck .

You cry about playing FIFA on manual, why not do the same here? Drop passing assistance to 0, switch through balls on advanced, shooting to manual. Turn off assistance OFF.

FIFA for me is broken. I shouldn't feel the need to even TOUCH sliders if the game was good from out of the box. If I need to touch them to have good game, sorry, but no. I don't have time to tweak and tune, tweak and tune .

Not to mention all AI teams play the same after a while. You can save how many tactics (as in custom team tactics NOT formations)? 20? When there are around 500 football clubs in FIFA? Are you joking?

Old and outdated presentation values, hell ugly stadiums, player models being ugly, only 2 players going for headers, broken collision system (still haven't fixed it), glitches on FIFA on PC (textures clipping through one another), etc.

Don't try to glorify FIFA as epitome of great football game. It's far from it, despite what reviewers say (and for your notice: I still play FIFA 13 to day, because it's fun game and with Moddingway patch it's even better, but nowhere near PES 2014 when it comes to football depth imo).

Btw never felt the need for sliders in PES3-6. Never wanted to change anything really.

 

[losslesscompression]

Online in PES/WE always has been, and always will be an afterthought. Don't buy this game solely for online experience.

It's the equivalent of most Square Enix title, great single-player all around but rubbish multiplayer component.

 

[DanielWins]

FIFA for me is broken. I shouldn't feel the need to even TOUCH sliders if the game was good from out of the box. If I need to touch them to have good game, sorry, but no. I don't have time to tweak and tune, tweak and tune .

Not to mention all AI teams play the same after a while. You can save how many tactics (as in custom team tactics NOT formations)? 20? When there are around 500 football clubs in FIFA? Are you joking?

Old and outdated presentation values, hell ugly stadiums, player models being ugly, only 2 players going for headers, broken collision system (still haven't fixed it), glitches on FIFA on PC (textures clipping through one another), etc.

Don't try to glorify FIFA as epitome of great football game. It's far from it, despite what reviewers say (and for your notice: I still play FIFA 13 to day, because it's fun game and with Moddingway patch it's even better, but nowhere near PES 2014 when it comes to football depth imo).

You are exactly the type of person I am speaking about in my above post. You say don't try and glorify Fifa yet you are doing the same for Pro.

First off, your statement - Old and outdated presentation values?? Your saying Pro Evo has better presentation than Fifa? If one thing Fifa pisses all over Pro, it is Presentation. Just goes to show how biased you are. Glitches? Your saying Pro Evo has no glitches too? Really?

This part I love the most... "Don't try to glorify FIFA as epitome of great football game. It's far from it, despite what reviewers say".....First off I am not saying Fifa is better anyways. However what is your occupation? Are you a professional games reviewer? For a reputable mag? Please explain why Fifa has got better reviews over pro evo for the past god knows how many years. And if you dare say "oh its because these mags are paid by EA or the reviewers don't know what they are talking about" it will just show your talking absolute garbage. Also I am not saying Fifa is better because it sells more. Ridiculous notion. But for professional reviewers to keep saying that one game is better than the other for over how many years, you know, it has to has some ring to it.

You have a preference for Pro. Fair enough. Do not try and say it is better than Fifa. IT IS YOUR PREFERENCE. Like I said, I'm not saying Fifa is better than Pro, but do not spout utter shite like you have done above.

 

[sgmullins]

Ive just played the xbox version of pes 2014, how come it's plays soooo much better than the ps3 version ?

 

[Rooney10]

Maybe the 'fix it all' patch in November will make ps3 pes equivalent to Xbox version. In next years hype train, remember to ask each other which version the video was being shown in. Too bad I won't be boarding the train.

 

[klashman69]

Must be how they create the game for the specification of the Xbx and port it to the PS3.

Can someone please explain to me what Attack/Defence level means? I mean how does it iterate into the game if I have a high number or a low number?

Greatly appreciated.

P.S To the people who are saying FIFA 14 is 'dreadful', it is a complete shocking thing to say. Let me tell you something, both games have there massive flaws, it is as simple as that. Both games have a different direction, one is trying to simulate realism, the other is trying to cater to casual mixed with realism. That's all it is.

The whole fanboy thing between the games is the most pathetic thing I have seen. Anyone who actively goes into the forum to just criticise the other game with baseless evidence because they just want to slag off the other game....I mean...there is sad...and then there is this.....

I tried Pro Evo for first time in a long time this year and I mentioned my disputes with it, a lot of them are being echoed by you lot as well. But I am trying to improve my experience with tinkering, hence my original question.

Normally I play one game for 6 months, then switch to the other. Best thing about football games, the amount of value you get for the price.

I see your point mate, I genuinely dislike EA and their attitude in general and it doesn't help I dislike their game.

Its best to pm people when it comes to comparing the game or hide comments in spoilers not to derail the thread.

 

[info0]

You are exactly the type of person I am speaking about in my above post. You say don't try and glorify Fifa yet you are doing the same for Pro.

First off, your statement - Old and outdated presentation values?? Your saying Pro Evo has better presentation than Fifa? If one thing Fifa pisses all over Pro, it is Presentation. Just goes to show how biased you are. Glitches? Your saying Pro Evo has no glitches too? Really?

This part I love the most... "Don't try to glorify FIFA as epitome of great football game. It's far from it, despite what reviewers say".....First off I am not saying Fifa is better anyways. However what is your occupation? Are you a professional games reviewer? For a reputable mag? Please explain why Fifa has got better reviews over pro evo for the past god knows how many years. And if you dare say "oh its because these mags are paid by EA or the reviewers don't know what they are talking about" it will just show your talking absolute garbage. Also I am not saying Fifa is better because it sells more. Ridiculous notion. But for professional reviewers to keep saying that one game is better than the other for over how many years, you know, it has to has some ring to it.

You have a preference for Pro. Fair enough. Do not try and say it is better than Fifa. IT IS YOUR PREFERENCE. Like I said, I'm not saying Fifa is better than Pro, but do not spout utter shite like you have done above.

Let me clarify: Presentation for me is not UI. Menus, formation screens before game, commentary (this is audio), are NOT considered as presentation for me.

How players look, how stadiums look, how cameras work during replays, etc. IS presentation for me and to say FIFA in this regard pisses all over PES is overstatement. When it comes to player models and REAL faces PES beats FIFA hands down. The same goes for how stadiums are represented in game (shame that KONAMI doesn't have many urban like stadiums in their game though).

Replay cameras need a lot of work and leave a lot to be desired though.

I can accept PES issues and I know this game has PLENTY of them, but... I also know how KONAMI worked their asses off last year to fix PES 2013. Comparing vanilla version (1.00) to last one (1.04.) is like comparing winter with summer . Completely different experience.

I also said that online will be downfall for PES. See I was right .

Game modes are outdated, but that was a given. I didn't expect overhaul in game modes.

Peace.

I didn't enjoy FIFA 14 demo, but I loved their UI. Something to take note of (they look really sexy, clean and sleek).

 

[DanielWins]

Must be how they create the game for the specification of the Xbx and port it to the PS3.



I see your point mate, I genuinely dislike EA and their attitude in general and it doesn't help I dislike their game.

Its best to pm people when it comes to comparing the game or hide comments in spoilers not to derail the thread.

Believe me when I say this, FUCK EA lol. I can't stand there money grabbing issues either. The sad thing is that we only have two companies making these games so we are stuck to buying from limited companies.

Klashman, you seem very knowledgeable on tactics in this game. Can you please explain Attack/Defence level for me and how a high or low number will iterate into the game? I am having a problem while playing CPU that there defence line is very high and the fast players I have seem to be able to run from halfway line to the goal one on one after doing a bit of skill to turn away from the defender on the halfway line. I want the defence line of the CPU to be further back.


Info0, apologies if I sounded like I was being offensive. Honestly I am not. I am finding Fifa quite stale at the moment, which is why I am changing to Pro this year. However I do see Fifa 14 trying to add a few changes. Like I said, I play one then after a while I play the other . Anyways enough about comparing the two

Peace.

 

[klashman69]

Believe me when I say this, FUCK EA lol. I can't stand there money grabbing issues either. The sad thing is that we only have two companies making these games so we are stuck to buying from limited companies.

Don't give them your money, they use your money to spite PES rather than just improve their own game If EA actually tried to make a better game or made some form of effort to advance their game, fine, I buy it and try help them like I did before but they don't even do that. Even if it wasn't good, at least try!

I refuse to give EA a cent! I don't care how big they are it has to start from somewhere. i heard FIFA's sales dropped by 25% this year in the first week, maybe they will take notice.

Klashman, you seem very knowledgeable on tactics in this game. Can you please explain Attack/Defence level for me and how a high or low number will iterate into the game? I am having a problem while playing CPU that there defence line is very high and the fast players I have seem to be able to run from halfway line to the goal one on one after doing a bit of skill to turn away from the defender on the halfway line. I want the defence line of the CPU to be further back.

Which level do you play on, Attack/Defence level isn't how deep the team defends, that dictates the players orientation when moving up the pitch. Move it to 0, full backs won't steam forward, move it to 20 full backs steam forward and join attacks. This does affect the defensive line in that way since more players will be up the pith but its' the defensive line which is the key really. Set that low and your team sits back when defending.

On superstar there is too much pressure so the AI will leave massive gaps for you to exploit plus it shows even more bugs than you see on other levels. Professional and Top Player AI don't pressure so wildly. Most team are set to have rather high lines and in general Teams get caught high up the pitch. Changing tactics will make the AI drop back, however even if you set to being very low in defensive line or solid at 10. The AI every now and again will be caught up the pitch but the tactics make a gigantic difference.

 

[Pedderrs]

Sorry but I find this to be a little bit extreme.

I find your use of the word "extreme" to be a little extreme.

You've always been able to play in a variety of ways in all previous PES games. Different formations, playing styles, types and combinations of players, its always been in PES no matter what the version. Even if you've had to dig deep and wrestle with the game.

Perhaps, variety has always been a feature of Pro Evo's gameplay, but never before have we been able to emulate the real game as well as we have with this year's iteration. The passing, the movement, it's more authentic now than it ever has been. This is what I meant when I said "you've never been able to play football like this in a game before". I think the general consensus would agree.

What you're talking about is PES DNA, down to the individuality, movement physics, tactical depth, which has remained in the series to a large degree whether people have liked the individual games or not. They were'nt perfect with noticeable flaws, but still had PES DNA.

I'm talking about the realistic way in which players pass the ball, receive the ball, and the life-like manner in which our teams will build-up play. I have played previous versions of PES. I really don't remember any of them, or any football game for that matter, being able to offer the same authentic experience. Again, this is why I said "never before have we been able to play football like this in a game before".

People are entitled to like what they want, but you can understand how a fan of current-gen PES would feel hearing that this is a big change to everything, when it is actually a continuation of what they already enjoy

I think this year's game is a "big change to everything". Really.

 

[losslesscompression]

Jack Wilshere ‏@JackWilshere 3H
Afternoon everyone, question....when does the new Pro Evolution Soccer come out?

Nice publicity there Jacky..

 

[dylan]

love pes 2014 jst play mre u wl get better and better ... we al ned patience to al the haters.

 

[genesee]

Is there anyone who has been able to compare digital PSN copy vs disk copy installed on hdd?

Tks

+1

 

[sir_poc]

Online in PES/WE always has been, and always will be an afterthought. Don't buy this game solely for online experience.

It's the equivalent of most Square Enix title, great single-player all around but rubbish multiplayer component.

I don't agree at all.

MLO in pes13 on manual controls was a fantastic gaming experience.

We've gone from that to the worst to date in PES14, on the ps3 anyway.

 

[BlueChampion]

I no longer see the 'trajectory indicator' during corners and free kicks. How's this possible? Did I tamper with some settings or some secret behind the scene update by Konami?!

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

I no longer see the 'trajectory indicator' during corners and free kicks. How's this possible? Did I tamper with some settings or some secret behind the scene update by Konami?!

You took it off with Triangle, its a toggle. Toggles garbage, both systems are pants.

It may be L1 or R1 depending on your button config.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

I don't agree at all.

MLO in pes13 on manual controls was a fantastic gaming experience.

We've gone from that to the worst to date in PES14, on the ps3 anyway.

Zero is now too Manual. I don't like it, neither is it realistic. Too much for too basic techniques. I now use 1-Bar, so much better with a lot or error for mistake. I combine that with Advanced TB, which no matter what anyone says, is a lot tougher than Basic TB. This is my happy compromise, as all the killer passes are via the TB, whether it be in the air or on the deck. So only my best playmakers can execute that perfectly weighted winner.

I've got so much to say, but need to get back to this, Copa time baby !!

One quickie, don't bring you keeper out and try to manually save, the CPU Keeper does a better job if you leave him. Explain more on that later.

 

[Bimau]

I no longer see the 'trajectory indicator' during corners and free kicks. How's this possible? Did I tamper with some settings or some secret behind the scene update by Konami?!

With L1 pressed, you press R1. Or vice-versa.

 

[DanielWins]

Which level do you play on, Attack/Defence level isn't how deep the team defends, that dictates the players orientation when moving up the pitch. Move it to 0, full backs won't steam forward, move it to 20 full backs steam forward and join attacks. This does affect the defensive line in that way since more players will be up the pith but its' the defensive line which is the key really. Set that low and your team sits back when defending.

On superstar there is too much pressure so the AI will leave massive gaps for you to exploit plus it shows even more bugs than you see on other levels. Professional and Top Player AI don't pressure so wildly. Most team are set to have rather high lines and in general Teams get caught high up the pitch. Changing tactics will make the AI drop back, however even if you set to being very low in defensive line or solid at 10. The AI every now and again will be caught up the pitch but the tactics make a gigantic difference.

Thank you I appreciate that. I have been experimenting with 0-10 to see what plays out a more realistic game. I'm leaning towards 5 but I wasn't sure whether Attack/Defence level had a great influence.

BTW, if the EA sales are down by 25% then wow...maybe people are taking notice. Can you believe there vita version of the game is just a roster update and they are charging full price still? I swear they can be done for fraud for that.

 

[klashman69]

EA are giving away the game free to anyone who pre orders a Xbox one maybe thats what the issue is people are waiting for the next gen version, which is a EXACTLY the same with the same engine with new TV visuals and a few tiny AI improvements with this overhyped ignite engine which adds things which really should of been added in PS3 version.

Watching champions league and noting now some of the tactics and how teams play, confirming from my earlier views. Noticed how crap the goalkeeping is all over Europe, just poorly given away goals from Joe Hart, Gigi Buffon especially totally getting it wrong.

When goalkeepers stand there like a stick off wood as a bug, that is not good enough but keepers giving soft goals due to being on average or bad form and low heart is a part of the game I expect to see.

We need to be able to tell the difference between a genuine goalkeeper bug and a soft goal. Fed up with people moaning, Keepers are shit, as if you want them to be perfect and however make a mistake!

 

[zeemeister]

If the CL was a videogame the keepers and defence would be slated for being a horrible mess. Anyone watch the cska vs plzen match?! Gives justice to PES2014

 

[OrlandoSPUR]

That keeper howler was amazing from the Pilzen keeper

 

[BlueChampion]

Thanks Bimau and Jimmy. I didn't know it's possible until you guys told me. Cheers.

 

[BlueChampion]

Is there some thread in this forum or any forum with PES 2014 kit formulae? I've removed the option file and the game's slow and cultured now. I'm now planning to design the kits myself. Can you share if there's a kit formulae thread or source?

 

[zeemeister]

And again Hart didnt cover his near post lmao. He should be PES cover star. We are too harsh on PES keepers

 

[Lami]

love pes 2014 jst play mre u wl get better and better ... we al ned patience to al the haters.

Please refrain from using txt talk and use proper English instead.

Thanks.

BTW, if the EA sales are down by 25% then wow...maybe people are taking notice. Can you believe there vita version of the game is just a roster update and they are charging full price still? I swear they can be done for fraud for that.

Would appreciate we keep the EA chat in the Fifa thread and keep this on topic.

 

[zeemeister]

Hey Bernard is on for Shaktar. Great player for Athletico Miniero in my Copa campaign

 

[araul]

Cameras online? Can anyone change them? Anyone?

 

[klashman69]

If the CL was a videogame the keepers and defence would be slated for being a horrible mess. Anyone watch the cska vs plzen match?! Gives justice to PES2014

And again Hart didnt cover his near post lmao. He should be PES cover star. We are too harsh on PES keepers

This is my point, people seem to think they are always right when they bash goalkeepers even if they let in a realistic soft goal. I not talking about the keepers standing there like wood, or the quite clear bugs regarding chip shots and the odd floating ball.

There is no bug here:
YouTube - Pro Evolution Soccer 2014 - GK blooper again HD
YouTube - Pro Evolution Soccer 2014 - Goalkeepers are still retarded mess. Near Post Glitch/Bug HD

 

[dylan]

Please refrain from using txt talk and use proper English instead.

Thanks.


Would appreciate we keep the EA chat in the Fifa thread and keep this on topic.

oops sorry using my phne .i mean phone lol. been playing pes since purgelini corlini was on the cover, the bald ref sorry for my spelling, been playing pes so much my girlfriend is getting angry with me now i have to wait for her to fall asleep. Anyway i have problems with corners how can i clear the ball well with a header seems to just bob around then i conced a silly goal. Any help would b appreciated.