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bonyi said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JthJl62mE_s&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I jsut scored this beauty.

this on top player. No defensive awareness at all.

The reason why a lot of people are bashing this year, because it could be a damn good game, but this moments happen too often and destroy the feeling.
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Thats not game breaking, thats game exploiting!! If your trying to play sim, why would you ever do that.

Game breaking is playing the right way and something goes wrong tk take you away from the emersion.
 
Can't believe how ridiculously easy the game is against the AI. I mean, before the game was released there were people who played the early code who claimed that passing is much harder than Pes 2013 even on high passing difficulties. Now what the fuck happened to that? Are they telling lies right into our faces? I am dominating games on superstar 87 % possession on 1 bar. Passing is really easy and I prefer to play with 1 bar since the game is too unresponsive for manual in its current state imo. Altough I dominate games ridiciuolusly easy on manual too. Playing on proffessional is like, a compelte joke. The AI can't pass within the team for noting and you just walk thorugh the game with the ball all the fucken time. Wtf is wrong with the CPU? Was it really better in the demo?

And the biggest problem that makes the game unplayable for me right now are the high backlines. Its impossible to establish any kind of play further up the pitch. I stated this 2 times before here, but no one seemed willing to help, so I guess the tactics simply are just totaly broken in this game.

So, at first I hated the game because I didn't know how to play. Then I learned the controls and loved it. Now the bugs are becoming too much of a headache. If Konami really intends us to bare with this mess for too much longer they must really think we're idiots. No one would have bought this if we knew.
 
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Ipswich69 said:
It demonstrates a bug. Just don't run up the middle of the park anymore. No one does that in real football.
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People don't do that in real football because the other team don't let them. Everyone would do that if they could, so you shouldn't be able to do it in PES, bug or no bug.

As bugs go, for a football game to make it possible to run through the middle and score from kick off, yeah, that's pretty dire.
 
drew_3 said:
Thats not game breaking, thats game exploiting!! If your trying to play sim, why would you ever do that.

Game breaking is playing the right way and something goes wrong tk take you away from the emersion.
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I see you don't get it.

It's only an extreme demonstration of player awareness, which ruins both attacking and defensive play

For me it's not game breaking, but annoying.
Unfortunately there is a lot more game breaking bugs.

Enjoy the game, I try, but I cry
 
The game is just a mess. I tried another game, lost another goal because my full back cut out a cross in the penalty area and my keeper came running out of his goal, slid in behind him, knocked them both over, and left an empty goal for the COM.

With the huge bugs and deserted game modes this ain't gonna last long.

And what's with the terrible audio? The home team score a goal and a huge roar goes up, then the home team score another goal and all you get is this weird polite applause and no crowd roaring at all. It's a total mess.

I dunno. Something about the game also doesn't feel right. Player models look strange when running, they can accelerate far too quickly, there is too much space around the pitch and players can cover too much ground. So disappointed in this after initially thinking it was awesome.
 
I still can't see why Konami can't just update PES 6/2007 with better graphics and a few tweeks. We'd be better off than where we are now.

Sad that 7 years later and we still haven't surpassed that game for overall experience, fluidity and ai.
 
I still say its 2013 AI with improved animations and ball physics.

I approach each session with optimism but when you score a goal and your reaction is "oh dear" it's not a great sign.

Keeper animations are brilliant, keeper behaviour is terrible, too easy to keep the ball and create scoring chances, you don't feel like you've worked goals, more like you've been allowed them.
 
TheWolf said:
I still can't see why Konami can't just update PES 6/2007 with better graphics and a few tweeks. We'd be better off than where we are now.

Sad that 7 years later and we still haven't surpassed that game for overall experience, fluidity and ai.
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This. If Konami released this as a download with HD graphics and an online mode, it would be huge.
 
PES 6 etc are old and outdated these days. People expect more realistic gameplay. Unfortunately all we're getting with this is a game designed around high through passes and end to end play. I keep trying to slow the game down and force the game to play another way, but it just feels like I'm trying to force something that's hard coded to do things it's own way.

And it would be nice to play a single game without raging at my keeper.

I also really, really hate the goal celebrations in the game. They feel almost like FIFA'esque cut scenes detached from the actual game, and every celebration I've seen so far involves the player hammering it at full sprint towards the corner flag. Why, Konami, why?
 
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TheWolf said:
I still can't see why Konami can't just update PES 6/2007 with better graphics and a few tweeks. We'd be better off than where we are now.

Sad that 7 years later and we still haven't surpassed that game for overall experience, fluidity and ai.
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Err.. No. Just, no.
 
Hm, PES 6 with 360 movement + HD graphics + updated ML + CL + EL + Copa Libertadores + other SA licenses.

However, leaving AI as challenging as back then + movement + how shooting/passing worked? Why the fuck not?

I find passing in PES3-6 to be actually pretty good. Not ping-pong like. Spot on really. The same goes for shooting, power and accuracy.

PES 2008-2014 (even if the latter is best of the lot, even better than old games in some aspects) is a mess. Unpolished mess.
 
This is the best you can get with limited processing power of current gen console. There's bound to be an unfair 50/50 contest and reaction issue. Right now it's locked with only 2 persons contesting for the ball at the same time.

And no, i don't want another PES 6 HD. It's not just a simple case of porting it with high-resolution texture.
 
info0 said:
Hm, PES 6 with 360 movement + HD graphics + updated ML + CL + EL + Copa Libertadores + other SA licenses.

However, leaving AI as challenging as back then + movement + how shooting/passing worked? Why the fuck not?

I find passing in PES3-6 to be actually pretty good. Not ping-pong like. Spot on really. The same goes for shooting, power and accuracy.

PES 2008-2014 (even if the latter is best of the lot, even better than old games in some aspects) is a mess. Unpolished mess.
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Didn't like pes 4 out of all the classic ones, too arcadey , horrid gk's and defenders going bananas (kinda similiar to pes 2014 ones :D) .

No matter how much I respect and love pes 6 and co games , I really want to move forward with football games already. I played pes 6 all the way until 2011-2012 years dammit.
And there is people still actively playing and patching pes6, while further installments were completely abandoned when new season comes out.

This is the best you can get with limited processing power of current gen console.
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This also explains why pes 6 fits in more varied r2 shooting animations than pes 14, defenders and gk' are less buggy and got better awareness ai (far from perfection, but still..) ?
 
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The problem is, you know what made FIFA great? Yup, they ported PES6 gameplay into FIFA, but updated it with 360 movement and other shit.

If people don't see similarity, try playing PES6 and then jump to FIFA 10 (on consoles).

You will feel at home, I bet.

KONAMI tries to please both sides of spectrum (casual + hardcore fanbase). This means making the game pleasing those with arcade approach and those who love simulation.

This won't happen. Unless you take similar approach to SimBin and GTR. Separate the game modes to Arcade/Sim.

That is it.
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
The game is just a mess. I tried another game, lost another goal because my full back cut out a cross in the penalty area and my keeper came running out of his goal, slid in behind him, knocked them both over, and left an empty goal for the COM.

With the huge bugs and deserted game modes this ain't gonna last long.

And what's with the terrible audio? The home team score a goal and a huge roar goes up, then the home team score another goal and all you get is this weird polite applause and no crowd roaring at all. It's a total mess.

I dunno. Something about the game also doesn't feel right. Player models look strange when running, they can accelerate far too quickly, there is too much space around the pitch and players can cover too much ground. So disappointed in this after initially thinking it was awesome.
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Any idea when you're going to stop posting complaints here?
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
The game is just a mess. I tried another game, lost another goal because my full back cut out a cross in the penalty area and my keeper came running out of his goal, slid in behind him, knocked them both over, and left an empty goal for the COM.

With the huge bugs and deserted game modes this ain't gonna last long.

And what's with the terrible audio? The home team score a goal and a huge roar goes up, then the home team score another goal and all you get is this weird polite applause and no crowd roaring at all. It's a total mess.

I dunno. Something about the game also doesn't feel right. Player models look strange when running, they can accelerate far too quickly, there is too much space around the pitch and players can cover too much ground. So disappointed in this after initially thinking it was awesome.
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Hang in there mate, you'll be lovin' it again come the weekend:LOL:
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
The more I play this the more I'm gutted by it. I've waited so long for PES on a new engine and now it's arrived, it's all over the place.
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I'm not convinced this is a new engine.
Sure the animations have been overhauled but why are the same problems cropping up again that we've been complaining about for the past 6 years.
I hate to say it but the more I play it the more I see of PES2012/13 creeping through
 
stuartyd said:
I'm not convinced this is a new engine.
Sure the animations have been overhauled but why are the same problems cropping up again that we've been complaining about for the past 6 years.
I hate to say it but the more I play it the more I see of PES2012/13 creeping through
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I think it is a new engine but that they've taken design elements from the previous games. Unfortunately that means defenders shuffling backwards away from rebounds etc. I thought it was dodgy code or something in previous games but now I'm suspecting it was a design choice all along, to make the game seem more difficult.

But yeah you're right, the more I play the more I see elements of the old games coming through. Funny that, as Asim said as much in the summer and he got totally slated.
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
I think it is a new engine but that they've taken design elements from the previous games. Unfortunately that means defenders shuffling backwards away from rebounds etc. I thought it was dodgy code or something in previous games but now I'm suspecting it was a design choice all along, to make the game seem more difficult.

But yeah you're right, the more I play the more I see elements of the old games coming through. Funny that, as Asim said as much in the summer and he got totally slated.
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Some of your posts have an element of rage-quit to them. 'I just conceded a goal, it was not my fault - this game is broken'. You seem to be confused about whether you like the game or not.

You're right, though, in that you're well within your rights to post your thoughts on this forum. Fair play.
 
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Heading and crossing are very realistic. Some of the animation are just heroic. Shame the commentators don't reflect those effort at all.

Okay, gonna take a break from posting here because it's going in circle, now we're back at Asim again. Unless something major happen (new patch, DLC, OF etc.).
 
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It's definitely not "totally broken", I've enjoyed most parts of the games I've played recently, it's just that it lacks some very fundamental things to be an overall satisfactory experience.

Just remember to do this survey and hopefully, we'll see improved gameplay in an upcoming patch. I'm off to play GTA. ;)

http://www.quicksurveys.com/s/Ct6r8
 
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