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spektarm said:
Some of the posts were indeed a bit over the top (personal attacks, etc.)...

Anyway, I think the biggest problem about the control mechanics isn't the ability to use the d-pad or the analogue stick, it's just the ridiculous 0-1-2-3-4 bars of assistance in the game. That completely screws with the balance of the game online (and offline multiplayer, even the AI seems to pull off some ridiculous passes when you're playing on 0 bars).

The best thing for the future of PES, in my opinion, will be the implementation of only 1 but extremely well balanced control scheme, which is neither full manual (really important for PES, full manual destroys the individuality) nor as assisted as it is right now. They just have to make it work somehow; what we have now is utter, utter crap and it's one of the reasons that the online aspect suck (well working online filters are always an option, but still...).

Balance is the key.
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Completely agree. PES 2011 had the best setting - ONE good pass assistance + manual if needed.
 
spektarm said:
Anyway, I think the biggest problem about the control mechanics isn't the ability to use the d-pad or the analogue stick, it's just the ridiculous 0-1-2-3-4 bars of assistance in the game. That completely screws with the balance of the game online (and offline multiplayer, even the AI seems to pull off some ridiculous passes when you're playing on 0 bars).

The best thing for the future of PES, in my opinion, will be the implementation of only 1 but extremely well balanced control scheme, which is neither full manual (really important for PES, full manual destroys the individuality) nor as assisted as it is right now. They just have to make it work somehow; what we have now is utter, utter crap and it's one of the reasons that the online aspect suck (well working online filters are always an option, but still...).

Balance is the key.
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well, d-pad vs analogue is a more about both the balancing issue and the holding back issue (8 directions and no depth cannot compare to 360 directions and full depth of movement)... but yes, PA is a big big issue, and a more immediate issue actually.

just the surface option of FIVE pass assists is totally ridiculous. so idiotic.

personally i dont think one assist setting is fair as there is just too much of a gap between hardcore player and casual player. there should be AT MOST, 3 options: assisted, semi, and manual. but it might make more sense just to have 2 options: assisted and manual.

i've played fifa for the past few years and they have 3 options, but NO ONE ever plays the middle option. you either play assisted or manual because you cant find semi games. in fact in fifa 12 i think they removed semi altogether and nly had manual and assisted.

WuZiMu said:
Now that I know what kind of person u r, I was gonna start the argument again, this time continuing to defend the d-pad usage the way I first thought u meant :SMUG:
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i dont think you have to do that. i only argue for COMPETITIVE play (so online and hopefully then lan events). anything involving an offline player at home i am all for as many options as possible. but in a competitive environment? no.
 
polakis said:
PES series sell like crazy here in Greece for years but Konami cant put the Greek League into the game. Football manager sells like crazy too. This year FM2014 will have greek language for the first time. Sports interactive rewards greek customers. Konami doesnt...
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Don't be unjust polakis. Pes 2013 have Greek commentary and Greek text too. But i agree that inclunding Greek league Komami could increase the sales even more!
 
spektarm said:
Some of the posts were indeed a bit over the top (personal attacks, etc.)...

Anyway, I think the biggest problem about the control mechanics isn't the ability to use the d-pad or the analogue stick, it's just the ridiculous 0-1-2-3-4 bars of assistance in the game. That completely screws with the balance of the game online (and offline multiplayer, even the AI seems to pull off some ridiculous passes when you're playing on 0 bars).

The best thing for the future of PES, in my opinion, will be the implementation of only 1 but extremely well balanced control scheme, which is neither full manual (really important for PES, full manual destroys the individuality) nor as assisted as it is right now. They just have to make it work somehow; what we have now is utter, utter crap and it's one of the reasons why the online aspect sucks (well working online filters are always an option, but still...).

Balance is the key.
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I wholeheartedly agree and this is a point of view I've held for sometime.

The casual audience probably wouldn't care about losing the various levels of pass assistance, mainly because they rarely deviate from assisted passing. It's the hardcore i.e. people on forums like this that would kick up a fuss.

One-bar pass assist as the standard with a manual modifier for full control would be my choice. The mainstream audience would get used to it while enough control is still afforded to the hardcore.

None of this fractured community playing the game differently. It would be just like the old days.
 
spektarm said:
Some of the posts were indeed a bit over the top (personal attacks, etc.)...

Anyway, I think the biggest problem about the control mechanics isn't the ability to use the d-pad or the analogue stick, it's just the ridiculous 0-1-2-3-4 bars of assistance in the game. That completely screws with the balance of the game online (and offline multiplayer, even the AI seems to pull off some ridiculous passes when you're playing on 0 bars).

The best thing for the future of PES, in my opinion, will be the implementation of only 1 but extremely well balanced control scheme, which is neither full manual (really important for PES, full manual destroys the individuality) nor as assisted as it is right now. They just have to make it work somehow; what we have now is utter, utter crap and it's one of the reasons why the online aspect sucks (well working online filters are always an option, but still...).

Balance is the key.
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0 bars does not take individuality out of your passes, not by a longshot. Though I fully agree, online games should be played with 0 bars passing, the 40 meter laserguided throughballs that go 30cm past your CB to a perfectly on running striker ought not to be in PES.

Assisted passers should use their training wheels offline and only come online when they are at 0 pass assistance.
 
Matty_17 said:
we are not allowed to discuss game mechanics now? that talk is 'useless' ? :CONFUSE::CONFUSE:
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There's no problem in discussing. There's a problem in the manner you discuss. Calling BS or stating your opinion as fact or saying people should either present opinions that defeat yours or not bother isn't discussing.

Re: demo, still want to skip it.
 
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Lami said:
There's no problem in discussing. There's a problem in the manner you discuss. Calling BS or stating your opinion as fact or saying people should either present opinions that defeat yours or not bother isn't discussing.
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1) it was BS, nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade
2) it wasnt my opinion. d-pad has no movement of depth because it is a digital button. that is a fact
3) true. that is an argument. but i see nothing wrong in presenting arguments and putting them out there to others to tackle -- which no one successfully did.

dont understand why mods need to bump in unnecessarily and stop people talking on completely relevant topics.
 
Jamezinho said:
I wholeheartedly agree and this is a point of view I've held for sometime.

The casual audience probably wouldn't care about losing the various levels of pass assistance, mainly because they rarely deviate from assisted passing. It's the hardcore i.e. people on forums like this that would kick up a fuss.

One-bar pass assist as the standard with a manual modifier for full control would be my choice. The mainstream audience would get used to it while enough control is still afforded to the hardcore.

None of this fractured community playing the game differently. It would be just like the old days.
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i disagree. like i said, the gap between hardcore and casual is too big to mesh together. case in point, 1 bar sucks and if that was default i would just buy fifa, and i think a lot of other people would too. 2 or 3 options is optimum
 
Matty_17 said:
1) it was BS, nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade
2) it wasnt my opinion. d-pad has no movement of depth because it is a digital button. that is a fact
3) true. that is an argument. but i see nothing wrong in presenting arguments and putting them out there to others to tackle -- which no one successfully did.

dont understand why mods need to bump in unnecessarily and stop people talking on completely relevant topics.
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It wasn't BS. I'm not going to get into an argument about the d-pad now. Play the game however you want and let others do too.

And again, it's your manner that is the problem. It is not the first time. That attitude of "either have something to defeat my argument or don't bother talking to me" and stating opinion as fact, fix that and you wouldn't have me interfering. Continue it and you won't last long here.
 
No matter what konami would do regarding passing assistances and d-pad availability there would be still group of unhappy players.
Im on the side of single global passing setting. The assisted vs manual just split the community which got small enough already. Manual takes sure more skill to play, but i think its a less realistic approach to the sport game as well, since you can compensate too much on bad passers.

Im most concerned if they removed: auto-contain (cpu mirroring atacker movement by pressing 1 button, makes no sense), link feints (one of worst ideas in pes history), selecting off-ball player in free kicks and letting cpu put perfect ball to him.
 
Yeah BS, what about dirty kits, i haven't heard anymore or seen any screens showing it, if it's not in someone is going to get their nuts kicked in.
 
Matty_17 said:
well that's one way to shut out 70% of the conversation in this thread. swell!
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Way to take things out of context.

I'll repeat for the last time.

And again, it's your manner that is the problem. It is not the first time. That attitude of "either have something to defeat my argument or don't bother talking to me" and stating opinion as fact, fix that and you wouldn't have me interfering. Continue it and you won't last long here.
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TheTud said:
What is proper manual pass implementation ?
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'proper' manual doesnt mean the ball goes exactly where you aim at the exact power every time with no factors taken into account. it takes into account players stats and your EXECUTION (not decision) is altered by those stats, so things like balance, power, accuracy etc will all be handled diferently player to player

the difference with manual and assisted is that assisted changes/overrides what buttons you press, whilst manual absorbs what you press and then (based on player stats) determines how well that action will play out. huge difference
 
Matty_17 said:
well that's one way to shut out 70% of the conversation in this thread. swell!
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It isn't.
It looks like you have no respect for other's opinion, by calling things bullshit you communicate that oother people's opinion has less value.
Conversation is about respect for others' argument. I'm not saying that you don't have respect for other people's opinion or point of view, but by the way you communicate it just seems that way. In short: the way you communicate/discuss is far too antagonistic to call it "a conversation".

I'm sure you don't like my reaction, but i only want to help...
 
gerd said:
It isn't.
It looks like you have no respect for other's opinion, by calling things bullshit you communicate that oother people's opinion has less value.
Conversation is about respect for others' argument. I'm not saying that you don't have respect for other people's opinion or point of view, but by the way you communicate it just seems that way. In short: the way you communicate/discuss is far too antagonistic to call it "a conversation".

I'm sure you don't like my reaction, but i only want to help...
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i have great respect for others opinions when they make sense. if someone isnt making sense i will call out their bogus. simple
 
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