PES 2013 Discussion Thread

I couldnt get the quick freekicks to work too. At least it's not the same mechanic as last year.

BTW: I set my colour settings ingame to following: r -2, g 0, b -2, b +3
I think it looks better. Red down alone makes it better! Thx for the advice here in this thread! :)
 
PRO_TOO said:
I couldnt get the quick freekicks to work too. At least it's not the same mechanic as last year.

BTW: I set my colour settings ingame to following: r -2, g 0, b -2, b +3
I think it looks better. Red down alone makes it better! Thx for the advice here in this thread! :)
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There is a very useful video tutorial on this thread somewhere, can't find it just now. But basically, for very short free kicks, it is press shoot till you see slight golden on the strength, plus direction with stick, and also X to cut the power. On average distance, etc. things are the same but no X to cut the power. Again, the video is a much better explanation. Set-piece and curve stats should be above 80 for us humans, but apparently low 60's is acceptable for CPU players!
 
Freekicks are Fine. Its about the quick ones. When u get fouled, the player gets up and moves straight to the ball... looking for a teammate to pass to.

With freekicks i have no complains at all. I love em.

off topic but is anyone watching the red bull stratos event?! I do! Fantastic stuff!!! Really fascinating.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=vkJ5ItzEq3M
Redbullstratos.com
 
Keith Houchen said:
That's a nickname system outside the frame of the mode. The nickname has been bestowed upon you, the human player, for ticking some kind of box based on what you did in-game. Nothing to do with BaL, Ronaldinho, or Welshness per se.
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I guessed as much, to be honest (I've previously been dubbed "The Titan" and things like that), but it still made me laugh out loud.


Keith Houchen said:
There's a list of all the nicknames and what they mean in one of the Main Menu menus.
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That I didn't know - I mean, I didn't know that they were meant to mean anything in the first place. Is this just more Konami insanity or is there some actual logic to it? I'll have to take a look.
 
radha1 said:
As per recent PES history my Top Player division two Master League (beginning 3rd year) became an absolute grind. While the gameplay was incredible, the results were excruciating. It reminded me so much of that other Japanese joykiller Demon's Souls--remember that, where if you got killed you had to start the level from scratch, where the point of the game was to make you suffer as much as possible?

I keep asking myself if Konami even want me to enjoy this game...

So I started a new Master League, this time as Newcastle and kept them in the top flight. I can't play Professional because the CPU offense is utterly childish and I end up with 65% possession. I put it on Superstar. I couldn't believe it. I get time on the ball as on Professional, but the CPU offense plays intelligently as on Top Player. The game seems so fair and equalized on Superstar. At first I thought it might be too easy, in fact, when I drew with Norwich and beat Fulham 2-1. Both were home games. Then I lost 5-0 to Spurs away (Bale with two free kicks). Finally a 1-1 draw with Olympique Marseille in the group stage of Europa and a 1-0 home victory to West Ham.

Part of it is that on Superstar the CPU presses slightly less than on Top Player but seems to intercept more. They play intelligently instead of frenzied. Part of it is that my players are much better than my Division 2 side and so the fullness of the game opens up. My strikers are making great runs.

For those of you that find Top Player starting to grind up your joy for this incredible game, consider a switch to Superstar. I'd love to know if your experiences are similar.

Also: if you play with three bars of offense, your sidebacks will always overlap. Keep them defensively aware by giving them marking assignments. The moment you lose possession, they will attend to their mark. Otherwise, they seem to wander for a crucial few seconds before tracking back. Also, if you play a team with three midfielders in the circle, you must in some way match that. I always switch my formation to a straight 4-3-3 with the three CM's in a straight line. Then I mark the two most forward cpu midfielders. I think it is a mistake to mark 3 for 3. You end up with your midfielders constantly crossing each other to get to their mark due to the frequent cpu dummy runs. Better to mark two and leave one midfielder free to think for himself. I never mark central strikers unless the cpu plays a 4-4-2 and one of the strikers is slightly deeper than the other (I guess that would be a 4-4-1-1), or an SS. Then I play a formation that includes a DMF and let him mark the SS. Those playmakers are a bitch. I think in the average game I mark about 4-5 players. Against OM I played a 4-3-3 and even had my two wingers mark the CPU sidebacks, so I had two midfielders marked, both their wingers marked with my sidebacks, and both their sidebacks marked with my wingers. Only my two CBs, my middle CM, and my lone striker had no specific defensive tasks. I thought a tie was a good outcome away from home.

--Good day!
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I gave Superstar a try this evening and I'm not going back to it. Top Player is far more fair, far more balanced and far more realistic. On Top Player I almost always have near even passing and possession stats with the CPU, they really attack me and have a go, physical battles feel fair and both sides foul a lot and get their fair share of yellow cards. It's great.

I just tried Superstar on a 15 minute match and it was far worse. In fact it felt very, very similar to PES 2012 in terms of how the CPU approaches the game. It's really odd. Move up to superstar and suddenly the CPU sits back, really deep, allowing you loads of possession, then hits you on the break with strikers who ghost past tackles. There was no sense of build up play that I've found on Top Player.

Also, dribbling is practically banned, nothing works. The CPU has a near telepathic and perfect sense of tackling. Dribbling is virtually impossible.

Then there's the referee. On Top Player fouls and cards are perfectly balanced, yet on Superstar the ref literally blew for a free kick with every attempted challenge, even when I did nothing but hold A and wait for the striker to run into my stationary defender. The foul count at the end read 10 fouls against me, 1 foul against the CPU.

Then, true to form, the good old traditional last minute winner for the CPU, from a corner I could do nothing about. Hmm. Top Player is he best experience I've had in the game, mostly when I lose, and that's still a fair amount, I don't feel cheated. But just one defeat on Superstar and all the things I've said made me feel cheated and outdone by a stat boosting AI on steroids.

Not for me!
 
I agree in finding Superstar having terrible gameplay. I always use the highest difficulty in sports games, even when other people usually whine about comeback AI I usually interpret that to mean they just aren't very good at the game, but in PES 2013 Top Player is the best option imo.

I have no problem winning on Superstar its just the CPU AI plays the same way with every team and the team tactics do not matter. They just spam through balls and run up the middle. On Top Player you can set the team tactics for CPU teams and they play true to life. Check out my tactics I made they work great!

http://forums.onlyproevolutions.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=812&p=12248#p12248
 
PRO_TOO said:
I couldnt get the quick freekicks to work too. At least it's not the same mechanic as last year.

BTW: I set my colour settings ingame to following: r -2, g 0, b -2, b +3
I think it looks better. Red down alone makes it better! Thx for the advice here in this thread! :)
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I have the same settings. Looks much better. I've found that reducing the red by adjusting the LCD TVs red bias actually makes a lot of games look better as there's too much red there to begin with.
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
I gave Superstar a try this evening and I'm not going back to it. Top Player is far more fair, far more balanced and far more realistic. On Top Player I almost always have near even passing and possession stats with the CPU, they really attack me and have a go, physical battles feel fair and both sides foul a lot and get their fair share of yellow cards. It's great.

I just tried Superstar on a 15 minute match and it was far worse. In fact it felt very, very similar to PES 2012 in terms of how the CPU approaches the game. It's really odd. Move up to superstar and suddenly the CPU sits back, really deep, allowing you loads of possession, then hits you on the break with strikers who ghost past tackles. There was no sense of build up play that I've found on Top Player.

Also, dribbling is practically banned, nothing works. The CPU has a near telepathic and perfect sense of tackling. Dribbling is virtually impossible.

Then there's the referee. On Top Player fouls and cards are perfectly balanced, yet on Superstar the ref literally blew for a free kick with every attempted challenge, even when I did nothing but hold A and wait for the striker to run into my stationary defender. The foul count at the end read 10 fouls against me, 1 foul against the CPU.

Then, true to form, the good old traditional last minute winner for the CPU, from a corner I could do nothing about. Hmm. Top Player is he best experience I've had in the game, mostly when I lose, and that's still a fair amount, I don't feel cheated. But just one defeat on Superstar and all the things I've said made me feel cheated and outdone by a stat boosting AI on steroids.

Not for me!
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Yeah, so after two days on Superstar I'm just disgusted with it. As you pointed out, the cpu just sits back and I cycle the ball around like an idiot trying to break down a whole team. It's just like 2012. I end up with 65% possession and 5 shots, they end up with 3 shots for 3 goals.

I've got to be honest though. I'm going back to Top Player, but man, I just can't win enough games. I'm trying really feckin hard.
 
Had 3 wonderful games tonight. Im using At Madrid who seem to suit my style. Have used them every year since PES6. Just gutted Aguero left!

Also have put those chant packs on which sound fantastic. Played Everton away and they are singing a song taking the piss out of Gerrard!
 
radha1 said:
Yeah, so after two days on Superstar I'm just disgusted with it. As you pointed out, the cpu just sits back and I cycle the ball around like an idiot trying to break down a whole team. It's just like 2012. I end up with 65% possession and 5 shots, they end up with 3 shots for 3 goals.

I've got to be honest though. I'm going back to Top Player, but man, I just can't win enough games. I'm trying really feckin hard.
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Sorry to be quoting myself, but of course (back on Top Player), I just managed a three game away stretch by beating Norwich 0-1, drawing with Swansea 1-1, and demolishing QPR 1-3 after saying I couldn't win enough lol :P
 
dejavu76 said:
Mate can you use that ball into ML?
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Yes you can :)

Go into edit mode, then League/Cup, pick a league, then detailed settings, then ball type :)

You can't edit La Liga's though, as it's fully licensed and I think it automatically comes with it's Nike ball.

PRO_TOO said:
BTW: I set my colour settings ingame to following: r -2, g 0, b -2, b +3
I think it looks better. Red down alone makes it better! Thx for the advice here in this thread! :)
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Yep reducing red alone definitely makes a difference, then playing with the rest for fine tuning.

Suuuuupertalk said:
I gave Superstar a try this evening and I'm not going back to it. Top Player is far more fair, far more balanced and far more realistic. On Top Player I almost always have near even passing and possession stats with the CPU, they really attack me and have a go, physical battles feel fair and both sides foul a lot and get their fair share of yellow cards. It's great.

I just tried Superstar on a 15 minute match and it was far worse. In fact it felt very, very similar to PES 2012 in terms of how the CPU approaches the game. It's really odd. Move up to superstar and suddenly the CPU sits back, really deep, allowing you loads of possession, then hits you on the break with strikers who ghost past tackles. There was no sense of build up play that I've found on Top Player.

Also, dribbling is practically banned, nothing works. The CPU has a near telepathic and perfect sense of tackling. Dribbling is virtually impossible.

Then there's the referee. On Top Player fouls and cards are perfectly balanced, yet on Superstar the ref literally blew for a free kick with every attempted challenge, even when I did nothing but hold A and wait for the striker to run into my stationary defender. The foul count at the end read 10 fouls against me, 1 foul against the CPU.

Then, true to form, the good old traditional last minute winner for the CPU, from a corner I could do nothing about. Hmm. Top Player is he best experience I've had in the game, mostly when I lose, and that's still a fair amount, I don't feel cheated. But just one defeat on Superstar and all the things I've said made me feel cheated and outdone by a stat boosting AI on steroids.

Not for me!
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Wow. That's almost the exact opposite experience for me for both Superstar and Top player :CONFUSE:
 
Lami said:
Yeah these bizarre moments do happen once in a while.

What difficulty are you on again?

I've been spending the whole day today experimenting different difficulties and speeds in addition to preset tactics.

So far I'm more happy with Superstar and +1 speed. I've always played on Professional bit this year there's just too much hoofing and through balls happening ruining it for me. Top player is ok but it doesn't feel right. Superstar has the perfect balance imo. Also stars of CPU teams shine more and you see them in full effect. Teams play less through and hoofing from what I've seen and try to play football instead. You do see players making mistakes too and that makes it more realistic. I did lose to United twice and they just felt too hard to beat, and I was City too. Then played Southampton and felt the massive difference. Gave them a good 4-0 thrashing.

Just hope this experience stays this way.

Oh and I use the Puma Evospeed 3 ball btw. Currently my favourite ball.
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Hah! I changed over to Superstar last night, +1 gamespeed and the same ball. :SMUG:

Copycat :BOP:

Playing on Pitchside cam, I felt 0 was a little too sluggish at times so I tried out +1 and it feels alright so far. I'm talking more about the reaction times and passing than the shooting which doesn't seem too slow on 0.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it's probably the engine's limitation that means the game doesn't run as smooth on Pitchside as it does on something like Long cam, which I'm used to playing. I'll go back to Long and see how it plays.

I did like Superstar though. Feels balanced so far. Had a game where possession was 55-45 and the scores ended 1-1 with about 6 shots to 9. Was good for a 15 min game. Did score a lovely goal though where I played a through ball simply with a 0 bar pass, and then a finish into the side netting with manual shooting where I pressed R2 at the last moment and he changed his body shape to side foot it home.

Straight to the highlights reel...
 
Superstar for me is perfect (especially with 15min matches and manual passing), dont know what alot of you guys are saying :CONFUSE:.

I've had fair matches, both teams basically equal unless one team is statistically better than the other. For example my ML team played Barcelona and got trashed 5-1, with Barca using slick passing and dribbling much like real life. Next match played Espanyol and won 5-2, with possession 55-45 for me. Both the CPU and I had plenty chances to score but obviously the CPU couldnt finish. Saw no trace of magic dribbling by the AI nor unstoppable through balls, unless of course my defenders were out of position due to me getting caught of guard or if my tackles were mistimed.

Each match i play is different, against Espanyol they used the long ball often, against Real Madrid though, quick counters.

One thing i noticed is that tactics definitely matter this time around. I was playing Seville and it was 1-0 at half. Switched my 4-3-3 around and modified it a little to match the Spanish 4-3-3 and ended up winning 3-0.

Its nice to see the CPU attempting skills and dribbling, but its better to see them stopped by my top defenders.

Definitely loving this game, im getting that "one more game" feeling whenever i play. Screaming at the ref or yelling "goooooooooooaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllll" once a critical goal is scored brings me back to PES6 days where id play ML all day.:BOP:

Gonna upload some goals soon, nothing to fancy though lol.
 
Think I remember the transfer update being released on the 11th October, is that still true?
 
Lami said:
Wow. That's almost the exact opposite experience for me for both Superstar and Top player :CONFUSE:
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Don't you find the CPU is near perfect at tackling though? I couldn't beat a man at all, and the game seemed to just sit back and counter en-masse like it did in 2012. But it feels too robotic, its tackling was bang on perfect every time.

And as for the ref, well, he blew for a free kick every time I made a challenge. Losing the foul count by 10-1 is crazy, especially when I moved it back down to Top Player and suddenly the foul count was only 4-5.
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
Don't you find the CPU is near perfect at tackling though? I couldn't beat a man at all, and the game seemed to just sit back and counter en-masse like it did in 2012. But it feels too robotic, its tackling was bang on perfect every time.
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Honestly, I'm really having the opposite experience you're having. On Superstar I can dribble past CPU players easier than Top Player. And players defend better than on Top Player too. For some odd reason my defenders feel dumbed down on Top player compared to Superstar, where they tackle and intercept much better.
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
Don't you find the CPU is near perfect at tackling though? I couldn't beat a man at all, and the game seemed to just sit back and counter en-masse like it did in 2012. But it feels too robotic, its tackling was bang on perfect every time.

And as for the ref, well, he blew for a free kick every time I made a challenge. Losing the foul count by 10-1 is crazy, especially when I moved it back down to Top Player and suddenly the foul count was only 4-5.
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Just like Lami my experience is almost the oppposite of yours. When i play i notice that on Superstar the AI is not perfect but fair and exploitable by tactics used in real life, not superhuman defenders that seem to happen when i play on Top Player. Also at times the ref is very harsh, but usually its balanced for me.
 
Lami said:
Honestly, I'm really having the opposite experience you're having. On Superstar I can dribble past CPU players easier than Top Player. And players defend better than on Top Player too. For some odd reason my defenders feel dumbed down on Top player compared to Superstar, where they tackle and intercept much better.
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+1. top player is way bitchier than ss. Also +1 speed on pitch camera is a must, the game feels on slow motion on 0.
 
Any news on the transfer update DLC?
I tried to find some news on the Konami website, but keeping customers satisfied is not their forte.
 
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