PES 2013 Discussion Thread

ELTONSP said:
tomorrow is the release date !
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Valeu! :)
Thanks! Finally. Now the Option Files won't require messing about with transfers, so we will be able to find ones that change only the kits, emblems, leagues, etc, and add new teams in new leagues...

I barely played this game so far because of this!
 
What is up with the performance training? First off, it took about 20 goes to complete the sombrero flick even though I've done it in proper matches before. Every time I did it in training, the CPU defender just stood in my way and blocked me from getting to the ball. Eventually I managed to do it.

Then, I tried doing the long passing training. Is it bugged? I've watched the tutorial several times and can't see what I'm doing wrong. Literally the moment the ball leaves my player's foot it says 'bad' and that I've failed. Yet every time he hits a near perfect crossfield ball to my team mate just like you're supposed to.

I've eventually had to just give up doing it, I must have tried about 30-40 times already. Strange that, considering I can hit raking crossfield balls in an actual match.....

WTF?
 
SteelHorse75 said:
Still havent managed to do a powerful header at goal let alone score one.

Any tips?
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I don't know how the mechanics work, but I do score tons of headers. All I can suggest is practice crossing in free training, and experiment with holding the direction stick at every angle you can when crossing. You'll learn how to direct crosses away from the keeper, and pull the ball back when you get to the other team's byline.

Practice using L1 and the cross button when further out, you can hit them from deep. This type of early cross to me seems more successful because if you can imagine, an early cross whipped in behind the defence allows your attacker to fully run onto the ball. I find that crossing once I've got further up the pitch seems to mean that your attackers are already just standing waiting for the cross, and they never seem to get to the ball.

This is what I mean about an early cross - I used L1 and bent it in for Matri to head home.

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Oh and remember to experiment with using R2 at the same time to loft high crosses in, if they're away from the keeper they can cause chaos with knock-downs.

As for heading, you can use R2 to get a softer header, but to be honest I'm not sure if there's an actual technique for getting different types of headers, it's more about the position of the player and the ball when they make contact.

One thing I'm gonna experiment with is pressing the shoot button just a tiny amount so that the power bar barely registers. This does strange things when shooting, so maybe it will with headers. You'd imagine that with shooting, if you barely tap the button, the shot would be really weak, but instead you hit firm low shots. Maybe doing the same with headers makes them go more downwards, but I'm just guessing.
 
Oh dear. Had some horrible scripted games v Cluj in Europa League interspersed with some excellent games in the league. It's as if the game just switched god mode for some matches and stacks everything in the CPU favour. Both games v Cluj were a scripted, pressure fest mess. Real pity.

Because of such I feel I can get more enjoyment out of manual and professional level. I'm also jumping on the pitchside, +1 gamespeed wagon.
 
Lami said:
Honestly, I'm really having the opposite experience you're having. On Superstar I can dribble past CPU players easier than Top Player. And players defend better than on Top Player too. For some odd reason my defenders feel dumbed down on Top player compared to Superstar, where they tackle and intercept much better.
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I've just tried another game on Superstar, was much more enjoyable. I beat Athletico Bilbao 2-0 with Juventus, Superstar, 15 mins, zero assists, all players set to standard green arrows. It was really well balanced, maybe I'm just getting better at the game now but I had slightly more possession than I usually do on Top Player which at first I thought was odd, but then I realised that the more the AI cuts off passing lanes, the longer you'll tend to hold on to the ball so that stat makes sense even against a harder AI.

I've found a couple of things though. Firstly, you can't dribble on Superstar without using R2, they seem to run in and put a foot in every time, even when just changing direction near a defender. And secondly, defending by holding jockey, then using the shoulder button to do a tackle again almost never works. Neither does double tapping A unless it's a 50-50 loose ball. I got skinned over and over using these, but just jockeying and moving close to the player seems to work. They get confused over what to do and then your player automatically puts a foot in while simultaneously slowing the attack right down.

I'll persist and see how Superstar pans out. But that last game was pretty balanced, tough, and good fun :))
 
I would agree that crosses and headers are more wonderfully difficult and random this year. Early crosses are best for me; frankly I press L1 every time I cross no matter early or deep. It seems to put a nice curve on the ball to draw it away from the keeper. I also think getting the ball on the wing and then R2 to stop suddenly, draw back and toss in an inswinging cross is effective.
 
lol im getting beat on proffesional i must suck?

thogh i treid superstar and top player and actually got a draw and a win ironically
 
Don't know if my honeymoon period is over but I've had some really bad games tonight. Games felt like 2012, on various modes. CPU boosts and non effective tackling, defenders going AWOL running away creating chances for the CPU. Let's hope it's a temporary blip.
 
ccshopland said:
Don't know if my honeymoon period is over but I've had some really bad games tonight. Games felt like 2012, on various modes. CPU boosts and non effective tackling, defenders going AWOL running away creating chances for the CPU. Let's hope it's a temporary blip.
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I'm also finding defenders going AWOL frustrating along with the ineffectual header system, especially when attacking in the box. Heading animations along with keeper animations need a massive overhaul in PES 2014. They're generally shite by today's standards and I'm tired of looking at 'em to be honest. Also, it's not important but Konami really needs to go the extra mile and give the ref's shadow some arms in future games.
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
Don't you find the CPU is near perfect at tackling though? I couldn't beat a man at all, and the game seemed to just sit back and counter en-masse like it did in 2012. But it feels too robotic, its tackling was bang on perfect every time.
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Either Top Player is completely bust, or the developers have a frankly weird theory as to how you you are meant to learn this game. If it isn't near impossible to beat a man with confidence, it is the laser precision tackles and ott strength in the tackle, along with their super human strength on the ball, regardless of the player, that makes it's a horrible experience. This is without me taking into account the way your defenders seem to glitch out on Top Player, making the AI's counter attack/through ball game all the more potent. It's horribly balanced.

Super Star on the other hand is infinitely better balanced; you can take a man on with confidence,recover from physical attention quicker, appear to have more space to create, and the AI's attacking play is just a touch more measured. I actually love the game on Super Star difficulty at the moment.
 
I really, really don't understand how I'm seeing this different to everyone else. I've tried a few more games on Superstar, even playing as Barcelona, firstly twice against Celta and then playing against Valencia and the games were frankly horrible. Really reminded me of PES2012.

I can honestly say that on Top Player I can skip past tackles, win out sometimes in physical battles etc. But the games tonight on Superstar, with the exception of the first match where I won 2-0, have been dire.

In all the games the CPU were pressing so hard they were virtually man-marking every player on the pitch. Everyone was getting outpaced. They kept repeatedly knocking me off the ball. R2 dribbling wasn't working, and the tackle buttons were near redundant.

In all three games I dominated the play then got screwed over massively by shitty goals that I could do nothing about. Defenders going awol, dodgy keepers, or just moments where the CPU went mental and started boosting the shit out of their attackers. I'm talking average, 60-70 rated players suddenly out of nowhere producing laser-guided passes, pinpoint shooting and amazing dribbling ability. I lost count of the number of times where the CPU would glide past my standing challenges, and if I did ever win the ball, and I mean EVER, the biased ref would give a foul. In fact, the ref was so biased that on one occasion I managed to get Messi through on goal. He was at this point five yards in front of a defender with explosive power of about 65 and pace of around 70, yet this guy hunted down and caught Messi despite him being in full sprint, then he and two other defenders ploughed through the back of him. No penalty. Moments later, Pedro again burst through on goal, the CPU again barged him violently off the ball, the ref bizarrely gave a free kick to the defender and gave Pedro a yellow card! WTF?

I just can't see what everyone else is seeing. You have no time on the ball, the difficulty gives the CPU a physical boost over your players, dribbling does nothing, tackling does nothing, and the CPU repeatedly hits you perfectly on the break over and over again. It really does play like PES2012. I mean those games against Celta, blimey, I've never seen anything like it. I'd get charged down, and knocked over in the time it took for a pass to reach the target and for him to bring it under control, even when using R2 trap. Superstar served to be a fairly nasty reminder of how PES2012 felt, those gung-ho counter attacks where average players would glide over your tackles like you weren't there. I've almost never witnessed that on Top Player.

Drop back down to Top Player, and I had even, narrow games, where I had a bit of creative licence to actually do something fun.

Really bizarre. I just don't see how Superstar can conceivably be easier than Top Player, or more forgiving. It stands to reason that Professional is fairly forgiving, Top Player not very forgiving, and Superstar at such a level that clear boosting is going on in an attempt to replicate difficulty. That's always been the case.
 
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So do u guys win easy on proffesional?

weird caus eon demo i was winnig easy on pro but now i bought the game though i dominate games its hard to score and cpu is good on counters
 
I agree with Suuuuupertalk. Superstar difficulty reminds too much of PES2012. Pressure-whore CPU, faster tempo, too end to end matches, Maradona dribblings, etc. It's true that sometimes there are matches that you enjoy on Superstar, but generally I didn't like so much, so I prefer to stay at Top Player. Maybe I'll give another chance in the future.
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
What is up with the performance training? First off, it took about 20 goes to complete the sombrero flick even though I've done it in proper matches before. Every time I did it in training, the CPU defender just stood in my way and blocked me from getting to the ball. Eventually I managed to do it.

Then, I tried doing the long passing training. Is it bugged? I've watched the tutorial several times and can't see what I'm doing wrong. Literally the moment the ball leaves my player's foot it says 'bad' and that I've failed. Yet every time he hits a near perfect crossfield ball to my team mate just like you're supposed to.

I've eventually had to just give up doing it, I must have tried about 30-40 times already. Strange that, considering I can hit raking crossfield balls in an actual match.....

WTF?
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Agree 100%
First of all I have the tutorial telling me to press R2 but highlighting R1 and vice versa.
Takes me ages to complete the knuckle shot even though Ive scored 1 or 2.
The long pass must be broke. I hit a perfect pass to my players chest - he controlled it - run towards goal and the timer run out. So I completed it right? Wrong. Made me do it a again. So this time I put a long pass right to his feet so he dont have to break stride - heads for goal and timer runs out. Completed? Nope. Makes me do it again. I just quit the training.
 
SteelHorse75 said:
Agree 100%
First of all I have the tutorial telling me to press R2 but highlighting R1 and vice versa.
Takes me ages to complete the knuckle shot even though Ive scored 1 or 2.
The long pass must be broke. I hit a perfect pass to my players chest - he controlled it - run towards goal and the timer run out. So I completed it right? Wrong. Made me do it a again. So this time I put a long pass right to his feet so he dont have to break stride - heads for goal and timer runs out. Completed? Nope. Makes me do it again. I just quit the training.
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Yeah I reckon it's bugged. I tried the long passing training again and the very first exercise is to hit a standard, flat, long pass into space to your team mate on the other wing. Now, I'd presume that you'd fail this if you either press a different button or if your other player doesn't manage to get to the ball. After all, a crossfield pass is by definition successful if it goes where you intended and if your team mate actually receives the pass.

What on earth Konami are talking about in the training is beyond me. It says I've failed the moment I press the long pass button. That's all the tutorial tells you to do!
 
Oh and I carried on trying Superstar, this time with other teams, I'm never going back to it again I don't think. It has the most outrageous CPU cheating I've ever seen. In fact, several times the AI was allowed to bend physics to win itself tackles, passes and goals.

One guy managed to turn me in the penalty area thanks to the fact that he was momentarily able to pass through solid objects, another was allowed to control the ball with his head, then start sprinting with the ball attached to his head, and still have it roll down his side before flicking off his ARM, which actually perfectly put the ball into his path. Brilliant.

In six matches on Superstar, I've won 1, drawn 1, lost 4. In every one of the four defeats I conceded a goal against the run of play where you'd say the game glitched. Keepers making awful errors, defenders wandering off in their own six yard box, oh, and own goals.

My last match, Barcelona v Aston Villa. I had 65% of the ball, 12 shots to their 3. The score finished 3-0 to the CPU. First goal, a 50 yard through-pass down the wing, quick cross, my defender wanders off, easy header. 1-0. Second goal, my keeper saves a shot, not a single opposing attacker anywhere near the ball, so the AI makes my keeper and another two players who I'm not controlling run into each other, which naturally sees them contrive to cause the ball to pinball between them, causing it to roll into an empty net for an own goal. I had no part in the whole escapade, and the commentary rubs it in by calling it an 'awful error'. Yes, Konami, it is.

The third goal was the best of the bunch though. I did an admittedly awful error, throwing the ball straight to Darren Bent, who still manages to block the clearance with some amazing instant control. Despite the ball being actually behind him for a moment, he manages to make the ball freeze in time and suspend itself in the air for a split second to allow him to get his leg high enough to shoot. I'm not kidding. The ball was suspended in the air. He then hit it down into the ground where it took a strange unnatural bounce over the keeper and in for 3-0.

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Up until tonight, playing on Top Player, I was saying this is the best football game ever made. The level of cheating going on has kind of ruined that for me a fair bit. I guess all I can do is knock it back down to Top Player, where I've never felt cheated at all, and enjoy that.
 
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pes4lyfe said:
So do u guys win easy on proffesional?

weird caus eon demo i was winnig easy on pro but now i bought the game though i dominate games its hard to score and cpu is good on counters
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I've enjoyed the game on professional difficulty. Seems like that's where the gameplay is balanced the best. I win and draw few and lose quite a lot, which is about right for my abilities.
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
What is up with the performance training? First off, it took about 20 goes to complete the sombrero flick even though I've done it in proper matches before. Every time I did it in training, the CPU defender just stood in my way and blocked me from getting to the ball. Eventually I managed to do it.

Then, I tried doing the long passing training. Is it bugged? I've watched the tutorial several times and can't see what I'm doing wrong. Literally the moment the ball leaves my player's foot it says 'bad' and that I've failed. Yet every time he hits a near perfect crossfield ball to my team mate just like you're supposed to.

I've eventually had to just give up doing it, I must have tried about 30-40 times already. Strange that, considering I can hit raking crossfield balls in an actual match.....

WTF?
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All you have to do is do exactly what the video tutorial shows you to. Mimic every move and every inch.
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
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Up until tonight, playing on Top Player, I was saying this is the best football game ever made. The level of cheating going on has kind of ruined that for me a fair bit. I guess all I can do is knock it back down to Top Player, where I've never felt cheated at all, and enjoy that.
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:LMAO::LMAO:

Darren bent time and space to supersede the laws of physics just like he does every week in real life!

But yeah, I have a metric ton of replays that show explicit CPU cheating/bending of game rules.

On a side note does anyone actually play with lower ranking teams? Everyone seems to only play with the likes of RM, Barca, Juve etc. I'm finding Professional with low rated teams and 0 assistance passing to be the most balanced game of football. Top Player with low rated teams has a little bit too much cheating on both sides.
 
sincover said:
:LMAO::LMAO:

Darren bent time and space to supersede the laws of physics just like he does every week in real life!

But yeah, I have a metric ton of replays that show explicit CPU cheating/bending of game rules.

On a side note does anyone actually play with lower ranking teams? Everyone seems to only play with the likes of RM, Barca, Juve etc. I'm finding Professional with low rated teams and 0 assistance passing to be the most balanced game of football. Top Player with low rated teams has a little bit too much cheating on both sides.
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i been playing proff and though a good player back in the day been on fifa for years so kinda new again.

done some toruneys with

Santos
Atheltico minerio
Belgium
Arsenal
Celtic
Benfica

so far and tbh really struggled adn thats on pro!!!! wtf
 
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Containing updates and new game modes.

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Special Matches will also be implemented, where players can earn bonus points in Master League Online matches.

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