Re: PES 2013 Discussion Thread .......
If you would take the time to actually consider what I am saying you would realise that Konami have some of these instructions hard coded into the individual players, its what determines their behavior, its called Player ID. I am saying that I like this system because the players become caricatures of their real life counter parts.
why do you want INSTRUCTIONS hard coded into players? INSTRUCTIONS are not part of a player's 'dna', its simply what the manager has instructed him to do
do you think for example if a manager needed a goal scorer and wanted to buy rooney (because he is good at scoring) he would be like "rooney is good at scoring goals, but it is in his DNA to track back all the time... damn, no point in buying him then"... err no, he would just instruct rooney not to dorp back and play only to score goals
Have you ever played PES ML? Have you seen some of the ridiculous stuff the CPU does with its team? That is why Fulham would do that!
then that is a seperate issue of AI badly choosing their systems, not with what im saying
Having the players attributes locked is fine for me because When I am playing against Berbatov I want him to behave like Berbatov, I do not want the game to decide for whatever reason that he is going to behave like Messi and start trying to run with the ball.
berbatov only behaves certain ways because his manager tells him to. do you think he just constantly defies his managers instructions and plays how the feels like playing?
"sorry sir alex, i dont feel like doing that today, i'll just play how i'll normally play, because i'm berbatov, and thats what i do"
This again is exactly my point, these instructions are locked in the players ID so they behave like they do in real life. I do not want the CPU manager seeing that Berbatov has great dribble accuracy and then deciding that for this game he will be running at people as if he were Messi.
so you DONT want players to play to their strengths ?
in real life berbatov isnt great at dribbling past players, he is good at dribnling yes, but not at dribbling past playrs, because he is slow. if he was good at being dribbling like messi is then a manager would OBVIOUSLY use him that way... because that is his strength
I never asked what stats determine if he is any good at holding up play. I said is there a stat that says that this player will hold up play, the answer is no it is an instruction.
yes, behviour stats. a player like balotelli with low determination and work rate etc will not always follow instructions perfectly because he is a lazy asshole. , as a counter example, a player like Park will follow instructions very well.
Changing this instruction will change the players personality. To me Berbatov holds up play, it is in his playing DNA, I do not want this turnt off.
his 'dna' lol. if a manager told him never to hold up play, then he wouldnt (depending on his behvouir stats).
berbatov holds up play because thats according to his abilities. he is strong, tall, good balance, good close control and technique = he is good at hold up play.
if berbatov is good at finishing aswell, and the manager has inbrahimovic in his team to do the hold up play who is better at it, then the manager would instruct berbatov to not hold up play but to score goals instead. in your world, you think its better if thats not possble because its in his 'dna to hold up play
Again I never asked what stats determine if he is any good at running with the ball, I asked if a specific stat dictates that he will preform this action and again the answer is no it is an instruction.
behavoiur stats
Berbatov does not run at 3 or 4 players with the ball, he prefers to hold it up and bring others into play. If he is given instructions to not hold up play and often run with the ball then to me that is not recreating Berbatov.
look up ^
I dont think you are taking the time to understand my point of view.
i understand. it just doesnt seem like you understand how football works or why there is a need for any instructions or a manager at all. just players with stats doing whatever they feel like because its in their blood LOL
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