PES 2013 Discussion Thread

Like I and others said, PES 2013 is the way more simulated football game directly compared to PES 5/6, but I can understand that some of the magic is lost in this gen.

You know what I mean that feeling that you get when you did something brilliant that opened up the defense and the game rewards that brilliant thinking or move. The player moves with authority and then you smash that ball into the net, a great feeling.

In PES 2013 the game tries everything to prevent these magic moments to come up and to throw sticks between your legs wherever possible, for example:

1. I had the situation where a CPU-defender at the right wing actually committed too early and I made a slight analogue movement with the left stick that left him outstepped, but instead of like it would have been in PES 5/6, ie. I would have been through with some free space that could have made it possible to create an opportunity, the outstepped defender somehow pulls me or shrugs me a bit so that my player gets into that dreaded stumbling-animation and loses of course all the advantage he had.
I don't really know why Konami does this, cause in real life these things result in freekicks with yellow cards to prevent a repeat, here it happens all the time with no consequences, except for stripping the game of its fun.

2. Even if you manage to get a break-through, let's say by making a well timed and well-aimed manual (let's face it, the assissted ones don't work at all) throughball, the player somehow has problems to take the ball and get on with it, he makes some strange animation where he loses time and advantage.

3. No acceleration necessary for CPU-defenders: I had the situation where one of my wingmen was running full speed and I made a nice pass into his path beside the defender who stood with his face toward me. When I made that pass my running wingman and the standing defender were on the same height and yet the standing defender turns around and immediately has the same speed as my already running wingman and then easily outpaces him. Absolutely impossible in real life, but here it happens.

4. Or when trying headers. I can't remember when I successfully made a header, every time something went wrong, either the ball was too high or the other player didn't react, or he tried but missed the ball or he got to the ball but pushed it way beyond the goal...

The game deliberately throws sticks between our legs, all in order to prevent score-results that might not be realistic, cause the CPU-AI is obviously too limited to deal with all the new opportunities that can be created using the new freedoms of manual passing/shooting and 360-degree-dribbling.

And this of course strips the game of its magic and fun, which the old games could deliver so nicely.
 
For me, the gameplay in PES 3 through 6 on an SDTV (thankfully I still have one:)) ) in the 4:3 aspect ratio is the pinnacle of football gaming. Those games played on an HDTV are a different experience, however and I think that's why a lot of people can't go back. PES 2008 through PES 2013 doesn't even come close to glory of the older games really, although gameplay-wise PES 2013 is the best of a poor catalog.
 
Ipswich69 said:
For me, the gameplay in PES 3 through 6 on an SDTV (thankfully I still have one:)) ) in the 4:3 aspect ratio is the pinnacle of football gaming. Those games played on an HDTV are a different experience, however and I think that's why a lot of people can't go back. PES 2008 through PES 2013 doesn't even come close to glory of the older games really, although gameplay-wise PES 2013 is the best of a poor catalog.
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You have to leave the graphics out of the equation as that's not the issue, and besides, PES looked very good for its time in the pre-HD era. What I miss from the PS2 generation of PES is the character. It's hard to describe exactly what I mean but those games had so much charm and character which kept me coming back for more. They were also much better products back then with less bugs and better modes.
 
Can't see any vast improvements in terms of graphics since PES2008, so what konami having been doing every year since then I have no idea. Really they should have nailed this game and come up with a title that matches PES5/6 in terms of both gameplay and game modes but no each year we see things being taken out instead of being improved upon.

It's taken til this week to get 2v2 into the game for christ sake. Still half the modes have features which have missing options, it is beyond a joke how bad konami have been in the last 6 months. Fairplay they are working to fix many of the issues. But really they should be concentrating on making PES2014 a complete game on release instead of what was an unfinished PES2013.
 
Right, this might be my final rant, but the game's scripting is totally out of hand. How do Konami manage to totally sour anything good or fun in the game? It's like they don't want anyone to enjoy it.

I've played my ML for weeks now, I've played several seasons, and finally I'm in the Champions League. I'm on superstar and winning the league, started well in the CL, then next up is the pinnacle of how far I've come - Real Madrid away. The scene is set, there's that brilliant Champions League big match feeling around the game, PES feels great again.

Then Konami pull it out of the bag again. A great experience, the fruits of my hard work with the game, but Konami manage to sour it to the point where I turn it off before the match has even finished. I dominate the game with 70% of the ball, which on superstar is pathetic against the likes of Real Madrid. But I switch the game off when Madrid score to go 3-1 up late in the game. They scored three of the most pathetically, obvious, unashamed scripted, cheating goals I've ever encountered in the game.

Goal one;

I am in full control of my CB as the last man. I keep his movements with their last attacker, who is Benzema. The through ball is played to him, I predict it all the way, but just at that moment, and despite having FULL control of the defender up to this point, the COM seems to override my controls and whips him out of the path of the ball. 1-0. This is frankly laughable. The difference is that it didn't switch control to anyone else, then make him move out of the way. I still had the cursor above my defender's head but the game just took control of his movement and was overriding what I was telling him to do for just that second or two to make him dodge out of the way of the ball.

To take over control of the player I am currently controlling, and then maneuvering him out of the way of the ball so the COM can score? Wow. Just wow. It might sound crazy, but that's what happened. The cursor never left the defender, and I tried in vain to stop him from moving, but he just slid out of the way of the ball.

YouTube - 1

Goal two;

Maxi, my 85 rated CM, on a yellow arrow, intercepts the loose ball on the edge of his own box and takes full control of the ball. With it at his feet, the game randomly, at the PERFECT moment, somehow detaches him from the ball and it hits his heel. It falls perfectly for Benzema, who sidefoots (that curling sweet spot goal the COM just loves) into the net. But what's best about this, is keep an eye on Maxi after he's lost the ball. Does he go towards the attacker, given he lost the ball in his own penalty area? Nope. The game hands Benzema the ball then makes the player who lost it run in the opposite direction, leaving a huge gap and Benzema one-on-one with the keeper. Fucking bullshit.

YouTube - 2

Goal three;

My CB stands firm, does a perfectly timed standing tackle that wins the ball. The ref calls a foul. Was it in the penalty area? Nope, but that doesn't stop the ref from awarding the COM a penalty right after I've just pulled a goal back myself.

YouTube - 3

This is utterly pathetic. The game's scripting is completely out of control. Why is it seemingly getting worse and worse with each game? I mean seriously, the game just handed itself three goals here. I'm not sure which of the three goals is worse. Moving your player you have control of out of the path of the ball, or awarding a penalty when it both wasn't a foul or even in the fucking penalty area. Combine all three of these goals and it was time to switch the game off. My big game against Real Madrid totally ruined.

Is this the best Konami can do? Program a code that can't keep the ball, can't do anything but spam through balls 50 yards, and when that doesn't work, it just hands itself goals with comedy moments where it just bends the rules of the game?

This was another case of a fun, great sense of achievement of reaching the Champions League, reaching a tie against Real Madrid, and it manages to purposefully leave a sour taste and ruin the enjoyment.

Bollocks to you, Konami.
 
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Jamezinho said:
+1

You have to leave the graphics out of the equation as that's not the issue, and besides, PES looked very good for its time in the pre-HD era. What I miss from the PS2 generation of PES is the character. It's hard to describe exactly what I mean but those games had so much charm and character which kept me coming back for more. They were also much better products back then with less bugs and better modes.
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Charm because it was technically a lot better compared to what ps2 could achieve. It was one of the best looking games, even when in movement. We were in awe because animations were so good and fluid that it was a joy to play and funny.
Compare instead pes 2013 graphics to what ps3 or 360 could achieve. It's underveloped, robotic like, graphics from gameplay cam are blurred, animations are less fluid and less varied than they were in ps2 games and that is a real shame on Konami.
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
Right, this might be my final rant, but the game's scripting is totally out of hand. How do Konami manage to totally sour anything good or fun in the game? It's like they don't want anyone to enjoy it.

I've played my ML for weeks now, I've played several seasons, and finally I'm in the Champions League. I'm on superstar and winning the league, started well in the CL, then next up is the pinnacle of how far I've come - Real Madrid away. The scene is set, there's that brilliant Champions League big match feeling around the game, PES feels great again.

Then Konami pull it out of the bag again. A great experience, the fruits of my hard work with the game, but Konami manage to sour it to the point where I turn it off before the match has even finished. I dominate the game with 70% of the ball, which on superstar is pathetic against the likes of Real Madrid. But I switch the game off when Madrid score to go 3-1 up late in the game. They scored three of the most pathetically, obvious, unashamed scripted, cheating goals I've ever encountered in the game.

Goal one;

I am in full control of my CB as the last man. I keep his movements with the last attacker, Benzema. The through ball is played to him, I predict it all the way, but just at that moment, the unbelievable happens. Despite having FULL control of the defender, for a second or two, the COM takes total control of him despite me supposedly still being in control of him and whips him out of the path of the ball. 1-0. This is frankly laughable. To take over control of the player I am currently controlling myself, and then maneuvering him out of the way of the ball so the COM can score? Wow. Just wow. It might sound crazy, but that's what happened. The cursor never left the defender, and I tried in vain to stop him from moving, but he just slid out of the way of the ball.

YouTube - 1

Goal two;

Maxi, my 85 rated CM, on a yellow arrow, intercepts the loose ball on the edge of his own box and takes full control of the ball. With it at his feet, the game randomly, at the PERFECT moment, somehow detaches him from the ball and it hits his heel. It falls perfectly for Benzema, who sidefoots (that curling sweet spot goal the COM just loves) into the net. But what's best about this, is keep an eye on Maxi after he's lost the ball. Does he go towards the attacker, given he lost the ball in his own penalty area? Nope. The game hands Benzema the ball then makes the player who lost it run in the opposite direction, leaving a huge gap and Benzema one-on-one with the keeper. Fucking bullshit.

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Goal three;

My CB stands firm, does a perfectly timed standing tackle that wins the ball. The ref calls a foul. Was it in the penalty area? Nope, but that doesn't stop the ref from awarding the COM a penalty right after I've just pulled a goal back myself.

YouTube - 3

This is utterly pathetic. I've never benefitted from shit like this, and the game has got scripting completely out of control. Why is it seemingly getting worse and worse with each game? I mean seriously, the game just handed itself a goal here. There was no foul and it wasn't even in the penalty area. Combine all three of these goals and it's time to switch the game off.

Is this the best Konami can do? Program a code that can't keep the ball, can't do anything but spam through balls 50 yards, and when that doesn't work, it just hands itself goals with comedy moments where it just bends the rules of the game?

This was another case of a fun, great sense of achievement of reaching the Champions League, reaching a tie against Real Madrid, and it manages to purposefully leave a sour taste and ruin the enjoyment.

Bollocks to you, Konami.
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Ouch....
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
Right, this might be my final rant, but the game's scripting is totally out of hand. How do Konami manage to totally sour anything good or fun in the game? It's like they don't want anyone to enjoy it.

I've played my ML for weeks now, I've played several seasons, and finally I'm in the Champions League. I'm on superstar and winning the league, started well in the CL, then next up is the pinnacle of how far I've come - Real Madrid away. The scene is set, there's that brilliant Champions League big match feeling around the game, PES feels great again.

Then Konami pull it out of the bag again. A great experience, the fruits of my hard work with the game, but Konami manage to sour it to the point where I turn it off before the match has even finished. I dominate the game with 70% of the ball, which on superstar is pathetic against the likes of Real Madrid. But I switch the game off when Madrid score to go 3-1 up late in the game. They scored three of the most pathetically, obvious, unashamed scripted, cheating goals I've ever encountered in the game.

Goal one;

I am in full control of my CB as the last man. I keep his movements with their last attacker, who is Benzema. The through ball is played to him, I predict it all the way, but just at that moment, and despite having FULL control of the defender up to this point, the COM takes total control of him despite me supposedly still being in control of him and whips him out of the path of the ball. 1-0. This is frankly laughable. The difference is that it didn't switch control to anyone else, then make him move out of the way. I still had the cursor above my defender's head but the game just took control of his movement and was overriding what I was telling him to do for just that second or two to make him dodge out of the way of the ball.

To take over control of the player I am currently controlling, and then maneuvering him out of the way of the ball so the COM can score? Wow. Just wow. It might sound crazy, but that's what happened. The cursor never left the defender, and I tried in vain to stop him from moving, but he just slid out of the way of the ball.

YouTube - 1

Goal two;

Maxi, my 85 rated CM, on a yellow arrow, intercepts the loose ball on the edge of his own box and takes full control of the ball. With it at his feet, the game randomly, at the PERFECT moment, somehow detaches him from the ball and it hits his heel. It falls perfectly for Benzema, who sidefoots (that curling sweet spot goal the COM just loves) into the net. But what's best about this, is keep an eye on Maxi after he's lost the ball. Does he go towards the attacker, given he lost the ball in his own penalty area? Nope. The game hands Benzema the ball then makes the player who lost it run in the opposite direction, leaving a huge gap and Benzema one-on-one with the keeper. Fucking bullshit.

YouTube - 2

Goal three;

My CB stands firm, does a perfectly timed standing tackle that wins the ball. The ref calls a foul. Was it in the penalty area? Nope, but that doesn't stop the ref from awarding the COM a penalty right after I've just pulled a goal back myself.

YouTube - 3

This is utterly pathetic. I've never benefitted from shit like this, and the game has got scripting completely out of control. Why is it seemingly getting worse and worse with each game? I mean seriously, the game just handed itself a goal here. There was no foul and it wasn't even in the penalty area. Combine all three of these goals and it's time to switch the game off.

Is this the best Konami can do? Program a code that can't keep the ball, can't do anything but spam through balls 50 yards, and when that doesn't work, it just hands itself goals with comedy moments where it just bends the rules of the game?

This was another case of a fun, great sense of achievement of reaching the Champions League, reaching a tie against Real Madrid, and it manages to purposefully leave a sour taste and ruin the enjoyment.

Bollocks to you, Konami.
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Try to post this exact message to Konami support including youtube links or videos. This way they will have the exact idea of what are you ranting about. Better try that.
 
Ameppe said:
Charm because it was technically a lot better compared to what ps2 could achieve. It was one of the best looking games, even when in movement. We were in awe because animations were so good and fluid that it was a joy to play and funny.
Compare instead pes 2013 graphics to what ps3 or 360 could achieve. It's underveloped, robotic like, graphics from gameplay cam are blurred, animations are less fluid and less varied than they were in ps2 games and that is a real shame on Konami.
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I agree with that. PES most definitely over-achieved on the PS2 and is seriously under-achieving on the current generation of machines.

PS2-era PES was genuinely awe-inspiring at times. You could play the game every day for months and still experience something new, whether it be an animation, trick, flick or goal. When people talk about the PES magic, that's probably what it is.

With modern PES I always feel as though the game has shown me what it has got within a week or so. Despite the increased freedom the game feels less alive and organic somehow.
 
Jamezinho said:
I agree with that. PES most definitely over-achieved on the PS2 and is seriously under-achieving on the current generation of machines.

PS2-era PES was genuinely awe-inspiring at times. You could play the game every day for months and still experience something new, whether it be an animation, trick, flick or goal. When people talk about the PES magic, that's probably what it is.

With modern PES I always feel as though the game has shown me what it has got within a week or so. Despite the increased freedom the game feels less alive and organic somehow.
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If you check the latest patch, 1.03, they somehow improved player movement animations, but it's still far too robotic to be enjoyed. Players move nothing like real life players, they seem to be wooden.
The eye becomes tired of Pes after few matches even if gameplay is good enough.

We can only hope next Pes will have much more natural and lifelike players movements.
 
Jamezinho said:
I agree with that. PES most definitely over-achieved on the PS2 and is seriously under-achieving on the current generation of machines.

PS2-era PES was genuinely awe-inspiring at times. You could play the game every day for months and still experience something new, whether it be an animation, trick, flick or goal. When people talk about the PES magic, that's probably what it is.

With modern PES I always feel as though the game has shown me what it has got within a week or so. Despite the increased freedom the game feels less alive and organic somehow.
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Do you know what, this is exactly it. Obviously played the shit out of PES 6 years ago, then on and off for a while. And then in around my 15th game of a ML season a couple of days ago I scored this volley goal by Suarez which was just awesome.

The whole thing looked awesome. A chest a slight turn with everything in place, the ball bouncing freely, the selling of the defender and the controlled volley, I was far more impressed by this one little magical moment than anything I've done on PES 2013.

PS - off on a tangent but Jesus, Roma sure are playing a high line tonight v Milan.
 
Jamezinho said:
I agree with that. PES most definitely over-achieved on the PS2 and is seriously under-achieving on the current generation of machines.

PS2-era PES was genuinely awe-inspiring at times. You could play the game every day for months and still experience something new, whether it be an animation, trick, flick or goal. When people talk about the PES magic, that's probably what it is.

With modern PES I always feel as though the game has shown me what it has got within a week or so. Despite the increased freedom the game feels less alive and organic somehow.
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When I play PES 3(my favorite game so far of the series) sometimes, I still feel :WORSHIP: when I see some animations and transitions.
No doubt PS2 games were so more polished. PES Team knew how to make profit of the hardware at that moment.
 
The scripting is outrageous in this game, both for the CPU to score and for it to prevent you scoring against it.

It's a shame when you work your ass off to create a clever opening and the goalie suddenly becomes stretch armstrong to pull off an unbelievable save or a thunderous volley hits him from 6 yards out and it bounces off him to safety like he's made of steel.

I've played games where it's impossible to win a 50/50 ball or a loose ball for the entire game and if you do score against the script the CPU will immediately rectify the score with a goal.

To the guy who posted the three scripting videos I think the peno wasn't given for the tackle it was the defender behind who came sliding in and the forwards momentum tumbled him over him in the box.
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
Right, this might be my final rant, but the game's scripting is totally out of hand. How do Konami manage to totally sour anything good or fun in the game? It's like they don't want anyone to enjoy it.

I've played my ML for weeks now, I've played several seasons, and finally I'm in the Champions League. I'm on superstar and winning the league, started well in the CL, then next up is the pinnacle of how far I've come - Real Madrid away. The scene is set, there's that brilliant Champions League big match feeling around the game, PES feels great again.

Then Konami pull it out of the bag again. A great experience, the fruits of my hard work with the game, but Konami manage to sour it to the point where I turn it off before the match has even finished. I dominate the game with 70% of the ball, which on superstar is pathetic against the likes of Real Madrid. But I switch the game off when Madrid score to go 3-1 up late in the game. They scored three of the most pathetically, obvious, unashamed scripted, cheating goals I've ever encountered in the game.

Goal one;

I am in full control of my CB as the last man. I keep his movements with their last attacker, who is Benzema. The through ball is played to him, I predict it all the way, but just at that moment, and despite having FULL control of the defender up to this point, the COM seems to override my controls and whips him out of the path of the ball. 1-0. This is frankly laughable. The difference is that it didn't switch control to anyone else, then make him move out of the way. I still had the cursor above my defender's head but the game just took control of his movement and was overriding what I was telling him to do for just that second or two to make him dodge out of the way of the ball.

To take over control of the player I am currently controlling, and then maneuvering him out of the way of the ball so the COM can score? Wow. Just wow. It might sound crazy, but that's what happened. The cursor never left the defender, and I tried in vain to stop him from moving, but he just slid out of the way of the ball.

YouTube - 1

Goal two;

Maxi, my 85 rated CM, on a yellow arrow, intercepts the loose ball on the edge of his own box and takes full control of the ball. With it at his feet, the game randomly, at the PERFECT moment, somehow detaches him from the ball and it hits his heel. It falls perfectly for Benzema, who sidefoots (that curling sweet spot goal the COM just loves) into the net. But what's best about this, is keep an eye on Maxi after he's lost the ball. Does he go towards the attacker, given he lost the ball in his own penalty area? Nope. The game hands Benzema the ball then makes the player who lost it run in the opposite direction, leaving a huge gap and Benzema one-on-one with the keeper. Fucking bullshit.

YouTube - 2

Goal three;

My CB stands firm, does a perfectly timed standing tackle that wins the ball. The ref calls a foul. Was it in the penalty area? Nope, but that doesn't stop the ref from awarding the COM a penalty right after I've just pulled a goal back myself.

YouTube - 3

This is utterly pathetic. The game's scripting is completely out of control. Why is it seemingly getting worse and worse with each game? I mean seriously, the game just handed itself three goals here. I'm not sure which of the three goals is worse. Moving your player you have control of out of the path of the ball, or awarding a penalty when it both wasn't a foul or even in the fucking penalty area. Combine all three of these goals and it was time to switch the game off. My big game against Real Madrid totally ruined.

Is this the best Konami can do? Program a code that can't keep the ball, can't do anything but spam through balls 50 yards, and when that doesn't work, it just hands itself goals with comedy moments where it just bends the rules of the game?

This was another case of a fun, great sense of achievement of reaching the Champions League, reaching a tie against Real Madrid, and it manages to purposefully leave a sour taste and ruin the enjoyment.

Bollocks to you, Konami.
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To repeat: mean-spirited....the key ingredient missing from PES is an affection for its audience. The joy of launching an ML, making transfers, getting youth players, establishing a strategy, and preparing for the very first game is ruined by 3/4 of your team turning up exhausted by international play and purple arrows. It's the first fucking game, don't you want me to enjoy myself?

The answer is no. The game has no soul.
 
So what do you guys think about that guy that gets called Redneck all the time? He's quite conflicted about what action he should take in this matter.
 
The game has no soul? I think it's the complete opposite compared to FIFA.

Btw, Data Pack 3 is messed up.
 
quick question,

I've updated to patch 1.03 but I think the gameplay feel went utter crap and want to convert back to 1.02, is this possible? Everytime I delete 1-03 it goes back to 1.00..

Thanks
 
I tend to agree that the game is utterly mean spirited. I've lost count of the number of times the game has spoilt what should be enjoyable occasions in ML by churning out crazy scripting and ruining the sense of occasion that ML does so well to generate.

I think every match where I've achieved something has been ruin by the game going into some kind of cheating overdrive. It did it when I celebrated promotion in front of my own fans, so a victory parade is offset by feeling pissed off at losing the game out of nowhere by crazy scripting. Same thing happened when I needed just one more win to seal the Portuguese title. On a win streak of six in a row, needing just one more win, celebrating in front of my own fans, out came the scripting in every game from that moment on and I limped over the finish line feeling cheated out of every game. Suddenly the enjoyment, sense of achievement, and sense of occasion at the end of the season were offset by feeling totally fucked off at the way the game was now constantly cheating. I scraped together enough draws to limp over the line when previously I'd been free scoring and storming my way to the title.

And the same went last night. Huge Champions League game, at Real Madrid, a great, big match sense of occasion and the feeling that I'd trawled through the lower leagues, built up my squad from nothing and was now in the big time, and the game rolls out the cheating I showed above to totally ruin the occasion again. I switched the game off, later went back to it, dominated Real Madrid for a second time but on this occasion the cheating didn't kick in and I came away with a hard fought 1-0 away win. That would have been a famous victory, but the previous events totally ruined it. Somehow the game always manages to ruin anything good you achieve by ensuring you celebrate with an unfair defeat.
 
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To the guy who posted the three scripting videos I think the peno wasn't given for the tackle it was the defender behind who came sliding in and the forwards momentum tumbled him over him in the box.
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Yeah I think that's why the game awarded itself the penalty too. Which is shambolic because the guy making the tackle wins the ball, then my other player behind him slides for no reason and is being controlled by the COM. I never told him to do that. Then, his slide misses Ozil completely and he practically slides into his own player. Ozil then runs into the second player who is already on the ground and just inside the box. But all this is just farcical because the ball is now miles away because I won the actual tackle fair and square.

It's the worst penalty decision I've ever conceded in PES, what a 'coincidence' that it just so happened to occur away to Real Madrid in the Champions League. The game just predetermined that I should lose.
 
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I suggest everyone complaining about CPU cheating to play on Professional or Regular
Superstar and Top player are close to unplayable because of all the scripting and cheating the AI uses to win
 
Been playing a bit of PES 6 on PC with those insane patches, and there's several aspects where the game is better than current one.

For starters, and surprisingly, the ball is tons less scripted than current gen. All touches on the ball are relevant and any contact with the players will have a realistic feedback. That alone has a huge impact on how the game feels.
Even shots, although there's no "manual" setting, give you a huge amount of chances to miss or to place a shot exactly where you want it.

Related to this there's also passing which, although it feels quite limited due to the fact it's all fully automatic, seems to require a much more patient and responsible approach from the player. There's no such thing as easy strings of passes because there's a sense of "weight" to the ball that you need to deal with. If you don't, you'll be making a lot of misplaced/weak passes.
The most striking aspect of this is how you simply can't make long passes on 1st touch(which you can do all the time on PES2013). Your player will fall and your pass won't go anywhere.

Then there's goalkeepers that not only behave and look much better, but also react quite realistically to all sorts of shots, with tons of little contextual animations to them.

AI is rather easy to deal with, so you can't really talk about scripting. You do feel almost completely in control of your game, something I don't always feel on PES 2013.
Tactically, it's a much more complete game, and your choices seem to matter much more than any game this gen.
Don't even need to talk about game modes, you all know how that goes.

Everything else, PES 2013 is better. Speed, freedom of movement, passing and shooting, length of field, player animations, gameplay related features (really miss the off the ball controls) and individuality.
 
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Ameppe said:
I suggest everyone complaining about CPU cheating to play on Professional or Regular
Superstar and Top player are close to unplayable because of all the scripting and cheating the AI uses to win
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What's the point in that? Regular and Professional are utterly dull as I can sit in the opponent's half the entire match and win 4-0 every single game. That's boring and not worth playing.

Well, the scripting seems to be reserved mainly for the Champions League in this game. I had a nice run of 'fair' league games, just about negotiated the remaining CL matches to qualify, then got drawn over two legs against Atheltico Madrid. I've played the first leg, drew 2-2, frankly the scripting was disgusting. The COM offered absolutely shit all in terms of possession or attack, but twice and twice only it pulled out some bizarre robotic passing and shooting, and banged in two out of nowhere, first to take the lead, then almost instantly after I'd pounded away most of the half and finally got an equaliser. The stats ended up 14 shots on target to me, 2 on target for the COM, it ended 2-2. Go figure.

It's the nature of the goals that gets me though. One of them was from two or three robotic 100mph backheel passes, a flat ball smashed into the box, Falcao somehow laser guides a header back down to a guy on the edge of the box with the back of his head (he was facing away from the ball but still smashed a header right onto this guy's foot) and the next person absolutely smashes a volley from 25 yards that should have broken the net. A stupid, fake looking goal.

Not that Atheltico should have been capable of that. I played Schalke, Real Madrid and Roma in the group stages, none of them were anywhere near as potent as this lot on the break. Clear, absolute stat boosting. It pisses me off that it seems to take me about ten shots on target to get one goal but the COM, on these occasions, hammers in every shot on goal.

Sigh.
 
I understand what you guys are saying and yea ive experienced some CPU dodgyness with my players BUT like ive said before if these random acts of CPU Cheating didnt happen the game wouldnt be interesting. We would all figure out how to play against it and win all of our matches comfortably.
 
Gonna have to go against the status quo here and say I'm not seeing ANY changes whatsoever in patch 1.03.
Its the first patch I can remember from Konami where they have actually detailed game play tweaks and not left it to peoples imaginations and placebo's to dream up changes, so was expecting to see some hard evidence, but i dont, at all.

Konami actually stated that they have tweaked form, well bollocks. I am STILL seeing ridiculous swings in form arrows for players, Bancé my CF scored 5 goals in an 8-1 drubbing of Everton, then next match, purple arrow.
Europa League game, needed a win to go through as group winners, on the back of 4 straight wins in the premier league, suddenly 8 of my starting 11 are blue or purple arrows.... nothing has changed here at all.
Cant really comment on improved player runs and positioning as I didnt have any problem with this before the patch, players still arent as active as they should be ie, a CF looing to hang off the last defenders heels, arching runs, stopping, checking, dropping back for a pass, this is all still missing, was before patch and is after patch.

Gfx look exactly the same, in fact i really am wondering if patch 1.03 was a placebo experiment by Konami because one of the key changes as documented, form, simply hasn't changed.

Now if you have to start a new ML for these patch changes to kick in then to me that is the most non-sensical decision ever because over 3 months after the game has released and 9 seasons into ML, with dozens and dozens of hours of invested game play, I am NOT going to be starting over just to use a patch.

Still loving My ML and the game in general but was seriously excited for this patch, but for me nothing has changed at all.
 
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