PES 2013 Discussion Thread

Suuuuupertalk said:
So, let me get this straight. Konami introduce the boot stats thing. With very minor exceptions, virtually everyone across the board slates this inclusion and state they hate it. Konami take on board this feedback and subsequently patch the game so that you are awarded MORE boots than before, thus making the feature that everyone hated more noticeable than before? Proof if anything that those Konami feedback forms are a waste of space.

Also, it's sad to hear the form arrow issue hadn't been patched. I buy this game each time so I can play ML, but this time I abandoned my ML in PES2013 because the form arrow issue got out of hand. It set out to ruin my game by making over half of my starting eleven have purple arrows every single week despite the fact that they were improving through training and even when I won matches. My striker scored four in one game once, next week he was on purple. I remember signing a better coach with a better form rating and yet my players' form got worse. It kept targeting both my keepers despite them having high form ratings, meaning I'd go into a match knowing the CPU would score from almost every shot on target.

I don't get this idea either that you can improve a player's stats via training yet he'll then be on a purple arrow. If a player improves his ability via training then that most likely means he's trained well and will be on good form, but not in Konami's eyes clearly.

Like some on here I've now all but abandoned the game, I've barely touched it in weeks, mainly because I only like to play a proper career on ML. The mode, this time around, is an absolute shambles.
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I don't think they have any code in the game that takes into account anything to do with players previous performance or any other value to work out their form other than their form rating and if you are playing home or away. It will most likely look at these two and perform some kind of calculation with a random factor thrown in and then give you their form for the next game.

What is the form rating of these players? (the 0-8 number) If it has anything to do with their random form, I might up each player to at least 5 or 6 and see if it makes a difference.

I know last year I tried a world cup and it was ruined by never being able to play most of my players as their form was purple every game.

This along with the stamina of forwards needs addressing. No forward can last more than 65 minutes without being so tired they can hardly function. Add this to the form issue and you have state in the game where by 70 minutes you are unlikely to have a forward capable of doing much
 
J League DLC is horrible.

No stadiums, no players editing ( O_O ), Emperor's cup missing, you can't buy players who play in other leagues and so on.
Konami pays to be the only software house to have J. Leaague for what? To sell that shit?
 
Chimps-with-quiffs said:
I don't think they have any code in the game that takes into account anything to do with players previous performance or any other value to work out their form other than their form rating and if you are playing home or away. It will most likely look at these two and perform some kind of calculation with a random factor thrown in and then give you their form for the next game.

What is the form rating of these players? (the 0-8 number) If it has anything to do with their random form, I might up each player to at least 5 or 6 and see if it makes a difference.

I know last year I tried a world cup and it was ruined by never being able to play most of my players as their form was purple every game.

This along with the stamina of forwards needs addressing. No forward can last more than 65 minutes without being so tired they can hardly function. Add this to the form issue and you have state in the game where by 70 minutes you are unlikely to have a forward capable of doing much
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I'm pretty sure that both of my keepers had form ratings of 7/10. My first choice keeper was signed right at the beginning of my ML and was absolutely fine in my first season, only getting the occasional blue arrow. Either keeper having purple arrows was extremely rare.

I finished mid table in my first season, signed a bunch of top rated players on free transfers that were way better than the DIV2 standard, signed a coach with a far higher form coaching rating, went top of the league early on and then bam, every match would suddenly see at least 6/7 of my starting 11 on purple arrows. My keeper, who's played an entire season without trouble by now, suddenly had I think around 12 purple arrows in 15 matches, with my backup also purple most of that time.

I found the arrow situation to also focus on certain areas to really screw you over. All my keepers, or all my CBs, or all my strikers etc so that I couldn't even replace them with anyone else. Final straw was when I went into a vital match and had both keepers on purple along with three out of my usual back four, with the other defender on a blue. Ridiculous.

Made ML no fun to play to be honest, which is why I'm disappointed it seems the same after the patch. No ML or PES for me then it seems.
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
I'm pretty sure that both of my keepers had form ratings of 7/10. My first choice keeper was signed right at the beginning of my ML and was absolutely fine in my first season, only getting the occasional blue arrow. Either keeper having purple arrows was extremely rare.

I finished mid table in my first season, signed a bunch of top rated players on free transfers that were way better than the DIV2 standard, signed a coach with a far higher form coaching rating, went top of the league early on and then bam, every match would suddenly see at least 6/7 of my starting 11 on purple arrows. My keeper, who's played an entire season without trouble by now, suddenly had I think around 12 purple arrows in 15 matches, with my backup also purple most of that time.

I found the arrow situation to also focus on certain areas to really screw you over. All my keepers, or all my CBs, or all my strikers etc so that I couldn't even replace them with anyone else. Final straw was when I went into a vital match and had both keepers on purple along with three out of my usual back four, with the other defender on a blue. Ridiculous.

Made ML no fun to play to be honest, which is why I'm disappointed it seems the same after the patch. No ML or PES for me then it seems.
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You could just switch off player development and enjoy it that way. Obviously, that does bugger all about the scripting and random form arrows. But it does stop the unrealistic/fucked up player development.
 
Could be placebo or bad luck but lost 3 games in a row after installing 1.02 with my previously pretty much unbeaten Bayern squad (ML, Pro, 1 bar) and only just tied another one due to two ridiculous identikit goals by Stuttgart who followed the exact same pattern: high-speed, super-precise build up play with super-glue first touch and super-clairvoyant tackle avoidance, then a defense splitting through ball down the middle, Boateng disengaging and running the other way on the super cancel, Neuer out and blocking the shot, rebound conveniently flying to the one white player in a heap of red ones, who then slots it in. Twice. Same match. Exact same way. Second one being the last incident of the match.

Thank you Konami. Of all the adjustments you could have done to make this a better game, upping the 'scripted reality' bollox was sure the one I hoped for the most.
 
stephen said:
You could just switch off player development and enjoy it that way. Obviously, that does bugger all about the scripting and random form arrows. But it does stop the unrealistic/fucked up player development.
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To be honest I didn't notice the player development too much as I only didjust under two seasons, but some of my youth players did get way too high too early. By the time I quit, Nouhei was 90-rated.

I just couldnt enjoy it, all the thrill of building your team up, getting them playing well together and winning kind of goes out the window when you play every match with all your star players barely able to kick the ball they're so off-form, and for no reason other than Konami make it random.
 
On a different, more positive note, I scored my most favourite goal yet on PES 13 last night. It was in an MLO match, to equalise, with only minutes remaining. This was from my newly signed striker that has low stats for everything bar Heading, Shooting and Ball Control. But boy, can he finish. This was his 6th in 3 games, and by far his best yet.

A lovely R2 First-Touch buys him a yard, then an improvised long-range lob using 3/4 power then R2 catches the keeper off his line as it bends and dips into the far corner.

Just.Fucking.Beautiful.

YouTube - Another Long-Range R2 Chip

YouTube - Stunning R2 Chip Shot
 
curdstar said:
Agree with chimps regards night time matches - look sharper and I can't say if it is the turf fix or they have boosted contrast levels or whatever. Again, what is happening is happening and I am playing more night matches and not having that sensation that the game plays massively better in daytime as I felt was the case before. Still work to be done there and in a number of of areas but so far so good since patch for me. Maybe I am just getting better but regardless, the game is playing well and that is all I want from any game.
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I just made two screenshots, one in 1.00 and one in 1.02. Can you tell me which one is which?

 
Don't know since which version of the game it is that way, but I noticed it for the first time: The audience is modeled in 3d behind the respective goals!
 
If I had to guess, I would say the left one is 1.02.

Is it on a pc or ps3? If its on the pc and patched turf you won't notice much difference

I know some might not think they have changed, but as someone who couldn't stand the look and feel of the game at night on the ps3 as it looked washed out, I played night games on virtually every stadium yesterday and at no point did I get the feeling would get after a few seconds of play on the night games before.
 
Chimps-with-quiffs said:
If I had to guess, I would say the left one is 1.02.

Is it on a pc or ps3? If its on the pc and patched turf you won't notice much difference

I know some might not think they have changed, but as someone who couldn't stand the look and feel of the game at night on the ps3 as it looked washed out, I played night games on virtually every stadium yesterday and at no point did I get the feeling would get after a few seconds of play on the night games before.
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This is on PC without kitserver attached, so it's basically the game out of the box. And to be honest, I can't see a difference between those two pictures. The left one is 1.02.
 
Jimmy G-Force said:
On a different, more positive note, I scored my most favourite goal yet on PES 13 last night. It was in an MLO match, to equalise, with only minutes remaining. This was from my newly signed striker that has low stats for everything bar Heading, Shooting and Ball Control. But boy, can he finish. This was his 6th in 3 games, and by far his best yet.

A lovely R2 First-Touch buys him a yard, then an improvised long-range lob using 3/4 power then R2 catches the keeper off his line as it bends and dips into the far corner.

Just.Fucking.Beautiful.

YouTube - Another Long-Range R2 Chip

YouTube - Stunning R2 Chip Shot
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Nice attempt but the pathetic keeper animations ruin it.
 
SteelHorse75 said:
Nice attempt but the pathetic keeper animations ruin it.
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Yeah I hate that animation! I wish they'd just have one where the keeper scurries back but watches the ball go in or something. Or try to find his feet and get rooted to the spot. Not just jump up and down on the spot with a sideways motion lol.

Nice hit though Jimmy :) I'm almost at a point where I can make a compilation of my goals so far.

Has anyone used the capture card where you can record direct onto a usb flash drive or internal hard drive? I can't remember the brand, but it doesn't need a computer hooked up to it.
 
i have enjoyed reading your forum, but it is very long and i really need some help....

i just got the game and cant wait to play but when i try to install the data pack it always freezes my playstation.

i am at a loss what to do and frustrated ...

can anyone please help me , i have searched far and wide online but to no avail :(
 
majuh said:
The patches on PC only consist of the exe file and this is most likely the same on the consoles. So when you install a certain patch, it's impossible that features of a newer patch remain in the game.
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It's not the same on the consoles as you delete the file to take you back to 1.00. If the file you delete was the exe to run the game then the wouldn't start

It is also possible that more is installed when you update the game or updated when you run an exe. Just because you are running an exe labelled pes2013 doesn't mean it couldn't be up updating settings in the game elsewhere
 
eurosoccerweb said:
i have enjoyed reading your forum, but it is very long and i really need some help....

i just got the game and cant wait to play but when i try to install the data pack it always freezes my playstation.

i am at a loss what to do and frustrated ...

can anyone please help me , i have searched far and wide online but to no avail :(
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Are you using an Option File ?
 
no its on the playstation and i load the game and try to install the data pack and instead it freezes then it tells me to

1. Remove your [PES 2013 Data Pack] from the [Game Data Management] on the XMB（Cross Media Bar）.

2. Start PES 2013 and download Data Pack via [INFORMATION].


I deleted everythin on the cross media bar but i'm a little confused about the data pack and what information is ....i even tried going through the information section but still froze?
 
Chimps-with-quiffs said:
It's not the same on the consoles as you delete the file to take you back to 1.00. If the file you delete was the exe to run the game then the wouldn't start
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That's probably a fallback solution to prevent people from screwing up their games.

Chimps-with-quiffs said:
It is also possible that more is installed when you update the game or updated when you run an exe. Just because you are running an exe labelled pes2013 doesn't mean it couldn't be up updating settings in the game elsewhere
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Sorry, but this is not the case. The only place where files can be changed by the exe is the save game folder but there's absolutely nothing in there which could influence the performance or the graphics of the game.
 
Maybe I need to stop ssmoking my shisha

I have been playing Dishonored (great gane btw) for the last few weeks and updated the 38MB patch and again the whole graphical side of the game has been touched up richer colours, less jaggies and overall better graphics. Is this even possible?!
 
I think the game post-patch has generally sharpened up the graphics, on 360 at any rate. The game looks a lot crisper than it did before.
 
I couldn't really say, I've never seen it without the blur effect, but IMO the game looks a lot nicer since the patch. I think sharpness is the only change they've made with the graphics but it makes such a difference, especially in night matches. They do seem to look better somehow.
 
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