PES 2013 Discussion Thread

bitz said:
Perhaps the difference between demo code and full game is due to them trying to balance things for online, screwing it up trying to please everyone.
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This is absolutely spot on in my opinion. I've always maintained that you can't make a game engine that can simultaneously cater for both offline and online. It forces the game to compromise from both sides.

I think most other types of game can handle the transition from single player to online easily because they are extremely separate from one another. Online versions of shooters have their own unique maps, modes etc, as do adventure games like Mass Effect 3 or Unchartered. Online doesn't interfere with the main offline story/adventure.

PES suffers from having the offline and online modes use the same engine. Alter one thing to cater for an offline AI issue, see as that then becomes a weakness that can be exploited online. It's a never ending cycle of compromise between the two modes.

The game was definitely stronger when they focused most of their energy into offline. Sure, there was always local multiplayer like 1v1 but I don't think it was as much as an issue to them back then.
 
Don't think the full version is that much of a downfall. Of course it has its faults but the poor CPU AI of demo 1 was unbearable for me.

Who would agree with me if I said that PES 2013 is the closest to the real thing?
 
bitz said:
Perhaps the difference between demo code and full game is due to them trying to balance things for online, screwing it up trying to please everyone.
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Good point, and PES wouldn't be the first game to suffer from this modus operandi, this generation.
 
Demo 1 compared to Final game is an absolute crap. The A.I. is horrble. The A.I. is completely unaware of what is going on the pitch. I couldn't even finish a match, deleted the demo after 1 half....
 
I no longer have the demo and can't say how it compares to full game overall, but one thing I remember from demo 1 is that speed difference between players was more pronounced and more realistic to me, it was possible to leave markers dead in their tracks using Ronaldo or Walcott whereas slow players really felt slow and the game forced you to pass. With full game 1.00 some sort of catchup bug was introduced, 1.01 made things a little better in the speed department but not like it was in demo 1.
 
ElvisSs said:
Demo 1 compared to Final game is an absolute crap. The A.I. is horrble. The A.I. is completely unaware of what is going on the pitch. I couldn't even finish a match, deleted the demo after 1 half....
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You forget to put in the end one " Trololololololol " ;)

Елвис, нека обобщим ! За теб ГУУД А.И. означава да се пласира неадекватно при атака или защита, да препусна умишлено елементарни топки , противникови играчи , само и само за да си нагласи съответното положение във своя полза .Или обратното , да подава и разиграва с такава точност на моменти , моменти ,които не може да видиш и в научнофантастичните филми ?? Защото от написаното тук, точно това твърдиш !!!

Демото е далеч по насочено към устройството зад геймпада, реално контролираш човечето с КУРсора над главата далеч по адекватно сравнение с финалната версия. Не го усещаш муден, неконтролируем или на моменти все едно от теб не зависи нищо и най доброто действие което може да направиш особено в защита е.. да не правиш абсолютно нищо !
В демото това го няма, в демото разбирам какво е имал в предвид когато Адам казваше че .. нямаш нужда от супер кенсъл защото..е така !Защитата ти е супер отзивчива, особено човека с който играеш , ако разчетеш положението , ако имаш добро футболно IQ имаш шанс да се защитаваш много по успешно с/у А.И. на по висока трудност, може би и затова демото изглеждаше по лесно.

Конами вместо да помислят как да оставят всичко това , и да направят А.И.то по.. правдоподобно и добро, те просто осакатиха футболистите ти , направиха ги полу-идиоти, или направо пълни идиоти които на пръв поглед са контролират от теб , но 70 % от това което става на терена с тях е дело на А.И.то
Това в демото го няма, в демото може да усетиш как играча ти реагира и прави точно това което очакваш и се чувстваш комфортно .
И това е само за А.И. то ... мога да ти напиша цял роман за разликата която усещам в анимациите ...
 
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Just can't find a happy medium with this. Top Player and above has some outrageous scripting and Professional is too easy. Just knocked it down to Professional for a friendly as Sao Paulo v AC Milan, drew 0-0, but I had over 65% of the ball and Milan didn't muster a single effort on goal. Previous game, I won 2-0 again having vastly superior possession, and 16 shots to their 2. Too easy. The only games I don't win on Professional are those that I can't score and I draw 0-0.
 
why oh why are there scripted matches online? it stinks.
poor player switching, poor Ai of your team mates. bad gks.all these problems make the game far worse than it could have been.

if konami put as much effort into the gameplay as they do scripting we would have a belter of a game.
but 4/5 years now of pure utter scripted shite,
 
MUFan23 said:
Who would agree with me if I said that PES 2013 is the closest to the real thing?
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Compared to Fifa 13, I would agree with you.. PES 2013 is the closest thing to the real thing, but compared directly with the real thing there is still quite a gap.

The biggest problem is currently the CPU-AI. It's just not good enough and maybe the current engine limits the AI as well, so that's why on top-player and above cheating is used.

Maybe the new engine next year can offer a much better AI.

The next big problem are the rails, the game when off the ball is too much on rails. I don't feel like I'm enough in control, players automatically run or slow down or use certain angles and I have little say in it.
On the ball though it feels free enough.

The other problem is the missing realtime two-tiered stamina/fatigue-system. To balance this missing feature, Konami seems to have limited topspeed and added some catchup-gamedesign.

Then we have the visual limitations: Animations don't look as good and varied on widecam, detail gets lost, the pitch-textures aren't as good as one wishes them to be, and nightgames look awful...

So I'm curious what next year's game will improve, and try to enjoy this year's version.
 
I agree about the rails. Really hope they fix it on PES 2014. Too often you're chasing a loose ball with the keeper and if it's within a certain range, your player gets pulled up so the keeper can gather the ball!

Played some of the FIFA demo the other night and the striker just got to a bouncing early cross before the keeper on the edge of the 18 yard box and headed it over the keeper into the empty net. Looked fantastic.

Goalkeepers are hopefully close to FIFA's standard (animations wise) on PES 2014. Nightgames must look better and they must allow us to change the time of day for every game we play. If they had that option in now, I'd be playing all my cup games during the day!
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
Just can't find a happy medium with this. Top Player and above has some outrageous scripting and Professional is too easy. Just knocked it down to Professional for a friendly as Sao Paulo v AC Milan, drew 0-0, but I had over 65% of the ball and Milan didn't muster a single effort on goal. Previous game, I won 2-0 again having vastly superior possession, and 16 shots to their 2. Too easy. The only games I don't win on Professional are those that I can't score and I draw 0-0.
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Are you a Sadomasochist? :))
 
NikoLiberty4 said:
Nice to hear that from you!

What about ML? How exactly Konami handled the boots issue?
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When starting a new ML, players will have their real boots or replicas, not the standard plain black boots. Thats All.
You still unlock boots and equip boots and get stats increases exactly the same as you do currently.
 
xPJRx said:
When starting a new ML, players will have their real boots or replicas, not the standard plain black boots. Thats All.
You still unlock boots and equip boots and get stats increases exactly the same as you do currently.
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Thanks. Dissapointed about the stat increases, but it's an improvement after all.
 
for me after playing 3 games mlo since new patch installed,game feels smoother,less frantic dribbling,more natural flowing game,better duels for the ball,dont think its placeboeffect ,best games online since the release, hope it lasts.
 
Think that's that for me and this game now, I've only played the game for a total of about half an hour in the past couple of weeks and thought I'd wait for the patch to come out before ditching it entirely. The game does feel very very marginally different, perhaps a tiny bit slower, but the cheating is still as rampant as ever. Some people are claiming the scripting has been toned down. I really don't see it.

Played a match on Professional, I spent virtually the entire game in possession of the ball. Boring.

Played two matches on Top Player, got cheated out of both games. First, I had 14 shots to 2, 60% of the ball, game ends 2-0 to the CPU with the game scoring its 'sweet spot' goals of low curling shots that spin along the floor past the keeper. I dominate the game, they score with their only efforts on goal of any description.

Second match, I lose 3-1. I pull it back to 1-1, almost instantly like a switch being flicked, the CPU starts pounding one-touch ping pong passes at twice the speed it was before, manages a weak, bobbling header at goal, and this is a new one, my keeper decides while the ball is bouncing towards him that he's more interested in what's going on at the side of the pitch and runs out of his goal, past the ball, then slides and falls over. 2-1.

Third goal, I switched the game off. MY PLAYER is running along the back line with the ball at my feet, just outside my own area, when the CPU hammers me from behind and does an x-rated slide tackle from behind. Red card? Nope. The game awards a FK to the CPU, who then buries the direct free kick into the top corner.

Fucking bullshit. The sheer levels of cheating that goes on is absolutely outrageous. Who in their right mind at Konami thought that people won't mind the game blatantly fucking the gamer over. I waste 15 minutes of my time playing a game only for some shitty code to make my keeper run out of his goal and away from the ball as it bounces towards him? Do me a favour.
 
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Suuuuupertalk said:
Think that's that for me and this game now, I've only played the game for a total of about half an hour in the past couple of weeks and thought I'd wait for the patch to come out before ditching it entirely. The game does feel very very marginally different, perhaps a tiny bit slower, but the cheating is still as rampant as ever. Some people are claiming the scripting has been toned down. I really don't see it.

Played a match on Professional, I spent virtually the entire game in possession of the ball. Boring.

Played two matches on Top Player, got cheated out of both games. First, I had 14 shots to 2, 60% of the ball, game ends 2-0 to the CPU with the game scoring its 'sweet spot' goals of low curling shots that spin along the floor past the keeper. I dominate the game, they score with their only efforts on goal of any description.

Second match, I lose 3-1. I pull it back to 1-1, almost instantly like a switch being flicked, the CPU starts pounding one-touch ping pong passes at twice the speed it was before, manages a weak, bobbling header at goal, and this is a new one, my keeper decides while the ball is bouncing towards him that he's more interested in what's going on at the side of the pitch and runs out of his goal, past the ball, then slides and falls over. 2-1.

Third goal, I switched the game off. MY PLAYER is running along the back line with the ball at my feet, just outside my own area, when the CPU hammers me from behind and does an x-rated slide tackle from behind. Red card? Nope. The game awards a FK to the CPU, who then buries the direct free kick into the top corner.

Fucking bullshit. The sheer levels of cheating that goes on is absolutely outrageous. Who in their right mind at Konami thought that people won't mind the game blatantly fucking the gamer over. I waste 15 minutes of my time playing a game only for some shitty code to make my keeper run out of his goal and away from the ball as it bounces towards him? Do me a favour.
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OMG, let me guess, will you sell the game and buy it again on Christmas???

:LOL:
 
Like every year , Konami release survey to see what me like and love to remove it , and what we hate to give us more from that.
 
Honome said:
OMG, let me guess, will you sell the game and buy it again on Christmas???

:LOL:
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Nope like I said, I'd stopped playing it, waited to see if the patch had done anything about the cheating, which it hasn't, so I've no inclination to play it now. Roll on the new engine.
 
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