PES 2013 Discussion Thread

DuduBR9 said:
When you play against an addicte online player like my brother, you realize that the game is actually absolutetly crap. I played against my brother offline, of course I just lost and draw and I didn't score one single goal, I was not on my good days and I tottaly lost concentation in many times because it's annoying and frustating to play agains someone that makes the game looks like a game for kids.

He hasn't the game yet, but he played exactly like he plays pes 2012. He played with 3 bar and I played with 1, of couse there was advantage. The pace of the match for him was much faster because of the assisted bullshit. But as I said, assisted passing is not the only problem and the mos annoying for me. The biggest problem is the complete lack of challenge and a minimum football logic and even physics to defend because of two things: second pessure and the VERY poor physics on this game. It amazes me the fact that an old game for ps2 (WE9) makes so much more logic, it's so much more realistic than these games today in a huge aspect of any collective sport that is defending. There's absolutely no foul when you are chasing a player putting your weight on him, there's no foul for pushing, for pressuring from behind the back of a player, the player being pressured doesn't loose balance, when your opponent hold down the pessure button and catch your player shoulder by shoulder or at his back, his player literally sticks on yours for more than 2 secounds and there's no consequence in this stupid agressive way of defending, the game encourages constant and non stop sprinting towards the player with the ball with the same agressive as an american football or a rugby player has because there's simply no consequences. It's so easy to make this game become a mess and a childish game with some quick assisted passing 1-2 and this ilogic way of defenging. The matchs against my brother were nothing more and less than pes 2012 with slower gameplay. The thinges that work in pes 2012 also work with pes 2013, so facing someone 1-1, an expience cheap player is essentiatlly the same in both games. Something that I LOVED about WE9 and it's gone in football games is how much scary was marking a player in dangerous areas close to your goal. In real life player avoid to be too agressive and making tackles desperetly when the opponent is around the box for obvious reasons, this is missing in this childish football games of nowadays...

Pes has serious problems with the defending part of the game. The game will not become football, will not force people to THINK like football until they don't bring back the classic defending logic (very realistic) of we9 in wich there ARE acctually RISKS for sprinting non stop so agressively towards the player on the ball, second pressure is also big joke, there's no physics and different animation reaction for players loosing balance, being pushed and getting fouls as they deserve. And about passing, come on, make assisted like bar 1 the only choice if you want to play assisted, it's enough assisted, it has no problem at all, it doesn't have a huge learning cuve.

I told my brother that playing against him in 1 bar using football logic against an addicted online player like him that plays with 3 bars is a huge different. I used this pararell: it's like our challenge is the same(we have to score a goal duh), but let's assume that we are at the gym and we are making he same execise, but while I'm carrying to carry 300kg you are jus carying 25k(don't know how to ranfer this to pounds lol).
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Absolutely spot on
 
yeah, pes 5 had the real "first touch control" thing where you had to get the finger out of the sprin button and where great players could do wonders even if they were slow. Then pes 6 introduced the new concepts of "sprinting whores" "cutback to death" where speed and dribbling were the only things you needed. pes 2013 is no different, it is a more refined pes6 experience (on line wise).

Even the often criticized tackle dynamic was great in pes5: if you did not time it correctly it resulted in a fault, just like in real life. You had to be wise...

All concepts of simulations that were taken away to please the massed of abusive teen agers that play videogames.

Another one: penalties...they were great in pes 2010 and 2011. they dumbed down to a ridicolous point.

They won't have ball to reintroduce first touch control and tackling like they were in pes5 though. they have embraced the arcade root ever since pes6. And they also try to make the game look as ugly as it can possibly be.
 
do you guys know how to fix that "another user's option file" thing when copying an option file? Something about it being unusable in some games and trophies locked. I have the latest data pack installed.

EDIT: Nevermind, fixed, just had to delete my previous edit data file.
 
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Suuuuupertalk said:
I'm on Xbox, so none of the stat patches or anything would apply I'm affraid.

I'm further into my ML and everyone in the league is still only scoring 1 goal per game. Have to go through three weeks of full Div2 results lists for the last time anyone in my division scored more than one goal in a game, with the exception of course being when the CPU plays me.
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I will start a ML tomorrow and see if it is the same on ps3. I hope it isn't as i am finding the ps3 version better than the pc version. That was one of the problems that killed the game for me last year, too many high scoring games.
 
Isslander said:
do you guys know how to fix that "another user's option file" thing when copying an option file? Something about it being unusable in some games and trophies locked. I have the latest data pack installed.

EDIT: Nevermind, fixed, just had to delete my previous edit data file.
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I would have suggested deleting the system file but good to see you fixed it anyway!
 
Chimps-with-quiffs said:
I am loving the game too and especially the crossing.

I have been playing a lot of national games and used France quite a bit. If you get the ball with Debuchy and cross in early with L1, he whips in cracking crosses.

I don't have an internet connection until next week, so still haven't been able to download an option file or konami patch.
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Good to see you back Chimps, any plans for a better gameplay option file from you this year?
 
Just saw the worst example of how the special PES advantage rule works. I fouled a player, ref signals advantage. I make sure I don't make contact with the ball, and one of their players tracks back to collect it. Instant whistle - He was offside. My ball. Oh dear.
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
I play my games with a pair of 5.1 headphones, if you search on here you'll find a really useful thread from a while ago, it really helped me.

I personally use the Tritton AX720 headphones, they come with a receiver box that plugs between the Xbox and headphones. Turtle Beach ones are great too and work pretty much in the same way. It is simulated surround sound but I think it's fantastic. In PES the Dolby digital doesn't really make any difference but other games like Skyrim or Battlefield 3, you can really hear sounds from all around you and be able to know where it's coming from without seeing first.

I've tried plugging them into the optical out on my tv but nope, all I get is stereo. You'll need to plug them into an adapter to use on 360. On PS3 it's fine, it just plugs into the optical out but I think for the 5.1 to work, it needs to be going directly to the console and not the TV. But that might just be my TV that has issues with that.
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Thanks man. I'll check it out. To be honest, I'd probably even be happy with a really nice sounding pair of stereo headphones. I remember hooking up my existing headphones to a projector when I watched the Dark Knight and it sounded great. I just wish I could set up a proper 5.1 speaker setup where my TV is!

This DSS processor I was looking at SHOULD be able to convert stereo to virtual surround I'm guessing but if not, I need another cable to get optical out from my Xbox. I have a 120Gig Elite model and there's no optical out from what I can see and I only have the Composite Cable (which I don't use), plus my own HDMI cable that I do use with it.
 
CalcioCalabrese said:
Thanks man. I'll check it out. To be honest, I'd probably even be happy with a really nice sounding pair of stereo headphones. I remember hooking up my existing headphones to a projector when I watched the Dark Knight and it sounded great. I just wish I could set up a proper 5.1 speaker setup where my TV is!

This DSS processor I was looking at SHOULD be able to convert stereo to virtual surround I'm guessing but if not, I need another cable to get optical out from my Xbox. I have a 120Gig Elite model and there's no optical out from what I can see and I only have the Composite Cable (which I don't use), plus my own HDMI cable that I do use with it.
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A DSS box should work, that's what the Turtle Beach 5.1 headphones come with otherwise I think they're just a regular pair of headphones. My Tritton ones use a different technology but it's the same basic setup, the headphones connect to a virtual 5.1 box and the box goes into your console using a digital optical cable.

You're right, there is no optical output socket on my 360 either, but you can get a little adapter that allows you to plug it in. My Tritton headphones came with an adapter too.

Sorry for the off-topic!
 
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DuduBR9 said:
When you play against an addicte online player like my brother, you realize that the game is actually absolutetly crap. I played against my brother offline, of course I just lost and draw and I didn't score one single goal, I was not on my good days and I tottaly lost concentation in many times because it's annoying and frustating to play agains someone that makes the game looks like a game for kids.

He hasn't the game yet, but he played exactly like he plays pes 2012. He played with 3 bar and I played with 1, of couse there was advantage. The pace of the match for him was much faster because of the assisted bullshit. But as I said, assisted passing is not the only problem and the most annoying thing for me. The biggest problem is the complete lack of challenge and a minimum football logic and even physics logic to defend because of two things: second pessure and the VERY poor physics on this game. It amazes me the fact that an old game for ps2 (WE9) makes so much more logic, it's so much more realistic than these modern games in a huge aspect of any collective sport such as defending. There's absolutely no foul when you are chasing a player putting your weight on him, there's no foul for pushing, for pressuring from behind the back of a player, the player being pressured doesn't loose balance, when your opponent hold down the pessure button and catch your player shoulder by shoulder or at his back, his player literally sticks on yours for more than 2 secounds and there's no consequence in this stupidly agressive way of defending, the game encourages constant and non-stop sprinting towards the player with the ball almost with the same agressiveness as an american football or a rugby player has because there's simply no consequences (risks). It's so easy to make this game become a mess and a childish game with some quick assisted passing 1-2 and this ilogic way of defenging. The matchs against my brother were nothing more and less than pes 2012 with slower gameplay. The things that work in pes 2012 also work with pes 2013, so facing someone 1-1, an expience cheap player is essentiatlly the same in both games. Something that I LOVED about WE9 and it's gone in football games is how much scary was marking a player in dangerous areas close to your goal. In real life players avoid to be too agressive and making tackles desperetly when the opponent is around the box (for obvious reasons), this is missing in this childish football games of nowadays...

Pes has serious problems with the defending part of the game. The game will not become football, will not force people to THINK like football until they don't bring back the classic defending logic (very realistic) of we9 in wich there ARE acctually RISKS for sprinting non stop so agressively towards the player on the ball, second pressure is also big joke, there's no physics and different animation reaction for players loosing balance, being pushed and getting fouls as they deserve. And about passing, come on, make assisted like bar 1 the only choice if you want to play assisted, it's enough assisted, it has no problem at all, it doesn't have a huge learning cuve.

I told my brother that playing against him in 1 bar using football logic against an addicted online player like him that plays with 3 bars is a huge difference. I used this pararell: it's like our challenge is the same (we have to score a goal duh), but let's assume that we are at the gym and we are making the same execise, but while I'm trying to carry 300kg you are just carying 25k(don't know how to ranfer this to pounds lol), or it's like our goal is going to the same place on a map but while he just needs to go sraiht forward, in my case I almost has to pass through a labyrinth first lol.
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Its almost the same problem as with FIFA, if you play manual, you can get quite decent game, but if you play auto its crap.

PES has of course problem with defending, its pathetic, how the defending works, it simply is broken, I cant really tell anything else.
Defenders dont react to through balls that are going right through their legs, but there are also a lot of other problems with defending and AI generally - the best you will see when you play online Coach mode, what the hell are players performing on the pitch if you watch the whole game is beyond anything I ve ever seen in any football game.

Also if you play Be a legend mode and you play just for one player you have to suffer AI logic of your teammates, sometimes I just scream : What the fucky are you doing ? Their absolute unlogic choices makes you throw controller out of your hands.
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
I'm on Xbox, so none of the stat patches or anything would apply I'm affraid.

I'm further into my ML and everyone in the league is still only scoring 1 goal per game. Have to go through three weeks of full Div2 results lists for the last time anyone in my division scored more than one goal in a game, with the exception of course being when the CPU plays me.
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geeeeee said:
I will start a ML tomorrow and see if it is the same on ps3. I hope it isn't as i am finding the ps3 version better than the pc version. That was one of the problems that killed the game for me last year, too many high scoring games.
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I started a quick ML this morning on ps3 and everything seems fine. After the first 3 games, some teams have scored 1 some have 5 or 6. I checked out Spanish league and Real Madrid have scored 10! So everything seems ok on ps3 :))
 
You just want too much from this game.Again, you cannot compare pes 2013 to Pes 2012. Pes 2012 was crap even at 0 assistance bars, it was too fast, every player was so agile and there was no sense of weight to the ball and players while moving.

You know, even the greatest game if exploited can be crap, because there is no such a thing as the perfect game.

I suggest you to play pes 2012 at 0 bars assistance then play pes 2013 with the same settings. Look at the huge gameplay difference between the two games then we can speak.
 
DuduBR9 said:
When you play against an addicte online player like my brother, you realize that the game is actually absolutetly crap. I played against my brother offline, of course I just lost and draw and I didn't score one single goal, I was not on my good days and I tottaly lost concentation in many times because it's annoying and frustating to play agains someone that makes the game looks like a game for kids.

He hasn't the game yet, but he played exactly like he plays pes 2012. He played with 3 bar and I played with 1, of couse there was advantage. The pace of the match for him was much faster because of the assisted bullshit. But as I said, assisted passing is not the only problem and the most annoying thing for me. The biggest problem is the complete lack of challenge and a minimum football logic and even physics logic to defend because of two things: second pessure and the VERY poor physics on this game. It amazes me the fact that an old game for ps2 (WE9) makes so much more logic, it's so much more realistic than these modern games in a huge aspect of any collective sport such as defending. There's absolutely no foul when you are chasing a player putting your weight on him, there's no foul for pushing, for pressuring from behind the back of a player, the player being pressured doesn't loose balance, when your opponent hold down the pessure button and catch your player shoulder by shoulder or at his back, his player literally sticks on yours for more than 2 secounds and there's no consequence in this stupidly agressive way of defending, the game encourages constant and non-stop sprinting towards the player with the ball almost with the same agressiveness as an american football or a rugby player has because there's simply no consequences (risks). It's so easy to make this game become a mess and a childish game with some quick assisted passing 1-2 and this ilogic way of defenging. The matchs against my brother were nothing more and less than pes 2012 with slower gameplay. The things that work in pes 2012 also work with pes 2013, so facing someone 1-1, an expience cheap player is essentiatlly the same in both games. Something that I LOVED about WE9 and it's gone in football games is how much scary was marking a player in dangerous areas close to your goal. In real life players avoid to be too agressive and making tackles desperetly when the opponent is around the box (for obvious reasons), this is missing in this childish football games of nowadays...

Pes has serious problems with the defending part of the game. The game will not become football, will not force people to THINK like football until they don't bring back the classic defending logic (very realistic) of we9 in wich there ARE acctually RISKS for sprinting non stop so agressively towards the player on the ball, second pressure is also big joke, there's no physics and different animation reaction for players loosing balance, being pushed and getting fouls as they deserve. And about passing, come on, make assisted like bar 1 the only choice if you want to play assisted, it's enough assisted, it has no problem at all, it doesn't have a huge learning cuve.

I told my brother that playing against him in 1 bar using football logic against an addicted online player like him that plays with 3 bars is a huge difference. I used this pararell: it's like our challenge is the same (we have to score a goal duh), but let's assume that we are at the gym and we are making the same execise, but while I'm trying to carry 300kg you are just carying 25k(don't know how to ranfer this to pounds lol), or it's like our goal is going to the same place on a map but while he just needs to go sraiht forward, in my case I almost has to pass through a labyrinth first lol.
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Ive been battered into submission because this is all i face online.

Everytime i get the 'stick on defender' which, inevitably, will lead to me losing the ball, i dive, which doesnt work 100% of the time either.

No doubt 'the best' PES 2013 players will be pimpin everything that is cheap about assisted gameplay that is possible
 
Miro said:
Its almost the same problem as with FIFA, if you play manual, you can get quite decent game, but if you play auto its crap.

PES has of course problem with defending, its pathetic, how the defending works, it simply is broken, I cant really tell anything else.
Defenders dont react to through balls that are going right through their legs, but there are also a lot of other problems with defending and AI generally - the best you will see when you play online Coach mode, what the hell are players performing on the pitch if you watch the whole game is beyond anything I ve ever seen in any football game.

Also if you play Be a legend mode and you play just for one player you have to suffer AI logic of your teammates, sometimes I just scream : What the fucky are you doing ? Their absolute unlogic choices makes you throw controller out of your hands.
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Yes. In fact, it's not rare to see balls that should be easy to inecept passing through players legs, this actually happens too often because there's simply no excuse for a professional player to not intercep those passes regardless their individual abilties.

But what makes me more annoyed is how is the most effecive and succesfull way of defending on this game tha everyone puts in practice without any skills and football knowledge, wich is simply sprinting non stop towards the player on the ball, the game encourages this as I said previously.

Another thing very weird that I notice when I play against my brother is how players have pace and breath to "follow" the ball without getting tired (there should be also a staminia bar in short-term runs that players need to almost stop or simply walk to recover their energy).

There's another "cheap" way of defenging that my brother use (he learns these things playing online) against me that is trying to "guess" to whom I will make the pass, and the problem here is how quickly a player can change direction and sprint from one of my players to another, this required from me too much (unecessary) concenration. Example: I try to pass to a player that was unmarked, and the poblem is that in less than one second (I'm not kidding, it is THAT fast), as soon as he (my brother) notice that I will pass to this player that at first was unmarked, even before the ball reachs this player there's already an opponent player sprinting like crazy and getting into the path of the ball in front of my player because of this non sense non-stop sprinting atitude. There's somethin REALLY unbalanced here when sprinting without the ball while defending....
 
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Not defending the game, but playing 1 bars against 3, your obviously going to have bad games and if your brother doesn't get that you should... well not play him anymore. You should both go to zero bars for a better experience.
 
Can someone please clarify...is there a 'maximum funds' and 'master negotiaor' option in ML this year? I can't seem to find it, but I wouldn't imagine they would remove it, as after all it was optional!!!
 
@dudu

i wrote it several times, game went to copy fifa since 011
012 is a bad fifa copy

no surprise here that u write that players can change direction too fast..

15 min and -1 helps i need to say..
 
I just lost a post that I made about agressiveness in defendin and etc.

Here is the video I tried to post about we9... lots of good examples in wich sprinting too agresively towards a player increase substantially the possibility of conceding a foul, and that's what I am missing. Enough with this non-stop sprinting and pressuring, too agressive atitude that football games encourage nowadays, it's not realistic and specially not FAIR.

YouTube - México Vs Argentina - Winning Eleven 9

4:17, 4:29 (shoulder by shoulde battle, in pes 2013 a player would stick on the other for 2 secounds or longer, the player being pressured would stumble, and I wouldn't doubt that nothing would happen and the atacker would win the ball UNfairly and would score, unpunished agressiveness), 4:45, 6:07, 6:33 (two players on one man), 6:37 (sprinting towards the player to agressive and miss the tackle), 8:51 (tackling from behind, the defender pressuring the attacker can no magically disposses without foul since he is behind the player and it's vey hard to touch the ball without touch his feet first), 12:9 and etc...

See, this is what I want back. We9 is a game that punish the too agressive mentalty that we see online. Enough with this non stop sprinting, this anti-fairplay game. For at least 90% of online players, it seems that to them is an absurd the fact that their opponent have the ball under possession for more than 2 seconds.
 
I downloaded paul2478's option file and started a ML with Liverpool, as bare boned as I could for it to resemble a typical PES league from ye olden days. Lost my first 4 games, plus the 5th one in the Europa League, where I had the game in my hands but lost at the final second, there was some cursing at this point, and I was not happy with the game.

Then I won Reading with basically a second team (right after nationals) and had a tight game against Celtic. They equalized late and I fully expected a last second win where I would murder my dualshock soon after. However, I got a quick counter, ball reached Yesil who I had just put on, he went between 2 defenders with some R2 magic and buried it in the lower right corner. I stood up, celebrated, and suddenly loved PES again.
 
I think my (roughly 17 year) love affair with PES is over.
I started falling out of love with 09, rekindled my love in 10, only to break up again in 11,12 and now 13
The game is just so rigid and stiff.
There are some good bits but my negatives outweigh the good bits.
I hope that this sexy fox (engine) will bring me back.
 
I think I need to stop playing my ML with these default players, usually it's a laugh but this year it's terrible. They simply can't play football in any way. In fact, you can't even change basic, tiny amounts of direction without the guy on the ball completely stopping still or falling over.

And the goals I'm conceding are bizarre at best. I conceded a goal from a back pass to the keeper when I charged the bar to near full, yet my player just tapped the ball about three inches then ran the other way. Every time I seem to play the ball wide, they run past the ball completely, and when I try defending there is sometimes some weird 'barrier' for lack of a better expression, which actively blocks you from getting close to the tackle. It's not my imagination. I went in for one tackle in my penalty area, he missed it completely, then then game made him run five yards wide of the player even though I still had control of him and was trying to make him go the other way. I managed to eventually turn around when the ball deflected to another player, but then the game had some kind of invisible barrier between me and the attacker that my defender kind of ran around, which maintained a couple of feet at all times between him and the attacker. Really bizarre.

Seriously Konami, playing ML and beginning with the default players was my favourite thing in PES, and you've removed all the fun from that too. They now have no personality or persona, and have made them SO shit that the game wrestles with the user to prevent you from moving your players properly. Really? Is this supposed to make players seem worse than others? By fucking with the player's controls?
 
Ameppe said:
You just want too much from this game.Again, you cannot compare pes 2013 to Pes 2012. Pes 2012 was crap even at 0 assistance bars, it was too fast, every player was so agile and there was no sense of weight to the ball and players while moving.

You know, even the greatest game if exploited can be crap, because there is no such a thing as the perfect game.

I suggest you to play pes 2012 at 0 bars assistance then play pes 2013 with the same settings. Look at the huge gameplay difference between the two games then we can speak.
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No we dont, especially, when all this could work 10 years ago I dont simply get it why notin year 2012, and mostly , all of this what we are complaining about are making this game unplayable online, which means this game is losing custmers, because online is the most important thing these days for every sport game
 
I've seen that complaint that online is unplayable, but I'm finding that to be so untrue.

I've not really played MLO, but Player and Ranked matches are fine for me when there's no lag.

If people use Madrid/Barca and whore Ronaldo/Messi and mash the through ball button then they are most likely going to score, but fairly often I'm having 60-40 possession and the shot count in my favour, but I feel that eventually I may be able to prevent some of the goals I'm leaking and create more good chances.

Also, 2 of the 4 Ranked matches I've played have been against opponents with zero pass assistance, I thought that search filter wouldn't work, maybe I've just been lucky!

In PES 2011 though I truly felt I could beat anybody I came up against, because a tactical/varied playing style was so uncommon that people didn't even try to defend against anything other than the typical lame football 99% of online players use. That was mainly down to being able to stretch the play using long passing, which is screwed this year so it does seem more noob friendly.
 
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geeeeee said:
Good to see you back Chimps, any plans for a better gameplay option file from you this year?
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Cheers. If I do, I will be asking if I can update either GTM's option file or WENB's

At present I havent got the net as I have recently moved. Once I get the latest patches on and an option file I will look into it

I know I want to look at stamina of forwards as they are all almost 20 below all the other players wich leads to them being knacker by 70 minutes
 
Bloody hell manual shooting is brutallly hard. Trying to play online and my shots to goalratio is woeful. Create bags of chances but can't hit the target and when I do the keeper is there to block.
 
zeemeister said:
Bloody hell manual shooting is brutallly hard. Trying to play online and my shots to goalratio is woeful. Create bags of chances but can't hit the target and when I do the keeper is there to block.
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Manual shooting on FIFA is a LOT harder trust me, also manual passing, so I dont have really big problem to get use to manual shooting on PES, but still, manual is what is making PES better game, AUTO shooting is very arcade on PES and requires no skill at all.
 
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