PES 2013 Discussion Thread

Suuuuupertalk said:
Whoa does turning off the game mid-match award the game a 4-0 win even in offline ML? That's ridiculous. Imagine something like Halo 4 punishing the player by returning him to the start of the game, or removing all his guns if you turn the console off before saving at a checkpoint. It's stupid.
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Yes, it is mind boggling isn't it? They called it "anti-cheating" feature which you could turn on/off and I had accidentally started a ML with it ON. It was on the PS2 days when it happened to me. Basically the game recorded in your memory card a 4-0 defeat before each ML match. And then it auto-saved after the match, overwriting it with the actual result of the match.

I don't know what happens today though. If this ML auto-save would do a similar thing to you. But you're point is just as valid: what if you do a major cock up in the transfer market and cannot go back?... I know I had my share, and had to load my file up again a few times.

wiesl said:
This happens only if you turn the option on. In Germany it is called "Zurücksetzen verhindern". This will count games which you did quit as victory of your opponent. By default this option is off.
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Yes, that's the anti-cheating option. In older versions, you could turn it ON/OFF and was OFF by default.
But now you cannot toggle it ON/OFF. So the question that begs is: does this autosave feature present in PES 2013 do the same?

If anyone can confirm this, would be much appreciated. But don't try it on a Cup Final, ok? ;)
 
Is there now officially more people moaning about PES than praising it on this forum? This is just a discussion thread but it reads like a rage thread. Perhaps that's why there is no rage thread this time? There's no need for one because EVERY thread is filled with complaints!

Surely even the diehard PES fans, like I used to be before Konami ruined it, must now start to admit there is something seriously wrong with PES?

If someone who had never played PES before came in here and read a few pages they would be wondering why the hell ANYONE plays this game. It's broken and only half finished by nearly all accounts.

Any other type of game with this myriad of flaws would be left on the shelves to gather dust and would never see the light of day again but this is a football game and therefore it gets WAY more leeway than any other title in any other genre because football fans want a football game to play NO......MATTER......WHAT.

If you bought a chocolate bar which turned out to be a dog turd in a fancy wrapper would you go out and buy that same bar again simply because it said "NEW IMPROVED RECIPE" on the packaging? Or because some gushing PR monkey on the payroll told you it was the best thing he'd ever tasted?

I love(d) PES and I want it to get back to the quality it was before. The only way to do that IMO is to stop buying the inferior products Konami put on the shelves every year. Buying the game then coming on here to moan about it year after year will change NOTHING.

Even if you disagree with me and enjoy the PES gameplay you must still concede that Konami should be trying a LOT harder in all other areas regarding this game. The modes, the online, the Master League (how long now have we been banging on about changing the fucking ML?), the graphics, the animation, the BAL, the scripting, the AI....just pretty much EVERYTHING even if you DO like the way it plays!

Konami only care about your cash. Stop handing it over to them blindly every 12 months and they might, just might, do something about the current state of PES.

RANT OVER. :P
 
rentboy> Aren't there two options now? "Autosave On/Off" and "Reset prevent feature". Automatic 3-0 losses for interrupted matches (power failures, resets, hangups, rage quits, etc.) should be awarded only if you activate the latter one. Autosave alone doesn't do that.
 
pj_puttz said:
Is there now officially more people moaning about PES than praising it on this forum? This is just a discussion thread but it reads like a rage thread. Perhaps that's why there is no rage thread this time? There's no need for one because EVERY thread is filled with complaints!

Surely even the diehard PES fans, like I used to be before Konami ruined it, must now start to admit there is something seriously wrong with PES?

If someone who had never played PES before came in here and read a few pages they would be wondering why the hell ANYONE plays this game. It's broken and only half finished by nearly all accounts.

Any other type of game with this myriad of flaws would be left on the shelves to gather dust and would never see the light of day again but this is a football game and therefore it gets WAY more leeway than any other title in any other genre because football fans want a football game to play NO......MATTER......WHAT.

If you bought a chocolate bar which turned out to be a dog turd in a fancy wrapper would you go out and buy that same bar again simply because it said "NEW IMPROVED RECIPE" on the packaging? Or because some gushing PR monkey on the payroll told you it was the best thing he'd ever tasted?

I love(d) PES and I want it to get back to the quality it was before. The only way to do that IMO is to stop buying the inferior products Konami put on the shelves every year. Buying the game then coming on here to moan about it year after year will change NOTHING.

Even if you disagree with me and enjoy the PES gameplay you must still concede that Konami should be trying a LOT harder in all other areas regarding this game. The modes, the online, the Master League (how long now have we been banging on about changing the fucking ML?), the graphics, the animation, the BAL, the scripting, the AI....just pretty much EVERYTHING even if you DO like the way it plays!

Konami only care about your cash. Stop handing it over to them blindly every 12 months and they might, just might, do something about the current state of PES.

RANT OVER. :P
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People like to moan on internet forums its always been this way.

PES the game is stunning. It just needs better game modes.

I am happy with it.
 
Jamezinho said:
I'm still pissed off about league mode, more so now I've read that it is IN the PSP version.
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Thats a complete joke. I'm really going to avoid pes next year, unless it is top notch of course covering aspects. In future, everytime I get carried away for pes 2014 (it's bound to happen) I will just have to remember pes 2013 debacle.

I like this years gameplay, I really do, but I could live without the game to be honest because of the lack of modes and care. I could of just played the demo from time to time.
 
On the surface this is a decent game as it feels much better than its predecessor, but it wont last a year for me I'm afraid. I'm allready getting tired of it and begin to feel that the fact I liked the game in the beginning was very much placebo, just as last year. The dribbling is very bothersome for me, just cant get over the superfast unhuman body turns. You can not turn so smoothly in a full circle in reality unless you have really tight control. So why can every one do it? Ball retention is childs plays, with the dribbling and the passing, you have so much range of movement your too quick with the ball, everyone is so good at it. The dribbling is just so similar in everyone, I can just as easily run out and take it pass 2 people with pepe as I can with ramos, wheres the individuality? And setting the gamespeed lower just feels like playing under water. Instead of fixing the real issues with dribbling I think Konami just implemented a catch up bug and cheats from opponents as they never want to pressure you or give away any space up front. This for example can never ever happen in Pes 2013: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iNTBjKb3hbA#!

And the R2 drag-dribble is just totally ridicilous, just what the fuck.. Stupid silly animation, R2 tight control should just be tight control and not draging the ball like in freaking futsal. Its just marketing bullshit that destroys the game. Konami has to implement much more fluid and weighted gameplay. I would like a manual dribbling option, where it becomes harder to hold on to the ball and turn, but easier with better players.

When in possession of the ball opponents just react so illocigal. Areas where they could press me they just back of like they are afraid. I just cant feel the magic of world class players or utilise their technique or passes since the opposition wont pressure or surround you but just back off and cover space. Its realistic to an extent but not in a natural way, it becomes too easy to hold the ball in midfield but at the same time very hard to pull of a through ball since the opponents are just too conservative and unactive. Generally the through balls does not feel good or rewarding.

I could go on and on about how much that feels retarded, but I guess its enough for now. I dont want to ruin anyones experience but seriously this is far away from simulation. Maybe I have too high expectations but Konami really has that potential yet still they make the game too simple and fifa-ish.

Next year, next year, next year..
 
Benni said:
People like to moan on internet forums its always been this way.

PES the game is stunning. It just needs better game modes.

I am happy with it.
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I agree that people like to come onto forums to vent their spleen but this is a forum for fans of the PES series, the hardcore element who love PES, yet over the last few years there have been gradually more complaints than praise and this year (I think) is worse than ever.

Time was 99% of folks would come on here to trade ML stories, tips, strategies, editing info and all sort of other positive stuff. Granted that still happens but now most people are also here to complain about the game. A lot.

Good on you if you're happy with it but a quick look around this forum shows you that quite a lot of people are not happy at all. Most people agree with you that PES needs more game modes and have been very vocal in saying so for years now so why haven't Konami listened? Doesn't that annoy you even a wee bit?

Now we learn that the PSP version has a league mode when the other versions dont! Is there no end to Konami's madness? Just what is going on?

It's all about tolerance as well as personal preference I guess. Most people admit that PES needs an overhaul in one way or another but some are prepared to put up with that just to play a football game and some are not. Fair enough.

I just think we should be using a bit of people power to focus Konami into making a football game deserving of the name PES rather than putting up with their half arsed efforts. The only way to do that is to stop buying products we think could and should be much, MUCH better than they are. After all, isn't that why a lot of you dont buy FIFA?

Are Konami seriously telling us they couldn't put in a league mode this year or that the fans didn't want one? Or are they saying "Oops! Forgot the league mode! Fuck it, they'll buy it anyway and we can either stick it in a data pack to make people think they're getting something for nothing or put it back in next year to make people think they're getting an improvement."? It's clearly a flagrant disregard for us, the loyal customers, which is why I'm so pissed off with them.

It's also why I have not bought PES this year for the first time since the Super Nintendo days of ISS. I refuse to be ripped off by Konami. Look around you at some of the games out there and ask whether PES is up to that standard. Is PES 2013 really a game worthy to grace the current tech? I think not.

:COAT:
 
In spite of its shortcomings, such as a missing league mode and trite master league, it's hard to ignore that on the field this game arguably plays the best game of football this generation though.
 
zlac said:
rentboy> Aren't there two options now? "Autosave On/Off" and "Reset prevent feature". Automatic 3-0 losses for interrupted matches (power failures, resets, hangups, rage quits, etc.) should be awarded only if you activate the latter one. Autosave alone doesn't do that.
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I haven't gone through all menus and didn't start a ML, so I don't know.

Maybe (hopefully) the Reset Prevent Feature option is there to be turned off. And I hope it's not in any way related to the general Autosave feature.
But from what Suuuuupertalk says, you simply cannot turn Autosave off.
 
Rentboy said:
I haven't gone through all menus and didn't start a ML, so I don't know.

Maybe (hopefully) the Reset Prevent Feature option is there to be turned off. And I hope it's not in any way related to the general Autosave feature.
But from what Suuuuupertalk says, you simply cannot turn Autosave off.
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I don't think you can. Another total schoolboy-error.
 
Pere Ubu said:
Just had yet another potentially lovely online game completely ruined by Konami fixing matches to create "excitement".

I never play randoms, only people I know from various leagues/communities, so theoretically every game should be great. Unfortunately even these matches are shit 50% of the time because one side suddenly gets a magical handicap and the attentions of a laughably biased ref... on this occasion we were 20 minutes into a fantastic match when a goal triggered one of the "momentum" scripts or whatever the hell it is, and suddenly it didn't matter where I aimed my passes, they'd change direction and roll perfectly to the nearest opposition player. Seriously, almost every pass, onto his toe so accurately that he didn't even have to take a step in either direction to receive it. Now I'm not saying I'm the best PES player in the world, but one thing I can do is pass the ball. And this wasn't me passing the ball.

totally agree m8 spot on.
why on earth there is scripting when playing somebody online is beyond me its a joke. played 6 games today online, 4 were utter scripted bias cheating
you name it crap.at times stats have nothing to do with this game.
since playing this game and more over online, there are three things you must do. which by the way i don't but seems the majority do. is
1) play as real madrid they are the new barca in this game. the game online is so biased towards em its untrue.
2) hit long balls over the top or down the middle for ronaldo 99% he will get to them.
3) foul at all costs the refs are biased towrds them its again untrue.
also if playing against them and useing a team say man city that i play as
watch for the player select not selecting yourr players as it should, when passing or shooting players on your side not always responding to the controllerand the most infuriating thing in this game, players on your team under ai control running away or standing still when there is a loose ball near them. this has been the same for the last 3 years, bloody hell konami you lazy gits get it fixed. its totally unrealistic. again this could be a brilliant game but its as if they cant be arsed sometimes and have a like it or lump it attitude. which to me is not what i expected of people from there country.!!!!
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OK, it's PES Spot The Ball...

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Coach pep said:
And the R2 drag-dribble is just totally ridicilous, just what the fuck.. Stupid silly animation, R2 tight control should just be tight control and not draging the ball like in freaking futsal. Its just marketing bullshit that destroys the game.
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:WORSHIP:
I mean, hold on, how can this thing surpass all the phases of the development and so many people involved in the whole process?
 
I agree with the vs human cheating/scripting/momentum. It´s unbearable, inexcusable when it works against you, or for you. The feeling of disgust when facing only through balls morons online and losing heavily because of player response not there, simple passes going to opposition feet, and overall feeling of restraint in every aspect of teamwork and control, makes me want to break every fucking thing around me for long periods of time... I wanna be responsible for my actions and choices, and be punished/rewarded for it. Not repeatedly being massacred by exploiters or 9 year olds who don´t even know the basics of the sport, but can send through balls and score easily if the game"wants" it to be so. Time to make a serious ballsy representation of the sport. I wanna have fun playing football, not PES (or FIFA, by the way).
 
I'm having great fun with PES 2013, the gameplay is on another level to anything I've played before - I haven't played any game modes as such, not even MLO or ranked matches, instead I just play 15 minute "Player Match" games on zero assistance with a variety of teams and tactics.

I'm finding free time a rare commodity in recent weeks, with uni work and my job (working in a cinema with a new Bond film isn't the best way to spend a Friday night!) so I can't commit to games in the same way I could previously, so I'm finding just having a few random games now and again mixed in with a bit of mayhem on Battlefield keeps me occupied :).
 
I have a question concerning the online mode.

When you play online, do both halfs feel fluent, like if you were playing a match against your mate offline or is it that the one half that you host is fluent and the other half, hosted by your opponent, is a bit delayed/laggy?
 
Me!TheRaven said:
I agree with the vs human cheating/scripting/momentum. It´s unbearable, inexcusable when it works against you, or for you. The feeling of disgust when facing only through balls morons online and losing heavily because of player response not there, simple passes going to opposition feet, and overall feeling of restraint in every aspect of teamwork and control, makes me want to break every fucking thing around me for long periods of time... I wanna be responsible for my actions and choices, and be punished/rewarded for it. Not repeatedly being massacred by exploiters or 9 year olds who don´t even know the basics of the sport, but can send through balls and score easily if the game"wants" it to be so. Time to make a serious ballsy representation of the sport. I wanna have fun playing football, not PES (or FIFA, by the way).
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Exactly, online is mess, I am playing MLO, if you have clean connection, then it is a joy to play, otherwise its nonsense, that is seriously damaging your mental health :-), offline this game is great football experience with lots of flaws, but still great, online its ...
And also the game has problem with so called speed merchants small players like Aguero, Lavezzi and co.,

why I almost dont see players like Terry , Ferdinand, Vidic in MLO teams ?
Because they are useless cause of their lack of speed,
Everyone is just smashing through balls like crazy , or running with those halfmen through your defense and if you have bad connection then god be with you , it cant be stopped.

Of course the shooting is overpewered, so you see Aguero constantly scoring 25 yards screamers every game , this is laughable.

On the other hand players like Adebayor are almost useless and no one wants them cause headers are broken.
 
I have Cardozo upfront, like to play patiently and involve fullbacks, trying to get superiority in the flanks, and cross plenty, it is pointless, most times. In 80 games Cardozo scored 64 goals, two of them(two!!!) were headed balls. Salpingidis (wee man) with less games has striker has scored 4, because he has the super sub card shit, and when i´m in despair and early crossing the shit out he stands out, much more than the big target man i usually use. It is my way of playing, and it´s pure suicide because it doesn´t work as it should, and involving fullbacks is one less man to run after Van Der Mirchs and co. Stupid, one style type gameplay game, this assisted Mlo... it´s depessing has it is
addictive. What i wouldn´t do with this mode if i were in charge, believe me.
 
The best defender of this game is Perea, I didnt even now who the fuck this maan is , untill I bought this game and started to play MLO, its just because he has 95 speed, most used FW ? Mhelia or what the hell his name is, stupid and fast, this game online is all about speed and running , I am really sorry to say that but sometimes I feel FIFA is less arcadey game online then this shit.
 
Out of the box, online, yes; Fifa requires football thinking. Lacks heavily on the tactical side, but... when you face "midfildless" formations and struggle to operate there, PES becomes the "what tha fuck?!" game. Fifa lacks a game mode for me to play it.
 
Online is a thruball fest why konami don't allow CBs to intercept it even though you lnow its coming is ridiculous. Couple this with an unassisited player with a assisted one and its a waste of time you are very seldom going to be able to win. I just played a guy that pressed triangle on every opportunity and his rewards for playing this way was crazy.

Come one konami its easy to fix these things.

Online against an unassisted opponent though is proper football nirvana even with the big teams.
 
Went MLO tonight, unassisted, searching same settings, got three matches vs assisted one brain cell guys. Lost the three games, having 60% possession and pass completion in the high 70´s. Even facing an unassisted opponent, they just drop deep, double pressure all the fucking time, and yes, they fucking spam that Y button till the end of time...I´m a masochist for putting up with this kind of shit.

Pes 11 was made with Barcelona and Messi as inspiration. It was a "pass" game. This baby is inspired by Real´s counter style, and Ronaldos way of play...naively... Fuck you Konami,get on track will you?
 
Since PES6 I have played exclusively online vs random opponents. I could always put-up with the odd speed-merchant kiddies and lag cheats, because the majority of games seemed to be fairly well balanced. And FUN.

But I agree that the 2013 online experience is woeful. I don't think I've been matched with a similar pass-assistance player yet. It's simply unbalanced and I'm convinced that there is some scripting in play.

However, friendly games seem to flow better and are much less frustrating.Maybe this is because I know the person I'm playing and they also want to play the beautiful game, not some lazer-guided, spammy ping-pong fest.

The new 2v2 mode is an unbelievable mess - it used to be so much fun and now it's unplayable shit. And no chat? WTF?

Meh.

:RANT:
 
they removed bal online and 2v2 online, crippled both modes(2v2 wasnt a mode but never mind) and made online community out of it, good job fuckami :FAIL:
mlo and online comp. modes lag cheaters, that alone makes it unplayable
pack the matchmaking in the mix and u have a shit of a mode

lobby useless now, no chat no regular 2v2
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whats left?
regular ranked 1v1
havent playd yet, better so i guess..

:BRMM:
the trend is your friend, prepare to get a shit game next year^^
just my 2 cents
 
Me!TheRaven said:
Went MLO tonight, unassisted, searching same settings, got three matches vs assisted one brain cell guys. Lost the three games, having 60% possession and pass completion in the high 70´s. Even facing an unassisted opponent, they just drop deep, double pressure all the fucking time, and yes, they fucking spam that Y button till the end of time...I´m a masochist for putting up with this kind of shit.

Pes 11 was made with Barcelona and Messi as inspiration. It was a "pass" game. This baby is inspired by Real´s counter style, and Ronaldos way of play...naively... Fuck you Konami,get on track will you?
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Seriously, this may sound a bit radical, but an easy and "quicck" solution that Konami could do that would make online more balanced, realistic and much more enjoyable is to REMOVE double pressue of this game. Defending is essential in a footbal game, and the game should require from us players to have a good notion of positionning on the field, but online that is almost irrelevent as pressue still is too succesful.

But as I said on the oficial thread about MLO, double pressure has not been THAT much problem as before. but sitll is a big problem that encourages people to defend without thinking, without having any sense of positioning, timming, anticipation and etc.

Corcenning the through balls, what I have been facing is people making long air balls all the time with Circle button, and attacking players always have advaantage over my defence. Normal Through pass, at least for me is not a huge problem as long air balls.

But honestly, I don't know what you are talking about when you say pes 2011 as a refference, the insane double pressure in pes 2011 was a huge problem as well, passing and movement was way too limited compared to pes 2013. In pes 2011 there were also too many players spammng through balls as defenders were retarded and reacted very slowly, they were too stupid to make interceptions, even very easy one that any human irl would intercept.
 
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