PES 2013 Discussion Thread

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Can't believe people can be happy because Nou Camp isn' in FIFA. That is conceding that for some reason FIFA is terribly important to you...must all be very unhappy people.

One advice from a middle aged man: go out and search a girlfriend (or a new girlfriend) is this is what makes you tick.

IMO demo 2 is the best football "game" in this current gen. I wonder how the reatail version will be. Hope Konami don't screw up like last year...PES 2012 was a disgrace.

Oh and please stop lecturing us about karma if you haven't got the faintest clue...when i was at university i had to translate buddhist text in both Chinese and Japanes (Zen Buddhism) and your interpretation of karma is rahter dodgy and that is a very big understatement. Trying to show off you intellectual superiority on an internet forum is something that will pass once you are passed your teens.
 
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gerd said:
Can't believe people can be happy because Nou Camp isn' in FIFA. That is conceding that for some reason FIFA is terribly important to you...must all be very unhappy people.

One advice from a middle aged man: go out and search a girlfriend (or a new girlfriend) is this is what makes you tick.
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will doing that unlock the nou camp?
 
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gerd said:
Can't believe people can be happy because Nou Camp isn' in FIFA. That is conceding that for some reason FIFA is terribly important to you...must all be very unhappy people.

One advice from a middle aged man: go out and search a girlfriend (or a new girlfriend) is this is what makes you tick.

IMO demo 2 is the best football "game" in this current gen. I wonder how the reatail version will be. Hope Konami don't screw up like last year...PES 2012 was a disgrace.

Oh and please stop lecturing us about karma if you haven't got the faintest clue...when i was at university i had to translate buddhist text in both Chinese and Japanes (Zen Buddhism) and your interpretation of karma is rahter dodgy and that is a very big understatement.
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Why? Because monopolistic compamy like Ea in particular their policy with licenses destroying football games. I'm so happy because they can feel right now what felt another companies for years.
 
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gerd said:
Can't believe people can be happy because Nou Camp isn' in FIFA. That is conceding that for some reason FIFA is terribly important to you...must all be very unhappy people.

One advice from a middle aged man: go out and search a girlfriend (or a new girlfriend) is this is what makes you tick.

IMO demo 2 is the best football "game" in this current gen. I wonder how the reatail version will be. Hope Konami don't screw up like last year...PES 2012 was a disgrace.

Oh and please stop lecturing us about karma if you haven't got the faintest clue...when i was at university i had to translate buddhist text in both Chinese and Japanes (Zen Buddhism) and your interpretation of karma is rahter dodgy and that is a very big understatement. Trying to show off you intellectual superiority on an internet forum is something that will pass once you are passed your teens.
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Why so serious?!
 
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gerd said:
Can't believe people can be happy because Nou Camp isn' in FIFA. That is conceding that for some reason FIFA is terribly important to you...must all be very unhappy people.

One advice from a middle aged man: go out and search a girlfriend (or a new girlfriend) is this is what makes you tick.

IMO demo 2 is the best football "game" in this current gen. I wonder how the reatail version will be. Hope Konami don't screw up like last year...PES 2012 was a disgrace.

Oh and please stop lecturing us about karma if you haven't got the faintest clue...when i was at university i had to translate buddhist text in both Chinese and Japanes (Zen Buddhism) and your interpretation of karma is rahter dodgy and that is a very big understatement. Trying to show off you intellectual superiority on an internet forum is something that will pass once you are passed your teens.
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It actually took me a lot longer than that, although I still managed to fail miserably.... :CONFUSE:
 
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gerd said:
IMO demo 2 is the best football "game" in this current gen. I wonder how the reatail version will be. Hope Konami don't screw up like last year...PES 2012 was a disgrace.
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Yes, what are the chances the retail will be like Demo 2? After all, last year, the retail version was nothing like the demo.

As i mentioned already, i like demo 2 (a lot better than demo 1). It's smoother, on the ball. There is still loads wrong with the game (all the old classics which have never been addressed and never will be), but the general feel is nice. I enjoyed a few games as Bilbao.
My experience, however, tells me that exhibition matches don't play like ML matches/campaigns. There is always a bit more "openess" in an exhibition match, that you don't get in ML matches, which to me, feel a bit more "scripted".
 
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I really enjoyed PES2011, but i scarcely played ML. I played mostly league which is fine since you can play cup and European matches. IMO this is perfect: less scripted than ML and you have a challenge. The only thing they have to do is make it possible to transfer players.

Off-topic: what about Hazard and Chelsea prof? Are you happy they bought him? I promised my 12-year old daughter to buy tickets at Stamford Bridge. She's still a big fan and with the current Belgian invasion with Chelsea (let's not forget Lukaku, Courtois, De Bruyne,Thorgan Hazard and the 3 Musonda brothers, that makes a total of 8 Belgians payed by Chelsea..) she's really hooked. She was devastated when watching the Super Cup in her Chelsea outfit before the television...

@ jimmy: you are too hard on yourself. You recognize the inner child in you, i still have it as a 50 year old (hence why i react on internet forums, i'm not better) and that is IMO a good thing. But writing bullshit why one shouldn't use the word karma is just irritating to me...it doens't makes me very popular it seems, but i guess that is my karma.
 
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I really hope PES retail will stay true to the demo, with some changes. Personally I feel Demo2 shooting has been toned down way to much. Certain control shots players do feel like the ball is filled with helium. If you do the training for shooting, with the first one being controlled shot, I don't see how anyone thinks it is reasonable for a shot type strike to hover in the air for so long. Surely professional players can put SOME speed behind it even with their broadside.

The top end of shooting with good players feels spot on, but the average shot speeds feel underpowered. I hate when I am well inside the penalty box with good balance and shot a laces shot, only for the shot to trickle forward. I'd much rather see penalty for accuracy if you shoot too soon after a turn, when pressured etc. A real footballer can shoot a rocket in almost any circumstance, the main difference is where on the ball the boot hits, and thus how it veers off course.

Also heading seems weird. Corners 99% seems to always be headed by someone just as they can reach the ball with the very top of their head, thus always going up and away. I miss the control of headers you had in PES5/WE9, where there was a very clear sense of you being able to tune your players position for how you wanted the header to be, into the ground, straight ahead, near corner, far corner, etc.
 
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Thespeedster84 said:
You mean the run of 1st player of one-two pass can be made to every direction.. even towards your own half ? :CONF:
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Yep and its awesome you can do a 1-2 passed the back of the reciever pity you can't do a loop run when you combine the off the ball controls.

Edit: actually if I had 3 more thumbs I could do it. Think I'm goiin to try that it will be splendid if anyone can pull it off. Love the possibilites this year.
 
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Trance_Allstar said:
I really hope PES retail will stay true to the demo, with some changes. Personally I feel Demo2 shooting has been toned down way to much. Certain control shots players do feel like the ball is filled with helium. If you do the training for shooting, with the first one being controlled shot, I don't see how anyone thinks it is reasonable for a shot type strike to hover in the air for so long. Surely professional players can put SOME speed behind it even with their broadside.

The top end of shooting with good players feels spot on, but the average shot speeds feel underpowered. I hate when I am well inside the penalty box with good balance and shot a laces shot, only for the shot to trickle forward. I'd much rather see penalty for accuracy if you shoot too soon after a turn, when pressured etc. A real footballer can shoot a rocket in almost any circumstance, the main difference is where on the ball the boot hits, and thus how it veers off course.

Also heading seems weird. Corners 99% seems to always be headed by someone just as they can reach the ball with the very top of their head, thus always going up and away. I miss the control of headers you had in PES5/WE9, where there was a very clear sense of you being able to tune your players position for how you wanted the header to be, into the ground, straight ahead, near corner, far corner, etc.
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Exactly! Accuracy should suffer when not set up properly, not power
 
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Professor Nutmeg said:
Yes, what are the chances the retail will be like Demo 2? After all, last year, the retail version was nothing like the demo.

As i mentioned already, i like demo 2 (a lot better than demo 1). It's smoother, on the ball. There is still loads wrong with the game (all the old classics which have never been addressed and never will be), but the general feel is nice. I enjoyed a few games as Bilbao.
My experience, however, tells me that exhibition matches don't play like ML matches/campaigns. There is always a bit more "openess" in an exhibition match, that you don't get in ML matches, which to me, feel a bit more "scripted".
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Good morning Proff, Gerd

Funnily enough I have been doing well with Bilbao myself (think its probably cos Llorente is such a beast at holding the ball up!)

Really looking forward to playing in the Brazilian league with maybe someone like Coritiba, Bahia or Portuguesa but this boots nonsense with the ML has put me off. Maybe as you suggest Gerd, better to play a normal league, where I presume I will still get the Copa Libertadores, just a shame there wont be any transfers
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Matty_17 said:
heres another goal i just scored... im finding bilbaos formation really lethal for exploiting space (4-3-3), your two midfielders are always there for the run and lorente for the hold up play, just look at my midfielders run! :CONFUSE:

YouTube - pes 2013 demo 2 - at bilbao goal - full manual
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Awesome runs but the defender's logic is awful: Look how that one defender leaves the line to follow a striker that went backwards. In reality defenders don't do it, they keep the line and let the other defender deal with it... zonal defense. But even if they did it out of an irrational impulse, look at the reaction of the other defender, he doesn't take over the gap created and let's the other striker ample space to move into...
 
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stuartyd said:
Exactly! Accuracy should suffer when not set up properly, not power
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That is not quite right, to generate power on a shot you need to get the ball a bit out from under your feet. That means in a closed area where you are stuck surrounded by defenders you don't have the time and space to get the ball out a bit... your shot can't be very powerful, because you have to use the inside foot for it. Shots with the inside-foot aren't nearly as powerful as with the outside foot, especially when being able to run on the ball before the outside-foot-shot.

Accuracy with the inside-foot though is much higher though, you can place the shot better and curl it around the goalkeeper and other stuff.
 
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Oh and please stop lecturing us about karma if you haven't got the faintest clue...when i was at university i had to translate buddhist text in both Chinese and Japanes (Zen Buddhism) and your interpretation of karma is rahter dodgy and that is a very big understatement. Trying to show off you intellectual superiority on an internet forum is something that will pass once you are passed your teens.
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How about enlightening us on the true meaning of Karma then, instead of resorting to a thinly veiled ad hominem. Although it must be said, my interpretation is a realistic reflection of what the majority of people assume Karma to be in common discourse, in which case arguing against such an interpretation has its merits; but it would be interesting to discover that simple-minded people are actually doubly wrong as they exclaim "KARMA WILL GET YOU FOR THIS!" when reacting to something that inspires feelings of retribution. I would have thought such misuses of the concept annoy you as much as they annoy me.

Can't believe people can be happy because Nou Camp isn' in FIFA. That is conceding that for some reason FIFA is terribly important to you...must all be very unhappy people.
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It struck me in the same way, I'd like to think PES fans are wise enough to avoid such mud-slinging matches when it comes to licenses and so forth, especially given how ridiculous it looks in the face of the overall licensing situation. I would resist all temptation to try and fight fire with fire, which is why I was so disappointed when Jon Murphy came out and started bashing them; you don't need to do that with EA, they are silently and slowly killing themselves with all their ridiculous profiteering and dismantling of the games industry, and FIFA too with their pandering to the masses which will eventually backfire as critical acclaim swings back towards PES and the sheep begin to jump ship, just let them get on with it.
 
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When I play football I can always belt it!
Harder than the PES players anyway!

ML with Gutierrez et al is gonna be a nightmare this year! What a grind!
 
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henrys hand said:
That is not quite right, to generate power on a shot you need to get the ball a bit out from under your feet. That means in a closed area where you are stuck surrounded by defenders you don't have the time and space to get the ball out a bit... your shot can't be very powerful, because you have to use the inside foot for it. Shots with the inside-foot aren't nearly as powerful as with the outside foot, especially when being able to run on the ball before the outside-foot-shot.

Accuracy with the inside-foot though is much higher though, you can place the shot better and curl it around the goalkeeper and other stuff.
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I agree with what you said. I would probably take Stuartyd to mean "at a greater rate than currently". My specific example would be in situations where I have been under no pressure and the player clearly being in control inside the penalty box, yet the resulting shot power just looks implausible for anything other than a 10 year old.

For other situations though you sometimes need to give the game the benefit of the doubt since it cannot visually convey all nuances of off-balance, ball in slightly the wrong position etc. Definitely agree.
 
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Trance_Allstar said:
I really hope PES retail will stay true to the demo, with some changes. Personally I feel Demo2 shooting has been toned down way to much. Certain control shots players do feel like the ball is filled with helium. If you do the training for shooting, with the first one being controlled shot, I don't see how anyone thinks it is reasonable for a shot type strike to hover in the air for so long. Surely professional players can put SOME speed behind it even with their broadside.

The top end of shooting with good players feels spot on, but the average shot speeds feel underpowered. I hate when I am well inside the penalty box with good balance and shot a laces shot, only for the shot to trickle forward. I'd much rather see penalty for accuracy if you shoot too soon after a turn, when pressured etc. A real footballer can shoot a rocket in almost any circumstance, the main difference is where on the ball the boot hits, and thus how it veers off course.

Also heading seems weird. Corners 99% seems to always be headed by someone just as they can reach the ball with the very top of their head, thus always going up and away. I miss the control of headers you had in PES5/WE9, where there was a very clear sense of you being able to tune your players position for how you wanted the header to be, into the ground, straight ahead, near corner, far corner, etc.
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Great post - in total agreement and the training highlights how floaty the R2/RT placed shots are. should not hang for so long in the air.
 
My god some people are self righteous and take themselves too seriously on here.

I reserve the right to poke fun at EA after all they've done to make life difficult for PES.
 
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Jamezinho said:
My god some people are self righteous and take themselves too seriously on here.

I reserve the right to poke fun at EA after all they've done to make life difficult for PES.
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We have become rather strung up.

Nice to see the little guy get one over the big boy.

Still think these things should be a free for all as I am sure you do too.
 
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What about Penalty Kicks, guys? I got one yesterday and it seems to be the same shit as PES 2012. I pulled the stick to the left and kept it for a while before shooting, to see if it would go wide. But it was on target - and the keeper saved it, actually.
Such a shame, when we had a great PK system in 2011 which was more user controlled. Now with this arcadey nonsense, you might hit the post if you try too hard to miss it.

As for the new ML, that Sneak Peak video shows we can choose a "region" for our Master League, meaning we can have ML with South American teams, linked with the licensed Libertadores :)

I just hope the transfers for the South American teams aren't too over the top. I wouldn't want to see Ronaldo at Boca, Messi at Corinthians, and so on...

Bootgate aside, this all looks very good. I'd be very tempted to play an European and a South American ML :D
 
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Trance_Allstar said:
I really hope PES retail will stay true to the demo, with some changes. Personally I feel Demo2 shooting has been toned down way to much. Certain control shots players do feel like the ball is filled with helium. If you do the training for shooting, with the first one being controlled shot, I don't see how anyone thinks it is reasonable for a shot type strike to hover in the air for so long. Surely professional players can put SOME speed behind it even with their broadside.

The top end of shooting with good players feels spot on, but the average shot speeds feel underpowered. I hate when I am well inside the penalty box with good balance and shot a laces shot, only for the shot to trickle forward. I'd much rather see penalty for accuracy if you shoot too soon after a turn, when pressured etc. A real footballer can shoot a rocket in almost any circumstance, the main difference is where on the ball the boot hits, and thus how it veers off course.

Also heading seems weird. Corners 99% seems to always be headed by someone just as they can reach the ball with the very top of their head, thus always going up and away. I miss the control of headers you had in PES5/WE9, where there was a very clear sense of you being able to tune your players position for how you wanted the header to be, into the ground, straight ahead, near corner, far corner, etc.
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Exactly! Accuracy should suffer when not set up properly, not power
 
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Rentboy said:
I just hope the transfers for the South American teams aren't too over the top. I wouldn't want to see Ronaldo at Boca, Messi at Corinthians, and so on...
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Agreed, would not want too many Europeans coming to South America, at least not until they are 30+ and even then not many would.

The game would need to generate a lot of youngsters surely to fill in for players coming through or trasnfers, like the South American leagues do in real life - they basically create their own players and export rather than import.

Not sure Konami will get the balance right yet for this kind of thing, can see Ryan Shawcross at Flamengo and similar things happening.
 
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Jamezinho said:
My god some people are self righteous and take themselves too seriously on here.

I reserve the right to poke fun at EA after all they've done to make life difficult for PES.
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Then you are basically no better than the EA/FIFA drones saying "lolz PES sux it has no licenzes".

What you are celebrating is that PES has acquired an exclusive license which will only incur a greater penalty later down the line as EA will become even more determined to secure new exclusives, resulting in a perpetual tug-of-war over licenses, when what we should really be fighting for is a situation where both games have equal opportunities, something you cannot do when PES is partially culpable for the current state of affairs.
 
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vitalicxx said:
Then you are basically no better than the EA/FIFA drones saying "lolz PES sux it has no licenzes".

What you are celebrating is that PES has acquired an exclusive license which will only incur a greater penalty later down the line as EA will become even more determined to secure new exclusives, resulting in a perpetual tug-of-war over licenses, when what we should really be fighting for is a situation where both games have equal opportunities, something you cannot do when PES is partially culpable for the current state of affairs.
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We don't even know if the loss of the Camp Nou is down to PES, nor did I insinuate that. They couldn't agree terms.

But I agree, I'm hoping there is a point where both sides come to work together rather than screw each other over. It will never happen but one can hope.

You have to admit that the race for licenses has been a one sided affair so this is a little victory for PES fans, no matter how petty that may sound.
 
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