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Jamezinho said:
Jenkey's Patch + 1080p + 15 minute games = magic. :))
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Prick :P

Problem for me is that when PES comes out it's almost summer here and I don't spend much time in my room where the PC is. Too hot! If I upgrade my PC to play PES (which I'm tempted to do) I'd have to bring my whole tower into the lounge room and it's not practical unfortunately.

Although, I'm ultra jealous of the camera angle's I've seen lately. Maybe i'll buy a second hand cheapo Xbox and mod it so I can play with a modded camera lol.
 
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Inertia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So if you read the link i posted, and then saw a FIFA gameplay video you will notice that players slide in the field like their on ice. Sometimes they move 2 meters without even moving legs acording to the space they moved, the keep doing the animation they are on till the end but can turn and switch direction to wherever they like, and thats why most of the people say fifa is more responsive, and all of this is due the implementation of 360º on FIFA. If you have played Fifa 09 you can state that the game as inertia and momentum.

PES has it to sometimes but because the players have more weight to it the effect is much less visible or not visible at all.
 
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respect to animation... 8/10 :)

what I have actually present, PES 2013 works best on Nvidia graphics cards, I am given a card ATI, I played almost every game of this generation, no problems..
PES 2013
the camera shakes, or some minor slowdowns. (60 FPS constant)
I suffered "microsttutering" from PES 2011,12 and 13, I have also informed and read in various forums, and I return it to confirm, the graphics engine of PES, has problems with ATI (Radeon hd Shappire 4670 + great overlocking)

I used
D3overrider
GameBooster
RadeonPro

no solution :(


Micro stuttering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


is acceptable in another category of games.
but in this sport, and have problems like this is unacceptable.
 
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I think a lot of PES so called inertia is due to the dodgy animations rather than deliberately being added to the game.

Regarding Animations

PES still has animations missing on player movements - gives the robot look someone was talking about
The keepers although improved still don't move enough out stetched arms being my biggest gripe
Same old stumbling animation time after time
Ball on a string effect when dribbling

I could go on. I still think its the best PES on current gen. However some people are still deluded in this thread with some of the comments. And before anyone has a go it is my opinion after playing 30ish extended games trying all the patches
 
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dannyfc2 said:
I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

I persuaded THREE different people to give the PES demo a go this week, all fairly knowledgable football fans, all somewhat of FIFA players. And ALL of them couldn't stand it, said it was awful, even unplayable. :II

PES 11 was marmite, and I could understand people not clicking with it. But there's nothing in PES 13 that stands out as being inaccessible. It's just football. Even the animations and fluidity are almost on a par with FIFA now....I don't think I'm being blind am I? I called out PES 12 on all it's faults, but PES 13 is an absolute sublime game in my eyes. Only thing holding it back is the poor CPU, but surely that cannot be perceived immediately by new players?
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Yep, that's what I'm finding too, though the CPU barely has any possession, that's just something I've accepted will happen until Konami put PES onto the new engine (and I hope will fix this problem).

Doesn't matter though, I'm still relatively crap at the game so I'm still conceding goals...
 
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Jamezinho said:
I don't think there is anything that changes the lighting effects or anything to that level. However, there are loads of mods mate, the cumulative effect of which completely changes the game.

First and foremost, simply turning off the blur effect has a stunning impact. Everything looks sharp once again. I'm completely at a loss to understand why the blur effect was ever added - it's horrendous. Then you have better kits, ball and turf textures, LOD mixer. Adboards are another thing which give the game a better look. When you download a patch with all of these things the game looks wonderful.

Then you have to consider the community made stadia, many of which look absolutely stunning.

1080p? Yep.

60 fps? Yep.

You can go higher on both if used with a decent monitor. PES isn't very demanding (although that will change with the Fox engine I'd imagine).
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Thanks mate, that's helpful. Do you use Jenkey's patch to alter the gameplay? I won't really want to touch that, so long as I could make superficial changes then that'd be good. Plus, I'm thinking of getting a PC that will keep up with games for a few years to come, so the next PES on fox engine should look pretty sweet :)
 
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hitmanuk said:
I think a lot of PES so called inertia is due to the dodgy animations rather than deliberately being added to the game.
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What an absolute load of rubbish. If you can't see how they have improved this area year-on-year, then you are either blind or very ill-informed. It's a must in a football game, Konami appreciate this like no other.
 
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Jimmy G-Force said:
What an absolute load of rubbish. If you can't see how they have improved this area year on year, then you are blind or very ill-informed. It's a must in a football game, Konami appreciate this like no other.
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yeah very silly post! in pes 13 it actually feels like youre controlling their legs/hips, like they have weight... fifa is an ice rink where L2+move you glide everywhere
 
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Searched through my videos for an obvious example of inertia, so I didn't have to upload another one. This is the best example I could find. Roman feigns a pass as the onrushing defender goes to intercept, the defender has all his bodyweight moving towards the pass that never came and stumbles away from Riquelme who's then given a vital bit of room to pick out a more effective pass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaKnUOStswU&feature=player_detailpage#t=56s

I love the moments you can shift your bodyweight slightly on the ball throwing the defender off balance but without hardly deviating from your course.
 
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Suuuuupertalk said:
Thanks mate, that's helpful. Do you use Jenkey's patch to alter the gameplay? I won't really want to touch that, so long as I could make superficial changes then that'd be good. Plus, I'm thinking of getting a PC that will keep up with games for a few years to come, so the next PES on fox engine should look pretty sweet :)
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I have played with both the stock gameplay and Jenkey's altered version. It's minor tweaks really, I don't think there is a huge difference between the two. But if you're only interested in the visual side of patching, then you can just leave the 'vanilla' gameplay as is.

Regarding a PC, I spent about £850 on mine in total (probably more if you include the peripherals) and it should do me a couple of years at least before I need to upgrade anything.

The way I see it the next gen consoles will probably be around £400 but if you factor in the other costs such as online subscriptions, inflated cost of games compared to PC, inflated cost of game pads and accessories, then owning a PC doesn't really cost any more over the space of a few years.

For instance, I've pre-ordered PES2013 on the PC for £18 and the console versions are £36 from the same store. It's the exact same game. Crazy really.
 
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Yep, This means that if you don't want to be wrong footed all the time, always try to stand on two feet. Shift your weight towards one side, and its much harder to turn the other side. That's also one of the reasons why lighter players have a much easier time changing direction than heavy players.
 
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A shorter 'stumpy' player, with their low center of gravity have an easier time changing directions many times too. Think of a fat square block and a taller thin rectangle block with exactly the same weight. Place both blocks at an angle, and obviously it takes more force to put back the rectangle than the square back to the original position. Because of this, it is also much easier to stay balance when the player is shorter.

There is also the case of big strides vs small strides in running styles. Take a much faster smaller steps and the inertia for each step is much smaller compared to big strides; allowing the player to change directions at high speeds. Messi is perfectly designed for this, with his chicken style running.

Haha, you made me review last year's notes, made me curious on how the heck messi turns so fast. Then again, a few of you guys probably know this.

It would take quite a while before football sims produce some real physics, maybe next gen?
 
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hitmanuk said:
I think a lot of PES so called inertia is due to the dodgy animations rather than deliberately being added to the game.

Regarding Animations

PES still has animations missing on player movements - gives the robot look someone was talking about
The keepers although improved still don't move enough out stetched arms being my biggest gripe
Same old stumbling animation time after time
Ball on a string effect when dribbling

I could go on. I still think its the best PES on current gen. However some people are still deluded in this thread with some of the comments. And before anyone has a go it is my opinion after playing 30ish extended games trying all the patches
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So instead of just giving them credit where it's due, you simply throw it out the window stripping them completely from any hint of good hard work and implementation for a decade ridiculing them to look like complete clueless idiots who've had their success based on.... dodgy animations?

Sorry hitmanuk, the picture below expresses best for me than words.

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Wilko22 said:
Searched through my videos for an obvious example of inertia, so I didn't have to upload another one. This is the best example I could find. Roman feigns a pass as the onrushing defender goes to intercept, the defender has all his bodyweight moving towards the pass that never came and stumbles away from Riquelme who's then given a vital bit of room to pick out a more effective pass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaKnUOStswU&feature=player_detailpage#t=56s

I love the moments you can shift your bodyweight slightly on the ball throwing the defender off balance but without hardly deviating from your course.
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Wow great video, Song please?
 
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Is the Champions League and Europa League properly integrated into the Master League? With all the official entrance scenes and scoreboards too?
 
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I must admit, I'm also very curious these days about the whole PC PES scene. As much as I get tempted, it's very hard for me to justify as I'll only ever play PES on a PC gaming rig.

Just out of interest, what would be the cheapest system you could buy for simply playing PES on PC, fully modded running via HDMI to a 1080 plasma ?

Tim7 said:
Is the Champions League and Europa League properly integrated into the Master League? With all the official entrance scenes and scoreboards too?
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Yes it is. It's an awesome experience, even the music and backdrops all change accordingly. There is a real genuine and highly authentic feel to European matches in ML, I live for them. :)
 
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I doubt you need anything special for this gens PES but when they change the engine it may be different. I nearly spent around a grand on a PC, but after some thought I realised that like you I would only play PES. Depending on the cost of the next gen consoles I may opt for a more modest PC setup, if the consoles are anywhere near as flimsy as this gens it may even be cheaper in the long run.
 
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Tim7 said:
Is the Champions League and Europa League properly integrated into the Master League? With all the official entrance scenes and scoreboards too?
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Yes Tim. It was in PES 2012 as well from what I can recall.
 
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Jimmy G-Force said:
Just out of interest, what would be the cheapest system you could buy for simply playing PES on PC, fully modded running via HDMI to a 1080 plasma ?
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You'd be better off asking in the PC Building thread really. However I'd say you could build a PES capable machine for as little as £300 if that's all you want to play on it. With the Fox engine and new consoles around the corner, PES will inevitably become more demanding on hardware, although still well within the scope of an average gaming PC.

Basically you could build a PC for PES2013 which would cost peanuts and run it well above what a console is capable of, but you may need to spend again next year getting it ready for Fox. The best bet is to buy a decent gaming PC (which can be built for £500-600) so as to future proof yourself. Buying a very basic PC to play PES today would most likely be a false economy.
 
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Wilko22 said:
Searched through my videos for an obvious example of inertia, so I didn't have to upload another one. This is the best example I could find. Roman feigns a pass as the onrushing defender goes to intercept, the defender has all his bodyweight moving towards the pass that never came and stumbles away from Riquelme who's then given a vital bit of room to pick out a more effective pass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaKnUOStswU&feature=player_detailpage#t=56s

I love the moments you can shift your bodyweight slightly on the ball throwing the defender off balance but without hardly deviating from your course.
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I am a fan of Boca Juniors

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thank you very much for the video :WORSHIP::WORSHIP:

EDIT: I am Argentine
 
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Lami said:
So instead of just giving them credit where it's due, you simply throw it out the window stripping them completely from any hint of good hard work and implementation for a decade ridiculing them to look like complete clueless idiots who've had their success based on.... dodgy animations?

Sorry hitmanuk, the picture below expresses best for me than words.

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Yea it was almost as desk palm as the guy who said the animations are better than FIFA the guy who posted that video demonstrating inertia has helped prove other wise
 
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Loving the Riquelme video Wilko, I used to love him when I used to play as Villarreal in ML some years back when he was there, what a beast! :)
 
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Wilko22 said:
Searched through my videos for an obvious example of inertia, so I didn't have to upload another one. This is the best example I could find. Roman feigns a pass as the onrushing defender goes to intercept, the defender has all his bodyweight moving towards the pass that never came and stumbles away from Riquelme who's then given a vital bit of room to pick out a more effective pass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaKnUOStswU&feature=player_detailpage#t=56s
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Good example, though I just wanna bitchslap the idiots at Konami for this pass support bullcrap. Look at the vid, the guy fills it up 90% off balance and manages a delicate pass to feet 6 meters away, then he fills it up 20% and makes a pin perfecvt 30 meter slider through the defense.

Sickens me.

I wish they'd get rid of it or at least provide lobbies for no pass assistance. Or better yet, make it a 90% point deduction for using assistance in quick matches, so you lose 20 points for a loss and gain 2 for a win. Simple.
 
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Northzzz said:
Zero-assisted would be better if players actually reacted to passes in the same they did when assisted was on. Truth is they don't and it's not even really your fault. Your pass can be the same pass (let's say the same accuracy and power) but the assisted pass will for the most part always end with your player reacting a bit quicker to the ball because the game instantly knows who you're trying to pass to, even with 1 bar, and the recipient of the intended pass acts quicker rather than the game having to work it out who you're trying to pass to and react at a random point. I really don't get how people are 'playing the correct way' with zero-assisted passing on at all. They're challenging themselves to play a different way and that is fine but you cannot make out that it is the only real way to play the game. I've no issue if you're mad at how easy Konami have made passing on 4 bars of assisted as default because it really is stupid. Going the complete other way and feeling a sense of superiority is a bit silly though. I still stand by my point that the game functions much more cohesively as an assisted game.

Online play should be evened up, which is the context of the zero-assisted debate. It's a completely poor show from Konami to give you so many options for the style of play and then not force both you and your opponent to use the same options. If they're interested in balance then it's a complete necessity.
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I couldn't disagree more. Even 1 bar assist is still scripting and takes less skill to string together passes. Yourt player will react correctly if your pass is good, which means having a football brain and knowing that off balance crap passes do not get through in real football, so why would you expect them to come off every other time in a simulation?

And yes, zero assistance players have every right to feel a sense of supperiority, because beating a 5 bar assist Barca coward with no assistance, using just your skill, your cunning, your team's strenghts and your football brain is where it's at for real football fans. And yes, in my opinion, one who plays on zero support is the supperior player, in every sense of the word.

The satisfaction of actually knowing you're the one that made it happen as opposed to AI cheating is the true value of zero pass support.
 
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The more I play the PES demo, the more I'm hating it lol.

It's just an end to end arcade fest. And this is coming from a PES die hard. Hope the retail version adds some semblance of CPU build up and varies their attacks or it's going to be another frustrating year of footy titles for me.
 
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theCRO said:
Good example, though I just wanna bitchslap the idiots at Konami for this pass support bullcrap. Look at the vid, the guy fills it up 90% off balance and manages a delicate pass to feet 6 meters away, then he fills it up 20% and makes a pin perfecvt 30 meter slider through the defense.

Sickens me.

I wish they'd get rid of it or at least provide lobbies for no pass assistance. Or better yet, make it a 90% point deduction for using assistance in quick matches, so you lose 20 points for a loss and gain 2 for a win. Simple.
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Well yeah, "the guy" is me, the reason I'm using 1 bar assistance is because I find manual passing is a bit temperamental in this game, specifically for the shorter passes, the power bar seems to be all over the place. I'd always played with manual settings online and offline on Fifa and never had the same issues as I have with PES. Maybe it'll be different in the final game, but until then I'm quite happy playing offline with these settings, I still get the freedom from the manual pass modifier, I don't even use the through ball button anymore because a manual pass is adequate (as demonstrated in the video).

Last year we had people saying manual was no good for PES and it should never be introduced as it goes against Seabass's great philosophy, now it's the opposite and assisted users are practicing the dark arts - I'm so confused! :BLINK:

I'm also back with assisted shooting for now at least for a few days, I do enjoy manual shooting to an extent but I'm not entirely convinced it takes stats into consideration (other than for power), frequently I'm finding the top corner of the net with everyone and anyone - or maybe it's just my superior shooting brain :P
 
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