PES 2013 Discussion Thread

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I also still use the manual modifier, 0 bar does have its limitations. It shows that 0 is not fully manual. I dont like all these options to be honest, lock the game on 0 bar, remove the manual modifier and give the better passers in the game the added freedom that the modifier gives you.
 
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I agree with you cro about how they need to make it where everyone it as the same controls when playing online. I have had that same problem in fifa.. of course we can request full manual lobbies but really what fun is it online when no one goes there hardly? the truth is.. people like us that want to to enjoy it full manual on fifa or pes is not that popular online it seems. I have just gotten pass the fact of even caring about what controls my opponent is using...
 
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We will have a HUGE amount of people playing in a 0 assist lobby.

My 2 cents. Playing on 0 assist against the CPU is like playing online against an assisted player. Its harrd and not very satisfying. Playing a game against a 0 assist opponent will be magical though.
 
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theCRO said:
1. You said you use pass support. Therefore you can make impossible passes and ping pong your way to goal, because Konami does the aiming and the weight of the pass for you moreso than is the case with zero support players who need to actually evaluate and pick their passes. You said it mate, not me.

2. I also use the manual modifier even on 0 support, but that means my laser guided 40 meter behind-the-back pinpoint passes hardly ever come off, while yours will thanks to your use of supports. Simple.
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So, in your opinion, does playing with pass support make it easier Jamez?

If you answered yes, then I really don't see what your point is. You're admitting to having an advantage.

If you answered no, well then you may as well switch it to zero.
 
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Yes, it makes it easier than manual... but that's not the point.

As Jamezinho says, playing on 2 support bars doesn't mean every pass goes directly 100% to the receivers feet, trust me, it doesn't. The way you are talking about everyone who uses 1/2 pass assist is like we are 3 years old and just blindly pressing pass to get to the penalty area then shooting and scoring.

I personally will only be playing against the CPU anyway so it won't matter to me. I play on what I like playing with.

Everyone is different and everyone likes their own settings, just let them get on with it.

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Tim7 said:
Yes, it makes it easier than manual... but that's not the point.

As Jamezinho says, playing on 2 support bars doesn't mean every pass goes directly 100% to the receivers feet, trust me, it doesn't. The way you are talking about everyone who uses 1/2 pass assist is like we are 3 years old and just blindly pressing pass to get to the penalty area then shooting and scoring.

I personally will only be playing against the CPU anyway so it won't matter to me. I play on what I like playing with.

Everyone is different and everyone likes their own settings, just let them get on with it.

:ROLL:.
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That's just plain silly mate.

If it makes it easier, then you have a clear advantage over non supported players and thus an indefensible position. Plus, I never said every pass will make it, but playing no skill button mashing is rewarded with assists on, even a 1% advantage makes it unfair thus renders your result empty and useless, because you're basically cheating. Konami is passing for you, which is why you and other assisted players find it easier. Because it is easier.

There's a reason they do dope tests on professional athletes, why do you think that is?
 
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Tim7 said:
Yes, it makes it easier than manual... but that's not the point.

As Jamezinho says, playing on 2 support bars doesn't mean every pass goes directly 100% to the receivers feet, trust me, it doesn't. The way you are talking about everyone who uses 1/2 pass assist is like we are 3 years old and just blindly pressing pass to get to the penalty area then shooting and scoring.

I personally will only be playing against the CPU anyway so it won't matter to me. I play on what I like playing with.

Everyone is different and everyone likes their own settings, just let them get on with it.

:ROLL:.
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I don't play online either so the control method debate is kind of null and void for me. Like you, I play the way I want to play, not how someone tells me to.

Going down the full manual route doesn't equate to a heightened simulation experience nor more realistic football. Not in my book anyway. Accuracy with the joypad isn't the sole measure of a good football gamer. PES always used to be a battle of tactics and intelligent play, back when everything was fully assisted. I still prize those attributes in a human opponent above all else.

We have this discussion every year and it gets a bit tiresome to tell the truth.
 
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@ Cro....

When you refer to one bar pass assist players as "button mashers" you lose all credibility with me.

Shame because I always thought of you as a very intelligent and well reasoned poster.
 
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You can easily button mash on 1 bar assist online Jamez. A LOT LESS SKILL needed to string it together than zero assist, had you played a few hundred matches online you would be able to spot it too. I've played over 2,000.

Since you don't play online, your opinion then loses all credibility. You simply do not know what you're talking about. This whole convo is about online assistance, why would I care if you play with full assists in your ML, for example?

I don't quite understand why you feel the urge to involve yourself in a conversation to which you cannot constructively contribute...
 
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theCRO said:
I don't quite understand why you feel the urge to involve yourself in a conversation to which you cannot constructively contribute...
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Because you just basically said to us no matter if we are playing the CPU or not, if we play with 1 bar assist that we are shit at PES and have absolutely no footballing brain or skill whatsoever and may as well let a monkey play for us.

We found that a little bit insulting and responded.
 
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theCRO said:
You can easily button mash on 1 bar assist online Jamez. A LOT LESS SKILL needed to string it together than zero assist, had you played a few hundred matches online you would be able to spot it too. I've played over 2,000.

Since you don't play online, your opinion then loses all credibility. You simply do not know what you're talking about. This whole convo is about online assistance, why would I care if you play with full assists in your ML, for example?

I don't quite understand why you feel the urge to involve yourself in a conversation to which you cannot constructively contribute...
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Quite simply because you've come on here and quite aggressively and self-righteously criticised a control method favoured by myself and many others.

Regardless of whether that control method is used online or offline, your argument is worth a rebuttal in my opinion.
 
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But my argument is that the assisted player gains an advantage over his unassisted counterpart. How are you rebutting that? I'm all ears...
 
Let's all relax gentleman, and enjoy the game how each individual likes it. For me a beer and a toke is the only way to go . For others that might not work, but in my eyes, neither of us is wrong.
 
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Tim7 said:
Because you just basically said to us no matter if we are playing the CPU or not, if we play with 1 bar assist that we are shit at PES and have absolutely no footballing brain or skill whatsoever and may as well let a monkey play for us.

We found that a little bit insulting and responded.
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I may have been a little out of line due to my frustration with the Barca pass support mashers, I apologise if I was.

But my opinion hasn't changed.

It takes a lot less skill and no football brain to beat an unassisted player if you have it set to even 1 bar assist.

You may, however, still opt to play football and build up your attacks with a few bars assist, you may even have a ticker on you faster than mine, but the very fact that you use assists in a lobby when the other player obviously doesn't renders your result redundant and empty. Because Konami is passing it for you, even on 1 bar assis.

Offline you can play it how you want, I'm concerned about online fair games. Supports vs. no supports should not be allowed. They should make no pass support lobbies, and reward non supported players with twice the points at least.
 
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gomito#10 said:
Let's all relax gentleman, and enjoy the game how each individual likes it. For me a beer and a toke is the only way to go . For others that might not work, but in my eyes, neither of us is wrong.
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I'm nicely relaxed. Hard day at work....time for bed.:ZZZ:
 
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theCRO said:
But my argument is that the assisted player gains an advantage over his unassisted counterpart. How are you rebutting that? I'm all ears...
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Ok, one last comment.

I'm not denying an assisted player doesn't gain an advantage. I'm sure that is the case. That wasn't even why I responded to you.

As I said before I didn't like the way you described assisted players (ping-pong button mashers). Very disrespectful and, in my case, untrue.

Anyway, I hope you get you full manual lobbies one day. It's totally correct that there should be a filter for different control methods online.
 
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Are 0 assistance lobbies in this year?
They should be.
Regarding online, the assisted v unassisted debate would be solved immediately. Providing the settings are locked as soon as the teams are selected. I would love to see this option become available.
Can it really be that difficult to implement into the game?
 
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theCRO said:
Konami is passing it for you, even on 1 bar assist.
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I also disagree with that because if you just press pass you'll lose the ball. You have to aim it and get the power right, so to say the CPU is passing for you is complete rubbish.

As Jamezinho said, we don't really care about online because that's not what we play, but you are right about online, there should be an option to have manual v manual only.
 
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makky said:
Are 0 assistance lobbies in this year?
They should be.
Regarding online, the assisted v unassisted debate would be solved immediately. Providing the settings are locked as soon as the teams are selected. I would love to see this option become available.
Can it really be that difficult to implement into the game?
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exactly. I'd have no gripes if I was paired up with other zero players.

I never play offline btw.
 
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Jamezinho said:
Ok, one last comment.

I'm not denying an assisted player doesn't gain an advantage. I'm sure that is the case. That wasn't even why I responded to you.

As I said before I didn't like the way you described assisted players (ping-pong button mashers). Very disrespectful and, in my case, untrue.

Anyway, I hope you get you full manual lobbies one day. It's totally correct that there should be a filter for different control methods online.
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Ok kewl, sorry about the misunderstanding. :)
 
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"The new Rival Rankings online mode is a way of users playing similarly rated teams online. So no more mid-table teams vs Barca/Madrid"

Finally!!!!
 
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We will have a HUGE amount of people playing in a 0 assist lobby.
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I hope your right.. i didn't play pes for awhile and well I have FIFA 12 and hardly played it online but from my past experience with manual lobbies in fifa is hardly no one is there to play or it's harder to get games in. if it's easy to get full manual games in PES online I will be surprised but very happy.. like I said I play with 1 bar but if there are lobbies where there is lots of people in 0 assist then of course I will play that online and probably be addicted to online PES
 
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Jamezinho said:
@ Cro....

When you refer to one bar pass assist players as "button mashers" you lose all credibility with me.

Shame because I always thought of you as a very intelligent and well reasoned poster.
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He's completely lost it
 
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These are the kind of debates that "manual" vs assisted creates. Superiority complexes etc. They should just make it one pass setting plus the manual modifier. Forget this 0 to 4 bar nonsense.
 
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It's not really about skill as such - it's more about how long it takes to charge up the pass power etc. From what I know, the assistance mainly helps the power anyway and not so much the direction? Someone correct me if that's wrong.

So people can pass around you a lot easier if they're on 3 or 4 bar and you're on anything less. I don't think you can have a go at people on 1 or 2 and say they have a massive advantage anyway.

I've played online with zero bar against other guys who could keep the ball at will compared to me who felt so rushed. Not sure if that was just their pressure abuse though.

Regardless, people here shouldn't be made to feel inferior because they're playing with even 1 bar passing. That's taking it a bit far...
 
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