PES 2013 Discussion Thread

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xavi2009 said:
What would you do if you bought a cellphone that is advertised to have GPS, and when you get home you find out it has maps with no GPS function? Would you not complain to the company?

PES developers claim to have fixed things that are broken. Simple as that.
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Of course I would. I wouldn't go to their forums and bitch about it for months or days there's tons of other cellphone makers out there who would love my money.

I always used to have this habit of receiving a new PES I mean old gen BTW. I used to put the control down and laugh at how daft the AI was as it was unable to score. That didn't deter me from enjoying them. Except 6 that was arcade rubbish *ducks for cover*
 
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zeemeister said:
Of course I would. I wouldn't go to their forums and bitch about it for months or days there's tons of other cellphone makers out there who would love my money.

I always used to have this habit of receiving a new PES I mean old gen BTW. I used to put the control down and laugh at how daft the AI was as it was unable to score. That didn't deter me from enjoying them. Except 6 that was arcade rubbish *ducks for cover*
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Hahaha.. yeah i remember playing with my brother thatthere is certain occasion for example, send a GK to chase a misplaced long ball coming into his box then he does the regular acrobatic save as if it was a shot. It is funny because no danger from opponent's attacker at all :P We just :SS:THINK::APPLAUD::LOL: . The same as when a powerful shot hits a player :P Sure, other people may want to see them use serious animation. But yeah.. i need to laugh.
 
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AntrAcsA said:
Yeah.. its July .. guys.. the game is not more of that 60% or 70 % build.. there is 4 mounts to polished and complete the game . Just found way to make feedback with one will be useful for future game.
Do not make general assessments about the game on the this stage ... its stupid !
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Completely agree there. Konami still have 4 months to mess with the game. Last year it only got worse after the first demo.
 
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Pes 6 was good because had three good basic things:

1. Fluid animations

2. Good ball physics

3. Good shoots


People like Pes 2013 because it's first next gen Pes which have the same good basic things like Pes 6.

1. Fluid animations

2. Good ball physics

3. Good shoots.

:))
 
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If we take sound and crowd from fifa12 and pes13 demo gameplay with little changes (e.g. shooting is drama - ball movement after shoot is s**t) we have the best game ever.
For now I have to say - I go back to fifa 12 because for me crowd and sound is important as good gameplay. Also I still feel that in fifa I have more freedom of movement and I dont care if someone say now MAN DONT SAY ABOUT FIFA I HATE IT - I dont care because I loved pes6 and Konami could develope pes on pes6 engine but thay moved to s**t gameplay for 7 years (lost years) and now are Einsteins - wow we found that pes6 gameplay was good. So now they should take more from pes6 - ball movement, shooting and many more.
 
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Would be nice if Konami could add some shots that dip naturally. Not the knuckleball shots. FIFA looks like the shots dip more naturally but if you check the replay slowly and zoomed in, you can see that the ball hits a hard wall and drops off onto another rail rather than being a nice natural drop.
 
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xavi2009 said:
I'm doing an experiment.

BARCELONA vs Flamengo
20 mins game
Superstar
Green arrow for all players

First, I choose Flamengo and mess their formation: I choose the lowest rated players, and the goalkeepers as forwards.

When the game begins, I switch to Barcelona.

EVENTS:

- Match starts.
- I score two goals with Barcelona within the first 10 minutes.
- I change Barcelona's formation to 5-3-2-1, to see if they can handle it.
- They do: Flamengo gets faster and accurate.
- Players like Xavi and Messi can't receive a pass without having problems to control the ball.
- RT dribbling with Messi, attempt a normal 180 turn. The ball escapes two meters away from him.
- Flamengo gets to have a few 1 on 1 with my keeper. Looks like I can't win without suffering.
- The once unstoppable Messi (when the game was 0-0) is now easily chased by Flamengo's weird backline. They often slide tackle him dangerously from the sides, no foul awarded.
- I, on the other hand, struggle to contain the dribbling skills and deadly passing accuracy of Flamengo's substitute goalkeeper playing upfront.
- Flamengo players keep their positions and play really well. Aparently the difference between a CB and a LW is cosmetic rubbish. Flamengo's pass accuracy was 80%, meaning their players knew their positions.


Overall, I won. 3-1 (Flamengo scored a FK). I had to sweat as much as I do when playing any other team.


Conclusion: difficulties levels > stats

And that's rubbish.
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Thanks for taking the time to prove that even in the demo there is major cheating going on. Your example portrays the huge stat-boosts going on. Goalkeepers becoming deadly dribblers, lol!

Competitive matches in the final version will probably have even more of that. This is bad for console-users who want to play against the CPU at top-player or superstar. At least bad for those that hated the cheating in PES 2012. There might be those that actually get some enjoyment out of the flogging they receive (LTFC...:))) ).
 
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i got converted to a fifa player since fifa 08 and pes6. used to always play pes until that point.

i have tried to give pes a go each year since but i just could not give it my time.

however playing pes 2013 - my word.... it plays like real football if you give it a chance..

really like it so far
 
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Are you just now discovering that difficulty levels have to boost stats to keep the game challenging? Where were you when there was the same situation in all previous pes? If you want a fair game you should play on professional or top player.
 
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should i be finding this game more difficult considering i have not played pes since pes6.

i can hold my own on superstar, even won 2-0 in one game. all control settings are default though

what do people generally play on, do they change assisted passing to manual?

i am enjoying it right out of the box so far.
 
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Ameppe said:
Are you just now discovering that difficulty levels have to boost stats to keep the game challenging? Where were you when there was the same situation in all previous pes? If you want a fair game you should play on professional or top player.
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I've dropped down difficulty level as well for a fairer game v AI.
 
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Bitter Rivals said:
should i be finding this game more difficult considering i have not played pes since pes6.

i can hold my own on superstar, even won 2-0 in one game. all control settings are default though

what do people generally play on, do they change assisted passing to manual?

i am enjoying it right out of the box so far.
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Turn off all the assists and take the passing assistance completely to zero, and make shooting manual as default.
 
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henrys hand said:
Thanks for taking the time to prove that even in the demo there is major cheating going on. Your example portrays the huge stat-boosts going on. Goalkeepers becoming deadly dribblers, lol!

Competitive matches in the final version will probably have even more of that. This is bad for console-users who want to play against the CPU at top-player or superstar. At least bad for those that hated the cheating in PES 2012. There might be those that actually get some enjoyment out of the flogging they receive (LTFC...:))) ).
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Wow just wow. You have been agreeing with or instigating every anti PES sentiment here. Go away shill or write a letter to konami or even better Tweet Jon Murphy he can maybe help you....if its help you seek.

Ignorance is bliss so let me be ignorant please. Oh yes no need for the 4 pager on on how big a PES fan you are I read the novels over the years.
 
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I want to thank this man for saving the game.

Masuda+Kei+PES+2013.jpg
 
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Ok i have have had put in about 10-15 hours on this now. Admittedly I am a FIFA fan from a long term ISS/PES fan,not that I'm digging up the old argument again.

To try and establish which one i proffered i used the camera mod and set it up so it was like the dynamic camera on FIFA

there are loads of improvements to the game over PES 12 but lets face it the game was total gash

This is what in my oppionion needs to be implemented and some of it will probably not be until next year, some of it can be his year

- Player switching, still problems here and more often than i liked the switching selected the wrong man
- Collision system - definately not as funny and as obvious as FIFA's impact engine but there are people at time getting in each others way
- Ball physics - too floaty still, and why doe the keeper throw and the defender boot it up into the air, at times it looks like a plastic fly away ball
-Animations still off but we knew that
-Goal Keepers , yes they are better but at times there saves just look odd - maybe thats just me
- Ball still not its own entity and has the string effect at times - maybe not as obvious as last year but its there
-No atmosphere - however this is a demo and maybe for the sake of file size - although its always been a gripe

That's it for now, ill definitely buy it and keep it this year but I still prefer FIFA 12 over this but that's just me and no ones tried FIFA 13 yet to judge. Good to see its going in the right direction although I don't get this its the "perfect football game" because until its got the full package it isn't
 
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i can see what konami are doing with the ball physicalls, physicality, dribbling system

they are trying to simulate football and that is all i have ever wanted in a computer game

and i respect that
 
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zeemeister said:
Wow just wow. You have been agreeing with or instigating every anti PES sentiment here. Go away shill or write a letter to konami or even better Tweet Jon Murphy he can maybe help you....if its help you seek.

Ignorance is bliss so let me be ignorant please. Oh yes no need for the 4 pager on on how big a PES fan you are I read the novels over the years.
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For me pointing out the negative and positive things are both equally (maybe to point out the nagative things is even a bit more) important to achieve a constructive criticism in the hope that some day things get improved in future versions.

There are some things in PES 2012 that are disturbing the enjoyment against the CPU and I think it's important to look out if PES 2013 might be plagued by similar problems.

These were imho the major problems in PES 2012:

1. Cheating through stat-boosts for the CPU and stat-decreasing for your team, ball going to the CPU, ball going through the feet of your defenders, ball going through the body of your goalkeeper...

PES 2013-demo: Signs and proof is there that it's not gone and it's only friendlies in the demo. Competitive matches in the full game...

2. Lacking individuality of players, especially regarding the look and feel of players.

PES 2013-demo: Players with player-ID are eerily similar to their real-life-versions. Great improvement there. Hoped though it would be more than 50 players.

3. Lack of midfield-play and parking the bus-mentality.

PES 2013-demo: Greatly improved, love the midfield-tussles.

4. Missing realtime-stamina/fatigue-system and lack of running-sensation (They are both interconnected).

PES 2013-demo: As matty has proven, the stamina/fatigue-system is still broken and very random. Probably that's why there is no real full pelt running possible to keep gameplay in check.

5. Playerswitching was awful in PES 2012, after half of the passes, the wrong recipient was chosen by the game.

PES-2013-demo: Not fixed! (Yair's patch fixed it though)

6. Too much on rail-movement and too much need of supercancel.

PES-2013-demo: Greatly reduced use of unresponsive on-rail-movements. Though some on rail movements are still not changeable without supercancel.

7. Shooting was too weak and too limited.

PES 2013-demo: Shooting is greatly improved and more free. Though a bit too strong and too many go onto goal. There should be more error in shots with the outside foot.

8. Dribbling was a bit too freeflowing for most players.

PES 2013-demo: Improved, more grounded (similar to PES 2011) and not all players are good at it.

9. Nightgames looked awful.

PES 2013-demo: Still looks awful! (Thanks to Dr. Hany's nightgame-turf-patch, it looks nice on PC)

10. Goalkeepers were awful before patch 1.03 and mediocre after it.

PES 2013-demo: Greatly improved AI of goalkeepers, more competent. Animations of them still look wrong though.


Verdict: Half of the problems of PES 2012 got improved or fixed, while half of it were not fixed nor improved.

If you can't deal with that I suggest you go to the WENB-forum, there you will find much more bliss and warm positivity.
 
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henrys hand said:
For me pointing out the negative and positive things are both equally (maybe to point out the nagative things is even a bit more) important to achieve a constructive criticism in the hope that some day things get improved in future versions.

There are some things in PES 2012 that are disturbing the enjoyment against the CPU and I think it's important to look out if PES 2013 might be plagued by similar problems.

These were imho the major problems in PES 2012:

1. Cheating through stat-boosts for the CPU and stat-decreasing for your team, ball going to the CPU, ball going through the feet of your defenders, ball going through the body of your goalkeeper...

PES 2013-demo: Signs and proof is there that it's not gone and it's only friendlies in the demo. Competitive matches in the full game...

2. Lacking individuality of players, especially regarding the look and feel of players.

PES 2013-demo: Players with player-ID are eerily similar to their real-life-versions. Great improvement there. Hoped though it would be more than 50 players.

3. Lack of midfield-play and parking the bus-mentality.

PES 2013-demo: Greatly improved, love the midfield-tussles.

4. Missing realtime-stamina/fatigue-system and lack of running-sensation (They are both interconnected).

PES 2013-demo: As matty has proven, the stamina/fatigue-system is still broken and very random. Probably that's why there is no real full pelt running possible to keep gameplay in check.

5. Playerswitching was awful in PES 2012, after half of the passes, the wrong recipient was chosen by the game.

PES-2013-demo: Not fixed! (Yair's patch fixed it though)

6. Too much on rail-movement and too much need of supercancel.

PES-2013-demo: Greatly reduced use of unresponsive on-rail-movements. Though some on rail movements are still not changeable without supercancel.

7. Shooting was too weak and too limited.

PES 2013-demo: Shooting is greatly improved and more free. Though a bit too strong and too many go onto goal. There should be more error in shots with the outside foot.

8. Dribbling was a bit too freeflowing for most players.

PES 2013-demo: Improved, more grounded (similar to PES 2011) and not all players are good at it.

9. Nightgames looked awful.

PES 2013-demo: Still looks awful! (Thanks to Dr. Hany's nightgame-turf-patch, it looks nice on PC)

10. Goalkeepers were awful before patch 1.06 and mediocre after it.

PES 2013-demo: Greatly improved AI of goalkeepers, more competent. Animations of them still look wrong.


Verdict: Half of the problems of PES 2012 got improved or fixed, while half of it were not fixed nor improved.

If you can't deal with that I suggest you go to the WENB-forum, there you will find much more bliss and warm positivity.
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Utter, utter BS.

You are one of these folks who likes to perpetuate the illusion that there is aggro between communities and that they want a different game from yourself. Simply not true and just because you continually write essays on what is wrong doesn't mean others don't have issues with the game.

Zeemeister is right : there are those who play and simply look to enjoy the videogame experience as a whole and to let the issues materialise over merely playing the game. Then there are those who don't play to enjoy but play to break in a bid to make themselves feel clever.

Some thing such as the AI not playing as patient a possession game all players desire doesn't need extensive testing and 1000's of words written about it. It needs little more than simply identifying and feeding back in simple terms; same goes for stats impact, stamina and ai cheating etc.. If you play to exclusively find scripting or how stats and stamina models are not adhered to that can actually be considered poor feedback (especially at this stage) as you are not really testing the game in a natural environment any longer. It would be like me paying money to go and see The Dark Knight Rises and judging the film exclusively on number of continuity errors and effects shots - sure I might walk away and present accurate information on those two aspects of the production but I will have failed to take in the whole experience.
 
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the thing about CPU cheating is; at least in profesional difficulty is, it's kinda hard to tell because there are lots of stupid moments that go in your favour too. I had this game where i drew 2-2; while the CPU scored somewhat decent goals, i scored a deflected own goal, and a failed catch by the goalkeeper which i simply had to tap in.

I must admit though, the playerwitching is starting to get on my nerves, needs to be sorted out.

Two games, same teams man utd vs chelsea. The first game i won 2-1, the playerswitching was somewhat fine, and the chelsea midfield is so tight, that most of the time i could only attack through counters and interceptions in their half. The second game, i must admit was abit sloppy in the defensive department. After conceding the first goal i started to rush my passes, because of that there was alot of end to end football, and that's when the playerswitching started to be a nuisance. the game ended 2-6, which i lost, most of the goals conceded was from chips and through balls.
 
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curdstar said:
Zeemeister is right : there are those who play and simply look to enjoy the videogame experience as a whole and to let the issues materialise over merely playing the game. Then there are those who don't play to enjoy but play to break in a bid to make themselves feel clever.
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What a nonesense, Alan. He is not right, and neither are you, and really you should know better than that. Enjoying the game and posting criticism go hand in hand. I even enjoyed PES 2011 and PES 2012 despite the many problems.

If I wouldn't enjoy these games I wouldn't be buying and playing them for months.

But in order for my and other people's enjoyment to increase in the future and the frustrations to decrease it's important to clearly see and state the problems so that they get the attention of the developers and get fixed. That's our right as customers who pay yearly for a game-series.

For example fixing the nightgames-look/lighting is essential for enjoyment as most matches in the single-player-modi are played at night, and it's an easy fix, as proven by Dr. Hany and yet you and WENB who have such a close connection to Konami have not managed to change it.

Same goes for playerswitching (both for the semi-assisted switching while selecting players as well as the switching that happens after a pass gets made), as proven by Yair it is fixable, but obviously WENB have not managed to change something in that regard.

Even something as little as the colour of the net: Why is it grey in the game? It can be easily fixed to be white as it should be.

And what about cheating? I can understand the need (because the AI in itself is not intelligent enough to offer a challenge) for playing against the CPU (although I don't like it), but why has Konami implemented it into the local and online multiplayer as well? In multiplayer, local and online, only teamstats and the skills of the human players should play a role.

Don't come here everytime the name WENB is used and play the martyr, the misunderstood. Do something constructively and make Konami change these easily fixable things and tell about it and then over time the name WENB will naturally gain the recognition and respect you seek.
 
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You can write long opinions hear but I think one thing is for sure:
if we take: 90% gameplay from pes6 (small improvements) + pes2013demo graphic + fifa sound and crowd we have BEST GAME EVER even for our children in 2020 - and, oh yes, pes will beat fifa forever.
 
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Ok getting to like this now. Just better graphics, better nets, some general a.i tweaking and fix the camera angles and im sound.

DONT MESS WITH IT TOO MUCH KONAMI
 
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CalcioCalabrese said:
Would be nice if Konami could add some shots that dip naturally. Not the knuckleball shots. FIFA looks like the shots dip more naturally but if you check the replay slowly and zoomed in, you can see that the ball hits a hard wall and drops off onto another rail rather than being a nice natural drop.
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Those are very much in mate, some volleys have incredible dip on them.

I've actually seen enough variety in shots if I'm honest. Did anyone spot slight badly timed volleys that make the shot go towards the ground, and then it bounces of it really hard, creating a dangerous chance as well?
 
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I'm still loving the demo, trying not to play it too much though as it'll no doubt be changed a fair bit. It's still a vastly superior game compared to PES2012 though even as it is. My biggest concern however is that Konami don't mess with it too much. Having the new guy at the helm who seems to have taken the game in this direction is an encouraging factor that means hopefully they won't change things for the worse like they did with 2012.

This year's demo seems to be far more stable and advanced in the game's development compared to last year, probably because they're tweaking and refining rather than radically altering like they were last year, so that might also be a factor in how different the final version may or may not be to this demo.
 
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Thought Konami would have provided us with an accessible and efficient means of providing "sensible" feedback for demo one by now:CONF:
 
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question re patches for PC - is it possible to put more than 1 persons patch on the game? thanks
 
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pes 2013 is just simply amazing while i play the game i get flash backs from previous series of pes every aspect has been covered that makes pes stand out much more in 2013, the ball physx shots running almost everything reminds me of the whole concept of the game itself that we have played and the experience is breathtaking pes 6 we le pes 2009 everything is in 2013 i love the demo iv pretty much said what i wanted to, the demo is full of everything about pes.
 
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joeryan said:
I want to thank this man for saving the game.

Masuda+Kei+PES+2013.jpg
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I think is temporary. Masuda is leading 2013, just because Seabass is focused on 2014 with Fox Engine, ins't that obvious? One does not simple take off out of the project the father of PES .
Is just like Kojima left Metal Gear Rising project to Platinum Games team, because he's making some great game bomb with fox engine too.
 
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