PES 2013 Discussion Thread

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Jamezinho said:
Slight off-topic, but can anyone recommend the best mods for the PC demo?

I've been using the MxSoNiC demo tweak which was one of the first mods out, but now I see the PES2013 editing section has three pages of downloads!
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They are very active there, it's awesome!

I can recommend these:

1. Yair's playerswitching fix! It's unbelievable that yair can fix something Konami couldn't for the last two years.

2. Dr. Hany's nightturf-patch! Also, can't believe that Dr. Hany was able to make night-games look nice.

3. The White net-patch! It's much better than the default grey net.

4. We Hellas-patch adds about 100 teams to play. But using this means not being able to use yair's playerswitching fix. But it uses jenkey's mod as a base, and maybe jenkey has included Yair's playerswitching fix in it, I don't know.

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WOW. I just played the most accurate representation of football and of my favourite team. Using PC and Wehellas mod 1 bar assist and all other assist off.

Top player against Chelsea Lost 3-0, totally outplayed and feared that it was PES2012 like in the way they picked me apart.
Second game 2-0 Won. Just stopped and slowed down and taking people on when I saw the opportunity rather than try Messi and Iniesta.
3rd game Barca vs Man u. This game was phenoamenal it ended 2-2 but I really should have pounded them if it wasn't for De geas heroics. The football was totally barcas style I had large chunks of possession and played neat little triangles and close control.

This game keeps getting better and better.
 
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zeemeister said:
WOW. I just played the most accurate representation of football and of my favourite team. Using PC and Wehellas mod 1 bar assist and all other assist off.

Top player against Chelsea Lost 3-0, totally outplayed and feared that it was PES2012 like in the way they picked me apart.
Second game 2-0 Won. Just stopped and slowed down and taking people on when I saw the opportunity rather than try Messi and Iniesta.
3rd game Barca vs Man u. This game was phenoamenal it ended 2-2 but I really should have pounded them if it wasn't for De geas heroics. The football was totally barcas style I had large chunks of possession and played neat little triangles and close control.

This game keeps getting better and better.
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Yeah, we hellas-patch uses jenkey's mod as a base which changed gameplay a bit so that the CPU AI plays a bit more balanced and varied.

Still it's a bit disheartening that when I play with Real Madrid against Barcelona on superstar, that I have 64% possession.
 
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Someone else playing on vertical widecam? Love this on the pitch feeling that this cam gives, awesome!
 
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its still ridiculous that modders have to fix pes year in year out,wny cant konami programmers work the same way the modders do????
 
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I think one of the biggest issue is aerial balls.U cant even move and your player is locked on to ball.Why we cant go forward or backward to have an advantage or to figt for the ball..
 
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goalgerd said:
its still ridiculous that modders have to fix pes year in year out,wny cant konami programmers work the same way the modders do????
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There could be a few reasons:

1. Fanmodders are more motivated, because they do it out of fun. Fun and freedom is always a better motivation than being hired somewhere doing work and having to follow orders and ask for permission.

2. Fanmodders concentrate on specific things they improve while the Konami developers have to do many more things at once, therefore less love and focus on details.

3. Fanmodders have only one platform to develop for, the PC. So their mods can use the expanded possibilities and power of the PC, while Konami has to develop everything to be the same on different platforms, xbox360, PS3 and PC, ie. the weakest platform is the common denominator.
 
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aitken said:
pretty much spot on, i'd happily take the full game like the demo is the now, maybe with the odd tweak
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Huh? You would take it with the one-dimensional-CPU-AI, the awful playerswitching and the ugly nightgames-look?

Not me, I'm happy that PES 2013-demo is an improvement over PES 2012 in the areas of individuality, midfield-play, manual passing and shooting, but the demo needs a lot of polish yet.

I hope that Konami looks closely what the fanmodders improved in a few days and take a hint.
 
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henrys hand said:
Huh? You would take it with the one-dimensional-CPU-AI, the awful playerswitching and the ugly nightgames-look?
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one dimensional ai it may be but as an overall product, its a much better football game than last years for sure and if you have friends playing, the game is bliss.
 
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Can someone post a video or screenshot of the camera settings that HitmanUK wrote down? The FIFA dynamic cam style settings.
 
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Assisted through balls have no zip shame you can force everything to be manual from the start. pressing L2 in the heat of battle sometimes escapes me.
 
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About aerial balls, how come no one knows that you can modify movement slightly by pressing r2? I mean its been in the command list for years already. Plus you can use supercancel if you know you're not gonna get the ball, by moving in a defensive position. Not really an issue, i win alot of my headers that way
 
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On PES 2012(console) when you installed an option file, how many leagues ,excluding the Prem, can you get?

Also, is there anything that may suggest that this year there is a will be more slots for option file leagues (MLS, Bundesliga, etc)?
 
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AIR92 said:
About aerial balls, how come no one knows that you can modify movement slightly by pressing r2? I mean its been in the command list for years already. Plus you can use supercancel if you know you're not gonna get the ball, by moving in a defensive position. Not really an issue, i win alot of my headers that way
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i find it doesnt really work, trying to r2 into a player is like trying to walk into a brick wall, there should be much more of a tussle going on.

for instance on loose ground balls i can super cancel all day long intot he player to throw him off guard and shove him, but when an air ball that is going to land on your heads both the players are just sort of standing still (i have to note, this is only for headed balls, like goal kicks of corners, usually on air balls that you run onto- they are fine like ground balls)
 
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Everyone knows about it since ps2 days but the problem is when i am whipping in a freekick or a corner i am often busy adding swerve to the ball why cant my dumbass teammates go get it?
 
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henrys hand said:
Why do you say it wouldn't be possible to know wheter someone wants to unlock? Of course it's possible and it's done in other games successfully. The game has only to register the movement of the left stick by the user, if he is pushing while the player is on a rail, it means he wants to control and the game should adapt the rail to his command without losing the momentum of the player.
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Well it's certainly not 'successfully' done on FIFA, so I'm not sure which game(s) are your examples. As for your concept of 'the game has only to...', I think you're massively oversimplifying it. It would be very tricky for the game to interpret what movement (if any) was wanted dependent on the left analogue stick, as that is used for aiming - and - as you switch the left analogue stick is likely not in the correct position.

The sense that you're on a rail - particularly when it's for an extended time - is damned ugly. It is however far, far better than what FIFA does, which doesn't lock you into the ball automatically and makes 50-50s into lotteries.
 
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henrys hand said:
Yeah, we hellas-patch uses jenkey's mod as a base which changed gameplay a bit so that the CPU AI plays a bit more balanced and varied.

Still it's a bit disheartening that when I play with Real Madrid against Barcelona on superstar, that I have 64% possession.
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Damnit. Why'd he do that LOL I prefer not alter konamis gameplay!

I'll uninstall it and reinstall without it then.

I am more fascinated by my play rather than the CPUs and tbh the game didn't feel much different than when I just used the unlocker
 
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goalgerd said:
its still ridiculous that modders have to fix pes year in year out,wny cant konami programmers work the same way the modders do????
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That also produces in the end that every user (PC users) plays a different game using gameplay patch from different modders.

Someones plays default konami gameplay, others jenkey's gameplay and others yair's, and so go on

We want ONE decent free bugs enjoyable gameplay Konami like always should it be! :RANT:

Adding to that, i hate the customization relating to gameplay, like speed modes: -1 to +2, what the heck is that FGS?
One totally different thing is every team plays on his own speed but they all moves in one worldwide real time speed.

The customization must be oriented to the balls, stadiums, weather, etc. Not on the SPEED.

All this ends that every PES player plays his own game on his style. So on the moments of VS player, comes the "-I like to play on +2 speed" "- No i prefer -2" PURE CHAOS.
 
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What is the issue with player switching? On semi I have 0 issues I swear I got a special version that has less bitching points or is it my patch ;)
 
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I'm doing an experiment.

BARCELONA vs Flamengo
20 mins game
Superstar
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First, I choose Flamengo and mess their formation: I choose the lowest rated players, and the goalkeepers as forwards.

When the game begins, I switch to Barcelona.

EVENTS:

- Match starts.
- I score two goals with Barcelona within the first 10 minutes.
- I change Barcelona's formation to 5-3-2-1, to see if they can handle it.
- They do: Flamengo gets faster and accurate.
- Players like Xavi and Messi can't receive a pass without having problems to control the ball.
- RT dribbling with Messi, attempt a normal 180 turn. The ball escapes two meters away from him.
- Flamengo gets to have a few 1 on 1 with my keeper. Looks like I can't win without suffering.
- The once unstoppable Messi (when the game was 0-0) is now easily chased by Flamengo's weird backline. They often slide tackle him dangerously from the sides, no foul awarded.
- I, on the other hand, struggle to contain the dribbling skills and deadly passing accuracy of Flamengo's substitute goalkeeper playing upfront.
- Flamengo players keep their positions and play really well. Aparently the difference between a CB and a LW is cosmetic rubbish. Flamengo's pass accuracy was 80%, meaning their players knew their positions.


Overall, I won. 3-1 (Flamengo scored a FK). I had to sweat as much as I do when playing any other team.


Conclusion: difficulties levels > stats

And that's rubbish.
 
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Matty_17 said:
i find it doesnt really work, trying to r2 into a player is like trying to walk into a brick wall, there should be much more of a tussle going on.

for instance on loose ground balls i can super cancel all day long intot he player to throw him off guard and shove him, but when an air ball that is going to land on your heads both the players are just sort of standing still (i have to note, this is only for headed balls, like goal kicks of corners, usually on air balls that you run onto- they are fine like ground balls)
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True, there seems to be a lack of a jostling animation when that happens. I still find it quite effective for long balls, goal kicks, and clears. Even when there is no way to get in front of the player, i can still push him to the point where he completely miss the ball, or heads it wildly. I usually get infront of the player only when the cpu have not positioned himself yet, happens regularly.
 
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@ Xavi You putting a lot of effort there. Why not just try and enjoy the game rather than prove its broken?! LOL the good life starts when you stop wanting a better one.

I am going to do a "tour" and see if there's any difference playing smaller teams. Hope I get chance soon. I am itching to boot her up.
 
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zeemeister said:
@ Xavi You putting a lot of effort there. Why not just try and enjoy the game rather than prove its broken?! LOL the good life starts when you stop wanting a better one.

I am going to do a "tour" and see if there's any difference playing smaller teams. Hope I get chance soon. I am itching to boot her up.
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What would you do if you bought a cellphone that is advertised to have GPS, and when you get home you find out it has maps with no GPS function? Would you not complain to the company?

PES developers claim to have fixed things that are broken. Simple as that.
 
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Agree with Zee - some people go to great lengths to prove the game is broken, then post a video only to get proved wrong. Sure there are things not perfect. But it's a very early demo and to me, plays a lot better than the last couple of versions. If they can fix the night game lighting/contrast I'll be happy.

What's important is that a team plays according to their allocated gamestyle. Not that they have an equal amount of posession just for the sake of it. I believe Adam has said once that he's seen some teams play their own style. THAT is the key.

Although, whilst people want more options and sliders etc, Konami need to settle on a set of parameters that represent a good gameplay experience. For me, 2 bar passing is great at representing better passers well and the not so good passers have some increased error. If I want, I can make a manual pass with the button. How many times are you playing a ball into space when building up? Not on every pass! Not sure they need to keep 4 bars of passing and then have to make sure every one works properly.

Match length is even more important. For those of us who want the AI to build up more patiently, for which match length should this be balanced? 10 min, 15 mins? If they are really patient (where appropriate) do you only get 2 shots on goal each in a 10 minute match? Where do they draw the line?

I like 15 minute matches but if 10 mins is the standard for online games, perhaps they should make 10 the benchmark for balancing games against the AI? Most people play 15 or 20 min games because it seems more considered at that pace. But if I could get a great game in 10 mins, I'd play 10 mins since I can fit more games in.

p.s. I do really like the manual crossing so far :)
 
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xavi2009 said:
What do you do if you bought a cellphone that is advertised to have GPS, and when you get home you find out it has maps with no GPS function? Would you not complain to the company?

PES developers claim to have fixed things that are broken. Simple as that.
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They said keepers would be re-worked and whilst not perfect, they've been improved a lot.

Not sure your test with Barca and Flamengo is anything to go by nor does it break a promise made by Konami. You do realise that you're extending the gametime well beyond what they've intended you to play at? Who's to say a retail version will play the same way.
 
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AntrAcsA said:
Ohhh COME ON :TTTH: And that is the same guy who claims that a fake shot and shot cancel are the same thing !
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That why PES 6 is one of the best! Has 16 direction but is enough to feel free to do anything of yourself, what you want and what you can.
And when you think about that 360-degree movement , do not save PES 2010-2012 to be some of the worst in franchise
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:OOOH:
 
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CalcioCalabrese said:
They said keepers would be re-worked and whilst not perfect, they've been improved a lot.

Not sure your test with Barca and Flamengo is anything to go by nor does it break a promise made by Konami. You do realise that you're extending the gametime well beyond what they've intended you to play at? Who's to say a retail version will play the same way.
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I don't think the game is playing "tricky". As you may know, the players database is there (for example, added players like Robben have player ID), and the unlockers don't invent match times, they just make them available. That's why the stamina is correctly distributed in a 30 minutes match. So that makes the experience real.

As for what Konami promised to have worked on, they said to have solved the way teams track back, and illogical positional patterns. And that, coupled with scripting, is precisely what's wrong with the game.
 
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Just because the shot fake mechanics changed and you actually need a wee bit of skill to pull it off doesn't mean it's broken.

And I seriously think the people requesting for the shooting power to be reduced are going to regret that, sooner or later...
 
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