PES 2013 Discussion Thread

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Thespeedster84 said:
Yeah probably, better someone playing concoles shows a video what is like cpu cheating they are talking about, since i thought cpu ai play less crazy mode and they don't use excessive crazy dribbling like it was in 2012.
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Pes 2012 and pes 2013 both punish you if you play just pressing and running like crazy. The difference is: in pes 2012 every player seems to be Messi with crazy dribbling skills and super fast passing, while pes 2013 has a much better and slower pace without Messi-like players.

There are still some occasions where CPU has a stats boost, but they are rare compared to last year. I hope cheating will not be similar to pes 2012 levels with retail code
 
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I don't understand people saying that it's quite similar to Pes 12.For me,the most boring and shity football game ever made is Pes 12.But 13 really makes me feel different than all other Pes games in this gen.I agree there are some bugs and problems.But if they fix bugs and issues for the retail version,ı think this game will be quite enjoyable.And ı have question also,Is holding Rt+Rb super cancel that you are mentioning?
 
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The crazy dribblings of last year are reduced, although after I learned to play PES 2012 without the run-button and used R2 while defending the crazy dribblings were no problem to me anymore.

The cheating happens in other areas though:

1. Loose balls and rebounds, deflections... going more to the CPU.
2. Defenders get pulled off their position in the nick of time to allow a throughball-run or a heading.
3. Stat-boosts for defenders and attackers of the CPU to be a bit faster and stronger, and so they can faster recover from the stumbling-animation...
4. Balls get let through by defenders even though they could easily stop them, sometimes they even put their foot on the ball and it goes through nonetheless.

And the demo is merely friendly-matches, and as we know from PES 2012, the cheating gets upped in the competitive matches. So there is legitimate concern that offline-competitve matches might get ruined for top-player and superstar on consoles. On PC the modders will probably find a cure.
 
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i really don't understand what this whole cheating ai, just because things don't fall your way doesn't mean the ai cheat. last year it was clear with some of the pass they would make and your defenders stay static but the freedom of control with defenders this year make it alot easier to defend and in fairness, i think the ai need to be upped, its alot easier and wish they'd pass the ball/hold on to it more, making it more challenging
 
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aitken said:
i really don't understand what this whole cheating ai, just because things don't fall your way doesn't mean the ai cheat. last year it was clear with some of the pass they would make and your defenders stay static but the freedom of control with defenders this year make it alot easier to defend and in fairness, i think the ai need to be upped, its alot easier and wish they'd pass the ball/hold on to it more, making it more challenging
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Yes the AI is pretty tame and one-dimensional and needs to be more clever and more patient.

But from what I heard it's only so tame in the demo, in the preview-code it is much more challenging.

Edit: But the tameness of the AI and the signs for cheating are two different aspects.
 
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henrys hand said:
Yes the AI is pretty tame and one-dimensional and needs to be more clever and more patient.

But from what I heard it's only so tame in the demo, in the preview-code it is much more challenging.
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let's hope the various style of plays have actual impact :PRAY:
 
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zeemeister said:
I like how people struggle with a game and assume its the developers fault. Its for this reason konami keep toning it down to make it more accessible.
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Haha

Sir, in the event that I buy PES this year,I challenge you to a match upon release! :PIRATE:
 
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Godotelli said:
The power bar is ok? sometimes a short pass only goes like 1 yard, like a player is passing to himself. Add in the poor player switching and the on rails movement you end up with players from far away taking the ball that was meant for a player 2 meters away.
There's also inconsistencies between the power bar, the distance the ball will travel and the speed vs the different kinds of passes (lofted ball vs ground etc)
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I will agree. The game seems to struggle to work out what you're trying to do at times with short passing. The variable of power is the one i'm finding to be a problem with passes under-hit or over-hit (mostly like former) too frequently in really unnecessary situations. It's evidently the addition of a power that's causing the issue. I'm not entirely sure it's a necessary feature when playing 5 yard passes. Mostly in that situation it's the circumstance you're in that dictates how good a pass will be, not how much power you're applying. By a rule of thumb i can't imagine too many footballers over-hitting or under-hitting 5 yard passes when unpressured in the manner they seem to in the demo.

Also i'm really struggling with this shooting. It's silly. It's too consistently low, hard and accurate when shooting from long-range. Shooting seems context sensitive so when you're in certain positions on the pitch the ball purposefully acts differently. If you're shooting from more than 20 yards out the physics are a huge issue. I'd rather the game go full PES 6 and make long shots completely unpowerful compared to what we're seeing here. In my last match i shot from in the center circle with Terry and the keeper had to make a top corner save. I also consistently trouble the keeper by taking the ball from kick off and shooting. Try it. Pirlo also scored 2 30 yard rocket free kicks in the same game. They were more akin to freekicks from C.Ronaldo than the usual delicate but deadly Pirlo.
 
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Northzzz said:
I will agree. The game seems to struggle to work out what you're trying to do at times with short passing. The variable of power is the one i'm finding to be a problem with passes under-hit or over-hit (mostly like former) too frequently in really unnecessary situations. It's evidently the addition of a power that's causing the issue. I'm not entirely sure it's a necessary feature when playing 5 yard passes. Mostly in that situation it's the circumstance you're in that dictates how good a pass will be, not how much power you're applying. By a rule of thumb i can't imagine too many footballers overhitting or underhitting 5 yard passes when unpressured in the manner they seem to in the demo.
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In reality under pressure players pass with more direction-error, power is rarely a problem. The reason is that under pressure vision gets reduced and you have less time to aim well.

Of course there are some players who still can aim well even under pressure and reduced vision, so stats should play a role as well.

Currently I wouldn't advise to play with zero-bar, the best combination is imho 1-bar and using manual passing with L2/LT for more precise passes.
 
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Avareee said:
I agree with you, but they still could fix shooting, as its too powerful and too acurate atm. That makes shooting from distance too easy. I notice that, if you got push and pulled by a defender and shooot its still very acurate. Like you dont get pulled.
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Maybe, but if they tweak it I hope that they make sure that those shots aren't always fumbles like last year. Some shots could perhaps go a little more wide than now but I think they should keep some power. Like for example when a player takes a first-touch shot, once in a while it should balloon out of the stadium, that's maybe something you don't see enough in the game right now.
 
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Is it just me or is the CPU punished a lot less for fouls?

I'm not arguing with the fact the CPU does tackle so darn well in the game, more that the referee is a bit lenient on showing cards to them, but not to your team. I've gotten plenty of two yellows=>red card for players even for standing tackles.

I think early in the game, standing tackles should be let go with "telling-off" or player warning cutscenes, in real-life the cards start coming out a bit later unless it's an awful challenge.
 
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I had a game my opponent had at least 4 yellow cards at the end.
 
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Cpu cheats all the time. There defenders are super human and so are their attackers. Ibra with empty stamina was out running hy freshly subbed in CB.

All collisions and loose ball favour the cpu. Ozil can be fighting off phil jones and John terry and blast on into the top corner from 20+ yards. I try it ball gets blocked.
 
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avok23 said:
Cpu cheats all the time. There defenders are super human and so are their attackers. Ibra with empty stamina was out running hy freshly subbed in CB.

All collisions and loose ball favour the cpu. Ozil can be fighting off phil jones and John terry and blast on into the top corner from 20+ yards. I try it ball gets blocked.
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some of you are just poor pes players, dont know how to defend, dont know how to attack.
this game is not made for you, give it up
 
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Why can I not download this on Xbox? Keep getting a marketplace error but other demos download fine.
 
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avok23 said:
Cpu cheats all the time. There defenders are super human and so are their attackers. Ibra with empty stamina was out running hy freshly subbed in CB.

All collisions and loose ball favour the cpu. Ozil can be fighting off phil jones and John terry and blast on into the top corner from 20+ yards. I try it ball gets blocked.
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I'm a pretty average player but this year I am holding my own against the CPU on superstar level so to say they are super human in defense and attack I don't believe true. If anything I think they should be made better than they are at present in this demo.

I'm finding it quite comfortable to defend against all top players and going forward I am creating ample chances against top defenders to win most games.
 
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Godotelli said:
Maybe its 15%, I don't know, but all the same problems (expect GK) exist.

-Poor running animations and generally wooden/robotic movement.
-Players on rails
-It's more fluid but still nowehere near as fluid as it should be
-Weird power bar inconsistencies
-Ball dynamics inconsistencies
-0 aeriel battles
-Terrible sound FX and 0 atmosphere

THey've done very well with the Keepers but other than that this particular gamecode isn't a big enough improvement. This is what PES2011 or 2012 should have been.

PES annoys me greatly because there IS a great game in there somewhere but again it feels broken. I'm not a FIFA fanboy as was inferred up there^, I'm a PES "vet" who is saddened by how far PES has fallen
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fluid fluid fluid, i cant read that fluid any longer :TTTH:
go buy some fluid and smear it in your hair :DD
back then no one cared about it, pes3/4/5/6, go back try these games its 150% more robotic than pes09/010/011

animations = overrated
 
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This is really funny where "superfans" defend this demo to the death and just call anyone with any criticism as "trolls" and "fifa fans".
Do you guys not admit that there are a few flaws in this demo that can easily be ironed out for the final versions.

1) Inconsistencies in passing power bar. This might not affect ppl playing with full manual or no assist but with assist on there will be times when you have the same amount of power in power bar during passing and one will go 5 yards and another will go the whole length of the pitch.

1a) Problems with 1 touch passing. Sometimes the player will just tap the ball instead of passing. It's really weird.

2) Switching of players during attacks. Many times where the CPU decide to switch to the player further away when the ball is played to the nearer player. What happens is the nearer player will just stand there watching the ball while the further player will now run towards the ball.

3) Players letting balls through their legs. If you watch football in real life this doesn't happen quite often while in this demo it always happen. The best part is when the ball is moving slowly and the player just let the ball pass between his legs to an opposition behind him.

4) Floaty ball during throw out by GKs.

5) Arial battles no feedback. Maybe this is just me but how do you as a player fight for position to jump for a header?

Hopefully Konami is still working on the code and this is just a very early beta. The overall feel of this game is very very good. Just there are some niggling problems that takes away the enjoyment of this game. It just feels like you are "fighting" with the game when the above few issues occur.
 
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mrg220t said:
This is really funny where "superfans" defend this demo to the death and just call anyone with any criticism as "trolls" and "fifa fans".
Do you guys not admit that there are a few flaws in this demo that can easily be ironed out for the final versions.

1) Inconsistencies in passing power bar. This might not affect ppl playing with full manual or no assist but with assist on there will be times when you have the same amount of power in power bar during passing and one will go 5 yards and another will go the whole length of the pitch.

1a) Problems with 1 touch passing. Sometimes the player will just tap the ball instead of passing. It's really weird.

2) Switching of players during attacks. Many times where the CPU decide to switch to the player further away when the ball is played to the nearer player. What happens is the nearer player will just stand there watching the ball while the further player will now run towards the ball.

3) Players letting balls through their legs. If you watch football in real life this doesn't happen quite often while in this demo it always happen. The best part is when the ball is moving slowly and the player just let the ball pass between his legs to an opposition behind him.

4) Floaty ball during throw out by GKs.

5) Arial battles no feedback. Maybe this is just me but how do you as a player fight for position to jump for a header?

Hopefully Konami is still working on the code and this is just a very early beta. The overall feel of this game is very very good. Just there are some niggling problems that takes away the enjoyment of this game. It just feels like you are "fighting" with the game when the above few issues occur.
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Agreed, these are some of the issues with the demo.
 
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Tried some games with Yairs mod on -1 speed and it's quite a bit nicer.

Unfortunatley the thing I like most about PES is Online Master League so I hope Konami makes the base game at least as good as Yairs
 
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robik said:
some of you are just poor pes players, dont know how to defend, dont know how to attack.
this game is not made for you, give it up
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please dont be a fool i win half my games by 2-3 goals.
I am only ppointing out the bits that piss me off.
Did you hear me complain i cant score? The cheats help balance the scoring but are a frustraing experience. I never play to win i play to have fun now stfu and do ever quote me in such an idiot tic statement.

jammiedodger said:
I'm a pretty average player but this year I am holding my own against the CPU on superstar level so to say they are super human in defense and attack I don't believe true. If anything I think they should be made better than they are at present in this demo.

I'm finding it quite comfortable to defend against all top players and going forward I am creating ample chances against top defenders to win most games.
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Are you playing on PC? I remember in an earlier post i suspected the mods might be affecting the ai. As with my earlier reply i speak on the whole experience and not based on win/loss.

Criticism of the game-play should occur regardless of win or loose. I might have to start making videos to shut some people up.
 
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PES hardcore fans are usually blind and stupid and cannot understand they are being robbed every year. I pay money to get a game why should i be the one telling you how to nfix it? If you need me to do that give me a goddamn job and i will kick out half your staff and QA retards.
 
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