PES 2013 Discussion Thread
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Jamezinho
Golden Boot Winner
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I've tried my best with manual shooting but it feels a little generic. I'm not getting a sense of stats playing enough of a part in shooting. Assisted shooting is the way to go I think, as well as one or two bar passing.
I've tried my best with manual shooting but it feels a little generic. I'm not getting a sense of stats playing enough of a part in shooting. Assisted shooting is the way to go I think, as well as one or two bar passing.
Thespeedster84
Champions League
- 4 October 2010
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Fair enough vihn78.. each to their own. However, like it or not PES has went this direction.
I agree stats vs manual = output ? I believe konami team should work hard to balance both stuff.. In order to bring back PES fundamental to blend with current generation of freedom :p
I know it is been talked alot in the past, but example is manual pass
- Direction,
aim 45 degree, when stats came in.. the output can vary e.g 40,50 etc and so on.. Chance is with less passing stats e.g wider deviation, people might end up with.. "ouch, this manual does not work, it's to much assisted etc..
- Power,
Half power bar, a player can send a pass in 1s for 50 meter meanwhile other player might send it 40ms, 50ms, 1.10ms etc.. or even the variation of maximum distance of the ball travels. When greater variation coupled with player stats come into play.. chance might be there is gong to be some people screaming "ffs this power bar screw me, pes has got it wrong".
See the confusion that might arises ? And i think it is not as easy to get the perfect balance for stats along with manual freedom. In addition, how it is easier to convey the message to the user end while still providing fun factor, realism, stats, deeper user input and simplicity.
Aaanyway, screw some of PES demo's GK animation.. on the pitch everything seems 85% okay the quality of the animation.. GK 50% . Sure for me, it reduces the excitement of shooting, goal scoring to a certain degree..
Quantity is obvious not much, why not make the quality as real as possible.. Take some GK animation template from PES 6 or PES 2010
Not that it prevents from enjoying this demo though 
Fair enough vihn78.. each to their own. However, like it or not PES has went this direction.
I agree stats vs manual = output ? I believe konami team should work hard to balance both stuff.. In order to bring back PES fundamental to blend with current generation of freedom :p
I know it is been talked alot in the past, but example is manual pass
- Direction,
aim 45 degree, when stats came in.. the output can vary e.g 40,50 etc and so on.. Chance is with less passing stats e.g wider deviation, people might end up with.. "ouch, this manual does not work, it's to much assisted etc..
- Power,
Half power bar, a player can send a pass in 1s for 50 meter meanwhile other player might send it 40ms, 50ms, 1.10ms etc.. or even the variation of maximum distance of the ball travels. When greater variation coupled with player stats come into play.. chance might be there is gong to be some people screaming "ffs this power bar screw me, pes has got it wrong".
See the confusion that might arises ? And i think it is not as easy to get the perfect balance for stats along with manual freedom. In addition, how it is easier to convey the message to the user end while still providing fun factor, realism, stats, deeper user input and simplicity.
Aaanyway, screw some of PES demo's GK animation.. on the pitch everything seems 85% okay the quality of the animation.. GK 50% . Sure for me, it reduces the excitement of shooting, goal scoring to a certain degree..
Quantity is obvious not much, why not make the quality as real as possible.. Take some GK animation template from PES 6 or PES 2010
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Sometimes when passing forward, although the marking player will follow the striker, the players around that should have intercepted the pass, compeltely ignores the ball. Its almost like an exploit.
Imo, the two major problems are this and cpu behaviors; if they fixed them by the next demo, it'll be the best pes ever.
I know there is still player switching and collision problems, but i think those are minor issues. Cpu cheating, well i think in professional difficulty, it simply isnt there for me.
Sometimes when passing forward, although the marking player will follow the striker, the players around that should have intercepted the pass, compeltely ignores the ball. Its almost like an exploit.
Imo, the two major problems are this and cpu behaviors; if they fixed them by the next demo, it'll be the best pes ever.
I know there is still player switching and collision problems, but i think those are minor issues. Cpu cheating, well i think in professional difficulty, it simply isnt there for me.
Simcut
BF3 Addict
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Player switching is a massive pain in the arse imo
Player switching is a massive pain in the arse imo
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Of course for you to argue
Seriously though boys, can you help me with the format?
This is what I have in mind:
Outfield player:
Offence
Defence
Dribbling
1st touch
Animations
Passing
Crossing
Shooting
Freedom
Goalkeeper
Animations
Reactions
1-1s
Throws
Misc
Ball (weight & freedom)
Turf
Kits
Replays
Game speed
Framerate
Player switching
Etc.. Any ideas?
Of course for you to argue
Seriously though boys, can you help me with the format?
This is what I have in mind:
Outfield player:
Offence
Defence
Dribbling
1st touch
Animations
Passing
Crossing
Shooting
Freedom
Goalkeeper
Animations
Reactions
1-1s
Throws
Misc
Ball (weight & freedom)
Turf
Kits
Replays
Game speed
Framerate
Player switching
Etc.. Any ideas?
Thespeedster84
Champions League
- 4 October 2010
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CPU AI, camera, nets colour :p
If release date is going to be in the end of september, it means end of august the game must have been submitted to microsoft/sony yeah ? Sending the feedback very early as possible will have the chance for them to consider.. better to keep short as possible.
CPU AI, camera, nets colour :p
If release date is going to be in the end of september, it means end of august the game must have been submitted to microsoft/sony yeah ? Sending the feedback very early as possible will have the chance for them to consider.. better to keep short as possible.
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oh yes, cameras... what about custimising zoom/height like in fifa.... also so you know in 'blimp' mode (the one i personally use) it removes the radar for some reason...makes long passing to strikers impossible because you cant see them
oh yes, cameras... what about custimising zoom/height like in fifa.... also so you know in 'blimp' mode (the one i personally use) it removes the radar for some reason...makes long passing to strikers impossible because you cant see them
Thespeedster84
Champions League
- 4 October 2010
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No, customization is not possible i guess.. last chance is just replacing some current one with a better one.
No, customization is not possible i guess.. last chance is just replacing some current one with a better one.
DuduBR9
Champions League
- 25 July 2010
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I'm having a lot of fun playing Germany (me) vs Portugal on superstar. Aginst Italy I feel that the CPU attacking AI ressemble the CPU attack of Pes 2012 much more than when I play against Portugal, hence why I'm loving playing against the latter. Portugal has some of those attacking players that abuse those very quick dribles, but so do Italy with Cassano, who is bit annoying to mark 1-1. But against Italy, the attack is way too much base on counter attack and direct plays, it's something that Pes doesn't simulate well, it makes the game way faster and the movement over te defence gets a bit confuse to deal with it.
I've been testing the 2 bar and now I kow why some people are loving it. IMO the 2 bar passing ressembles sooo much the flow of PES old days, it is a very good balance for online game, it should be the maximum of pass assistance for online (2 bars). But nowadays, despite the fact that the game flows nice, I really think 2 bars a bit more arcadey because of forward passes, they ar always fast, but I notice that there's a realitic balance in forward passes in 2 bars: you tend to overhit the pass more often, wich makes it harder for the recieving player to control the ball.
Right now I'm playing in 0 bar mixing with the L2. I had been playing on manual, holding the l2 almost in every passe I make, but now I'm just using it when I really need to make a pass into space that I couldn't do with the normal pass. I realized that using the L2 for every pass, including just passing to the feet of your player, simply kills the flow of the game and it does NOT respresent the real game like it should. I think Konami should make the manual pass having the power bar as responsive as the normal pass, but that's my particular opinion. However, I do feel that the power of manual pass also dependes on individual player.
Longer post than usual, so sorry for my bad english.
I'm having a lot of fun playing Germany (me) vs Portugal on superstar. Aginst Italy I feel that the CPU attacking AI ressemble the CPU attack of Pes 2012 much more than when I play against Portugal, hence why I'm loving playing against the latter. Portugal has some of those attacking players that abuse those very quick dribles, but so do Italy with Cassano, who is bit annoying to mark 1-1. But against Italy, the attack is way too much base on counter attack and direct plays, it's something that Pes doesn't simulate well, it makes the game way faster and the movement over te defence gets a bit confuse to deal with it.
I've been testing the 2 bar and now I kow why some people are loving it. IMO the 2 bar passing ressembles sooo much the flow of PES old days, it is a very good balance for online game, it should be the maximum of pass assistance for online (2 bars). But nowadays, despite the fact that the game flows nice, I really think 2 bars a bit more arcadey because of forward passes, they ar always fast, but I notice that there's a realitic balance in forward passes in 2 bars: you tend to overhit the pass more often, wich makes it harder for the recieving player to control the ball.
Right now I'm playing in 0 bar mixing with the L2. I had been playing on manual, holding the l2 almost in every passe I make, but now I'm just using it when I really need to make a pass into space that I couldn't do with the normal pass. I realized that using the L2 for every pass, including just passing to the feet of your player, simply kills the flow of the game and it does NOT respresent the real game like it should. I think Konami should make the manual pass having the power bar as responsive as the normal pass, but that's my particular opinion. However, I do feel that the power of manual pass also dependes on individual player.
Longer post than usual, so sorry for my bad english.
Thespeedster84
Champions League
- 4 October 2010
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Impossible in terms of production time-frame, priority, etc. If i am not mistaken from WENB podcast, it also bounds to game engine stuff.. i am thinking about code optimization and game stability especially for online, since people can use much more different variety of camera angles.. Could be a part that Konami won't spend much time on it and even testing it.
Impossible in terms of production time-frame, priority, etc. If i am not mistaken from WENB podcast, it also bounds to game engine stuff.. i am thinking about code optimization and game stability especially for online, since people can use much more different variety of camera angles.. Could be a part that Konami won't spend much time on it and even testing it.
Deluxe
Championship
- 2 September 2005
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Btw, the modder MxSonic, made a camera mod for PC and Xbox version where you can put any camera angle height and zoom you like by puting somes values, even you can import the PES 2010 and 2011 camera. For the record, he's making these mod since PES 2011. An i love it. I like to play with the classic wide camera.
So if MxSonic could, why no Konami? Simple, because they're lazy.
You can check the mod here > http://www.evo-web.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=68254
Btw, the modder MxSonic, made a camera mod for PC and Xbox version where you can put any camera angle height and zoom you like by puting somes values, even you can import the PES 2010 and 2011 camera. For the record, he's making these mod since PES 2011. An i love it. I like to play with the classic wide camera.
So if MxSonic could, why no Konami? Simple, because they're lazy.
You can check the mod here > http://www.evo-web.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=68254
ccshopland
Premier League
- 4 January 2011
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I fear it's going to be another frustrating year.
After around 30 games now, there's so much in there that borders brilliance. Instead of focusing on the positives as many have touched on anyway, it would be quicker to list the negatives.
1) Shooting. Now it's too powerful.
2) The balance is now completely wrong. Absolutely love the fact that when I'm in possession it can be a midfield dogfight and patience passing round the back and probing the midfield is required. It's brilliant. BUT the CPU plays by different rules, programmed to go front back to front in as little moves as possible sodding the consequences of field position, possession loss, player individuality etc etc. It's as if the CPU just are programmed to give up possession inside five seconds and the coach has threatened to fire anyone that actually passes the ball in defence. THIS HAS TO BE SORTED. THIS IS A GAME BREAKER FOR ME. IF Konami could match the CPU cautiousness that the human needs to show, this game will be near enough the perfect football simulator.
3) Keepers. I still don't trust them.
4) Possession stats. Linked with point two. I don't even care now if Konani had some kind of possession code where if the human player is getting 60 per cent possession the code kicks in and the CPU just illusory play the ball around the back. At least it would give the game done downtime and help with the ebb and flow.
There are other minor gripes, but if Konami could sort this out, it's about all I could ask for. Some of the football you can play is now wonderful. Love the midfield scrap, love the defensive positioning and discipline.
I fear it's going to be another frustrating year.
After around 30 games now, there's so much in there that borders brilliance. Instead of focusing on the positives as many have touched on anyway, it would be quicker to list the negatives.
1) Shooting. Now it's too powerful.
2) The balance is now completely wrong. Absolutely love the fact that when I'm in possession it can be a midfield dogfight and patience passing round the back and probing the midfield is required. It's brilliant. BUT the CPU plays by different rules, programmed to go front back to front in as little moves as possible sodding the consequences of field position, possession loss, player individuality etc etc. It's as if the CPU just are programmed to give up possession inside five seconds and the coach has threatened to fire anyone that actually passes the ball in defence. THIS HAS TO BE SORTED. THIS IS A GAME BREAKER FOR ME. IF Konami could match the CPU cautiousness that the human needs to show, this game will be near enough the perfect football simulator.
3) Keepers. I still don't trust them.
4) Possession stats. Linked with point two. I don't even care now if Konani had some kind of possession code where if the human player is getting 60 per cent possession the code kicks in and the CPU just illusory play the ball around the back. At least it would give the game done downtime and help with the ebb and flow.
There are other minor gripes, but if Konami could sort this out, it's about all I could ask for. Some of the football you can play is now wonderful. Love the midfield scrap, love the defensive positioning and discipline.
info0
Banned
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I love keepers. If you own PC version and get club patches (WeHellas for example) you can see GKs react differently.
Casillas is amazing to be fair. So is Buffon.
The problem I have is this is first demo of 2. We already know that preview code is different and much more polished. That bothers me as to what they changed :/.
I love keepers. If you own PC version and get club patches (WeHellas for example) you can see GKs react differently.
Casillas is amazing to be fair. So is Buffon.
The problem I have is this is first demo of 2. We already know that preview code is different and much more polished. That bothers me as to what they changed :/.
jammiedodger
Premier League
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Is all the pass assistance and manual pass/shot going be the downfall of online gain this year. That's what I'm more worried about.
If konami do not drastically alter the format we will be stuck with the same problems as last year. Separate lobbies and the ability to see what assistance levels your opponent is playing with is a must.
Also chances to play a match again with the same opponent is a must. When you've just been beaten surely the last thing you want is to be thrown back into searching for another opponent for a quick match. You want a bloody rematch for god sake.
Options to upload goals to sharing platforms will like facebook, twitter and youtube would be nice.
plus an email like on fifa with all match stats etc(thing Fifa does really well)
Is all the pass assistance and manual pass/shot going be the downfall of online gain this year. That's what I'm more worried about.
If konami do not drastically alter the format we will be stuck with the same problems as last year. Separate lobbies and the ability to see what assistance levels your opponent is playing with is a must.
Also chances to play a match again with the same opponent is a must. When you've just been beaten surely the last thing you want is to be thrown back into searching for another opponent for a quick match. You want a bloody rematch for god sake.
Options to upload goals to sharing platforms will like facebook, twitter and youtube would be nice.
plus an email like on fifa with all match stats etc(thing Fifa does really well)
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AntrAcsA
Banned
- 8 November 2006
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I do not know if any of you have noticed it, but in PES 2013 have the option to use third person in a free kick, something similar to FIFA 13.
I do not know if any of you have noticed it, but in PES 2013 have the option to use third person in a free kick, something similar to FIFA 13.
Lons
AMIGA 1200 HARDCORE FAN!
- 15 December 2007
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100% agree. They should make proper match making with manual option for online players.
100% agree. They should make proper match making with manual option for online players.
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I still can't believe that one of the things that annoys me the most is still there. Where you are putting pressure on the CPU and they get a throw in deep in their own half, all of your players have suddenly backed off and left them loads of space and time to take a free throw in.
I still can't believe that one of the things that annoys me the most is still there. Where you are putting pressure on the CPU and they get a throw in deep in their own half, all of your players have suddenly backed off and left them loads of space and time to take a free throw in.
gabe.paul.logan
Retired Footballer
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i have seen it in 2012 aswell , maybe was random
i know that wiki is not a very reliable source but really the argentin league will be included?
PES 5 and 6.
i have seen it in 2012 aswell , maybe was random
i know that wiki is not a very reliable source but really the argentin league will be included?
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Just been robbed 'pes 2012 style'. I was portugal against germany on top player difficulty was up by 2 goals and controlling possesion all the time by ~70 %, but suddenly since 80 min cpu gone nuts with laser accuracy 1st touch passing and scored 3 in a row with as acurate low corner shots from ~20-25 meters. In the end i lost 2-3 and cpu had 4 shots toward goal and ~30 % possesion.
And it happens all the time, cpu plays horrible football, but perform few ridiculous moves and scores. Really bothering, since i started to get hang more with gameplay and manual controls. If they wont make cpu play proper football in final version instead of those occasional "magic" moves , all offline modes will be unplayable like in previous game.
Just been robbed 'pes 2012 style'. I was portugal against germany on top player difficulty was up by 2 goals and controlling possesion all the time by ~70 %, but suddenly since 80 min cpu gone nuts with laser accuracy 1st touch passing and scored 3 in a row with as acurate low corner shots from ~20-25 meters. In the end i lost 2-3 and cpu had 4 shots toward goal and ~30 % possesion.
And it happens all the time, cpu plays horrible football, but perform few ridiculous moves and scores. Really bothering, since i started to get hang more with gameplay and manual controls. If they wont make cpu play proper football in final version instead of those occasional "magic" moves , all offline modes will be unplayable like in previous game.
gabe.paul.logan
Retired Footballer
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hihhiiiiiiiiiii no ...scripting is still there .....well at least it was an exciting match, was it? at least for the scrpit lovers...
hihhiiiiiiiiiii no ...scripting is still there .....well at least it was an exciting match, was it? at least for the scrpit lovers...
wan_d7
League 1
- 9 June 2007
- Chelsea
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Couldn't agree more..
Couldn't agree more..
Can you point me in he right direction? Seriously thinking of doing his. Thanks.
Jimmy G-Force
Resident PES Fanman
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Simply stunning.
I only had time for a couple of games last night, but I did try this new Dynamic 1-2 option and I must say I find it to be a superb addition. Really impressed.
Simply stunning.
I only had time for a couple of games last night, but I did try this new Dynamic 1-2 option and I must say I find it to be a superb addition. Really impressed.
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Just a couple of questions I'd like to know.
1. How do you perform "Trapping"?
2. How do you perform the little side chip from last year? It used to be L2 + Click the Right stick in.
3. How do you perform a Long Range Drive shot? I could do them last year, but when I try this year, not working atall. And I do know only few people can do it
Just a couple of questions I'd like to know.
1. How do you perform "Trapping"?
2. How do you perform the little side chip from last year? It used to be L2 + Click the Right stick in.
3. How do you perform a Long Range Drive shot? I could do them last year, but when I try this year, not working atall. And I do know only few people can do it
jammiedodger
Premier League
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Was just having one of my best games so far tight 0-0 Germany v Italy then 85th minute I'm Put through on the half way line and I'm running towards goal being pressured slightly from behind from Italian defender and I notice the Italian GK not moving on the penalty spot so I'm just outside the righthand side of the box and I shoot, still the GK makes no attempt to move or make a great attempt to save just drops to his ass in horror that it's gone in.
Was just having one of my best games so far tight 0-0 Germany v Italy then 85th minute I'm Put through on the half way line and I'm running towards goal being pressured slightly from behind from Italian defender and I notice the Italian GK not moving on the penalty spot so I'm just outside the righthand side of the box and I shoot, still the GK makes no attempt to move or make a great attempt to save just drops to his ass in horror that it's gone in.
Jamezinho
Golden Boot Winner
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Check the PC Building Thread. Post in there with your budget and you'll get some good advice.
Check the PC Building Thread. Post in there with your budget and you'll get some good advice.
Jimmy G-Force
Resident PES Fanman
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I also tried the new little tricks/feints that have now been allocated to the Left Stick/D-Pad and the Right Stick. These actually work very well, especially the toned-down Ronaldo Chop move to change direction quickly. They also seem to be player specific with certain feints. I wasn't 100% with it, but I'm sure if your running from left to right, tap right on the Left Stick then up or down on the Right Stick to perform them.
I also tried the new little tricks/feints that have now been allocated to the Left Stick/D-Pad and the Right Stick. These actually work very well, especially the toned-down Ronaldo Chop move to change direction quickly. They also seem to be player specific with certain feints. I wasn't 100% with it, but I'm sure if your running from left to right, tap right on the Left Stick then up or down on the Right Stick to perform them.