PES 2013 Discussion Thread

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Northzzz said:
I think they just ignore it. They've seen how successful Fifa is with that brand of football and have looked to replicate it. They've replicated it pretty well to be honest but it started with PES 2012. Ease of attack over defence yadayada.
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CPU-AI's play is totally boring and predictable. I can easily stop them everytime because I know exactly what they will do, they have only three different forms of attack and it's always as quickly to the front as possible. My possession-rate is always above 65%.

And yet, on top-player and especially on superstar the CPU still manages to score. Why? Because of massive cheating, nothing else!

If that doesn't get changed massively, playing against the CPU is useless, at least on consoles. On PC I bet the modders will make the CPU play varied and interesting.
 
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All love the demo ... Now konami must release info about online mode and, to have minimum 4 vs 4 room and group matches :)
 
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Matty_17 said:
has anyone figured out the low drive shot yet?
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just figured it out... you have to hold L2, then shoot, then press Y.... so damn stupid.... WHY DO WE NEED TO USE MANUAL BUTTON!!?

youre better off passing it in to the net (seriously... pressing pass finishes along the ground and its just one button)
 
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Finally people realize that the AI knows one way of doing things regardless of the tactics for each team and players stats. I've been pointing this out BEFORE the demo, it was visible in the videos and in their text info.

In fact, the AI problem is deeper than most people think.

Let's hope modders and global editors can pull the miracle.
 
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more games..

shots :)

manual and semi-manual
almost all go to goal 90%
playing top level player

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Oh, you included a picture of a rocket launch to show us you think the shots are too strong..
 
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So after reading it here, I decided to try Top player (started on regular to come to grips with everything, didn't notice much difference after changing to professional).

Top player definitely made playing the game EVEN better than before! The CPU attacking style even felt more varied, although that might not be accurate.

As a side note, I don't get all the complains about shots. Many times I miss the goal completely even from reasonably close range which is something I quite enjoy.
 
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tc811 said:
:LOL: Seriously though, some shots and passes do travel at an unrealistic pace.
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Let it be like that ffs. If they start fiddling with the power we'll get the floaty bullshit again.

Fun factor above everything please, for what's left of this engine...
 
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_anderson said:
Let it be like that ffs. If they start fiddling with the power we'll get the floaty bullshit again.

Fun factor above everything please, for what's left of this engine...
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Agreed. Shooting is a heck of lot better than the confusing and unsatisfying system we had last year.
 
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I think the power of the shots is ok, what I don't like is that most shots are going on goal. There should be more error, so that shots done with the outside of the foot can go wide, especially for the CPU on top-player and superstar, but also for us humans.

It's not realistic that more than 90% of shots are on goal.
 
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After more or less 100 games played, and after the initial entusiasm passed, i think i will definitely give up with pes, or at least for this season, and here are my motivations.

At the beginning i must admit i wanted to convince myself to be optimistic, to try to learn how to play the game, to really never give up no matter how many times the CPU kicks my ass. But then i realized that its not the game the real problem. What is wrong its me, its the fact that i simply cant used to all those manual machanics the game has to offer.
One example is shooting. With the pes (and with pes 2012 too) the normal shoot with square seems not stats based anymore to me. It seems more a random choice based on the level of the CPU I am playing all the time Italy against Portugal, and i menage to shoot on target a lot, but all my shoots goes against the keeper when i play on Superstar, no matter where i aim. On the other hand i played just one match at regular and managed to win 8-1 cause suddenly all my shoots were spot on (still speaking about normal shoot with SQUARE). I truly prefer to play old games where the shooting was totally based on the stat of the player, and where i dint need to press any other button than the SQUARE to realize nice goals. I wish happy gaming to all of you, and please consider my long post just like the post of a grumpy guy that could not upgrade his brain to the new level of freedom and is still too much involved and in love with the old nice rails and assisted passes (and by assisted i mean the fact i dont have to press longer for a long pass, cause on new pes even on full assisted you still have to decide the power of every single pass you make) of old time.

Happy gaming guys :)
 
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It's really a great improvement i find, muuuch better than PES 2012, players ID is so damnn good, Ronaldinho and Pirlo's magic touch is all there...a pure joy. just one thing tho, shooting is a bit too strong and easy i find...you can miss ofc, but mainly coz keepers are much better, they are so damn good really, the new animations and improvement of the keepers are very spot on, but except keepers, shots are pretty much always on target...and usually VERY strong...i scored a missle (literally) with pirlo, which in real life never does(he aims more for accuracy rather than power) and he doesnt even have that high of a shoot power.

And seeing the faces list, a LOT of new faces which m really looking forward to "disocover", and finally, i really hope there is no AI cheat in Ml like last year...very frustrating.

PS: it's scheduled to be released September 15th right?
 
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Kenny_C said:
It's really a great improvement i find, muuuch better than PES 2012, players ID is so damnn good, Ronaldinho and Pirlo's magic touch is all there...a pure joy. just one thing tho, shooting is a bit too strong and easy i find...you can miss ofc, but mainly coz keepers are much better, they are so damn good really, the new animations and improvement of the keepers are very spot on, but except keepers, shots are pretty much always on target...and usually VERY strong...i scored a missle (literally) with pirlo, which in real life never does(he aims more for accuracy rather than power) and he doesnt even have that high of a shoot power.

And seeing the faces list, a LOT of new faces which m really looking forward to "disocover", and finally, i really hope there is no AI cheat in Ml like last year...very frustrating.

PS: it's scheduled to be released September 15th right?
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Nothing confirmed as far as I know but Shopto has it listed for 5 Oct and Gamestop has it listed for 25 Sep in North America...
 
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Only real issue for me is just the keeper throw outs, theres a few issues here and there but expect to get tweaked,
the goalkeeper throws shouldnt float not even half as much as they do.
 
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DagsJT said:
Really good demo and feels improved from PES 2012 by quite a bit.

BUT when will Konami realise this is football and not basketball? Matches aren't always end-to-end and the AI is still non-existent in its building up from the back. Not a gamebreaker but it's close to it. Getting a bit fed up of constantly having 60% possession because the AI only ever wants to get the ball to its forwards.
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Ay, While I would probably moan and be frustrated after(:D), I would be overjoyed to be playing Barcelona and feel helpless at the fact Xavi and Iniesta and co wouldn't let me get a touch.
 
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vihn78 said:
I truly prefer to play old games where the shooting was totally based on the stat of the player, and where i dint need to press any other button than the SQUARE to realize nice goals. I wish happy gaming to all of you, and please consider my long post just like the post of a grumpy guy that could not upgrade his brain to the new level of freedom and is still too much involved and in love with the old nice rails and assisted passes (and by assisted i mean the fact i dont have to press longer for a long pass, cause on new pes even on full assisted you still have to decide the power of every single pass you make) of old time.
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I agree with the sentiment here. I'm not a fan of fully manual either. I know its a choice, but its not if you want to play onlin with a fair playing field. It's diluted the influence of stats too much for me, there seems negligible difference in passing and shooting in recent versions.
 
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vihn78 said:
After more or less 100 games played, and after the initial entusiasm passed, i think i will definitely give up with pes, or at least for this season, and here are my motivations.

At the beginning i must admit i wanted to convince myself to be optimistic, to try to learn how to play the game, to really never give up no matter how many times the CPU kicks my ass. But then i realized that its not the game the real problem. What is wrong its me, its the fact that i simply cant used to all those manual machanics the game has to offer.
One example is shooting. With the pes (and with pes 2012 too) the normal shoot with square seems not stats based anymore to me. It seems more a random choice based on the level of the CPU I am playing all the time Italy against Portugal, and i menage to shoot on target a lot, but all my shoots goes against the keeper when i play on Superstar, no matter where i aim. On the other hand i played just one match at regular and managed to win 8-1 cause suddenly all my shoots were spot on (still speaking about normal shoot with SQUARE). I truly prefer to play old games where the shooting was totally based on the stat of the player, and where i dint need to press any other button than the SQUARE to realize nice goals. I wish happy gaming to all of you, and please consider my long post just like the post of a grumpy guy that could not upgrade his brain to the new level of freedom and is still too much involved and in love with the old nice rails and assisted passes (and by assisted i mean the fact i dont have to press longer for a long pass, cause on new pes even on full assisted you still have to decide the power of every single pass you make) of old time.

Happy gaming guys :)
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great post:))
 
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vihn78 said:
After more or less 100 games played, and after the initial entusiasm passed, i think i will definitely give up with pes, or at least for this season, and here are my motivations.

At the beginning i must admit i wanted to convince myself to be optimistic, to try to learn how to play the game, to really never give up no matter how many times the CPU kicks my ass. But then i realized that its not the game the real problem. What is wrong its me, its the fact that i simply cant used to all those manual machanics the game has to offer.
One example is shooting. With the pes (and with pes 2012 too) the normal shoot with square seems not stats based anymore to me. It seems more a random choice based on the level of the CPU I am playing all the time Italy against Portugal, and i menage to shoot on target a lot, but all my shoots goes against the keeper when i play on Superstar, no matter where i aim. On the other hand i played just one match at regular and managed to win 8-1 cause suddenly all my shoots were spot on (still speaking about normal shoot with SQUARE). I truly prefer to play old games where the shooting was totally based on the stat of the player, and where i dint need to press any other button than the SQUARE to realize nice goals. I wish happy gaming to all of you, and please consider my long post just like the post of a grumpy guy that could not upgrade his brain to the new level of freedom and is still too much involved and in love with the old nice rails and assisted passes (and by assisted i mean the fact i dont have to press longer for a long pass, cause on new pes even on full assisted you still have to decide the power of every single pass you make) of old time.

Happy gaming guys :)
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Really gets on my nerves when people say "I'm giving PES a miss this year" - it's the first of 2 demos, wait for the 2nd demo to hit before saying "I'm going to give this a miss" :|
 
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