The thing is you actually can do it with the current PES engine or at least get closer than I think Konami think they can.
By raising the teamwork of the best teams to the high 80's and then these range down to the mid to high 70's for lower teams combined with a realistic difference is skill stats like passing speed and quality you can get to point where the physical side of players is about realistically what it should be and the quality of the team you are playing against dictates how well they play against you and how hard a game it is, rather than the physical shot commings of your own team.
I totally agree Chimps. This is why KONAMI need to poolk together the best talents if their own team cannot do it or be bothered to do it. You for example spend probably hundreds of hours tinkering with stats of each individual person on the PS3, and so you have pride shining through that you got Berbatov right, or Aguero etc etc. This is the kind of detail that needs to be implemented. The stats are ONE of the biggest things in making the gameplay work; without accurate stats that go hand in hand with the engine and the type of football you want the game to show off, the game becomes a mess.
Your PS3 editing has been stunning. But you can't do anything about scripted loften through balls for example, or the general scripting at the higher levels.
On the PC, a few memebers have been chip chipping away at the exe files to make the game better. I have mixed for instance, a remix version 1.3 patch of Yair/Nesa combined with Jenkey's stuff to get the best possible game that I can muster. BUT, the PC version lacks the type of individual player love and attention that you provide on the PS3 for example!
Really, I simply cannot understand KONAMI, but even a month after their out of the box mess was released we had brilliant community people doing everything from stadiums, to hd textures, to gameplay patches, to kits and player faces, etc etc.
ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I WOULD HAVE DONE IF I WAS SEABASS WAS SAY RIGHT I'M GOING ON THESE FORUMS TO SEE WHAT TYPE OF MAGIC ORDINARY PEOPLE CAN COME UP WITH.
The stuff that the community has done is a hundred times better than the KONAMI development team.
I would say right, 'who's this Klash character, and Chimps, and Jenkey and Yair etc' and ALL the crews that bring out masses of product improvement in terms of gameplay, graphics and kits. Get them all together all expenses paid, and gather the best of the brains in different departments. Fk me, Chimps you could be the 'Stat Consultant' or something, and your sole purpose would be to get all the stats right for each individual as well as blending them into a teamwork frame which works.
And the same for Jenky and Yair etc who do the gameplay stuff. It's not fkin rocket science. The problem is, is that I honestly think us on the forums know a hundred thousand times more about football than KONAMI. We live and breath it, I watched some Brazilian fkin game a couple of nights ago at one in the morning for fk's sake!! Why? Because it was on, and I love football.
If anyone wants proof that the current engine AND current game CAN work, then I can provide full matches of Chimps stuff on the PS3 and Jenkey's/Yair's on the PC. There are aspects wrong with the game I am not saying, but honestly KONAMI and mot people on these forums are only getting about 60% out of this game I reckon. I played a game yesterday a Europa second leg tie, with all my settings coming together, and it was heaven. Both from me and the CPU. Full blown sim, zero assist, Superstar with gameplay at 90 speed, and lots of other things tweaked.
KONAMI really have shot themselves in the foiot just by not appreciating THEIR OWN GAME and what can be achieved in it with some love and care of players stats, less scripting, and good tactical setups.
....I've put up a little goals video in the video thread