It still doesn't have important licensing deals (like the Premier League)
So the UEFA Champions League, Europa League, Copa Libertadores, Serie A, Liga BBVA, Ligue 1, don't mean nothing to you? I'm sorry but ignoring all that and only classifying the BPL as "important" is ignorant. Most of the big licenses are in, apart from the BPL and Bundesliga, which are exclusive to EA until the contract runs out.
Everything in life comes to an end, even life itself. The end of PES is coming too. You might troll me for this, but its the same feeling deep down in your gut you know it too. Enjoy whatevers left of Konami and if you have PES5/We9Le and other PS2 titles. Seabass will also realize this and will retire from PES too.
We've been hearing this since 2008 now, and as far as I know, the franchise is still selling by the bucket-load.
Stop exaggerating.
Sorry to bump but pretty pretty please with sugar on top;
IS the ML still 2 divions? Cant figure it out
Want to start D2 with lower tier European teams and D1 with all big teams...IS it editable like recent years?
Yes it is mate.
@ iluvnineties
I kind of agree with what you are saying. PES is in the doldrums both as a game, and in the public conscience, which is really sad given the proud history of the ISS & PES series. I do wonder how they can ever get back to the days when PES was considered the undisputed number one football game. FIFA has improved markedly in all areas, pushing the tech boundaries for football games, while retaining it's licensing stronghold. It moves and animates smoothly and realistically, looks great, sounds great, works well online and has loads of licences and content. The all-important gameplay is the only area slightly lacking for me, but even so you could say it's the all-round product.
Having said that, PES2012 is the best PES game on this gen (not hard really) and the series is moving forward, just nowhere near as quickly as it should be. In many ways PES2012 is still a PS2 game underneath, no matter what anyone says about engine re-writes. Animations are simply not good enough, and look jarring all too often, with a lack of variety. PES5 had a much bigger variety of animations, particularly player-specific, which is a sad state of affairs. Collision detection is another area still in the PS2 age. While FIFA's impact engine is not perfect, it is at least what I expect of a football game in 2011. Ball physics still don't feel 100% free, and a little pre-ordained in places.
I'm not trying to put a downer on PES2012 as it's a fine football game, with great AI, and still maintains the sense of player individuality the series is known for. It's a refined PES2011, nothing more. Which is all I was expecting from Konami given their track record. But I can't lie, PES2012 is so far behind where I thought we would be six years on from PES5. It still feels like the same game, using the same tech and engine. Not a bad thing, but not what I was hoping for. The fact is some parts of the game are still not as good as six years ago.
I've seen enough to know that PES2012 will be keeping me entertained for many months, and with the lack of choice in the football game market I should be grateful for that.
Also, we should remember that while PES is given short-shrift in the UK, US and many other European countries, in other parts of the world the game is still king and outsells FIFA comfortably. I think the best thing Konami can do is keep refining what they've got for the next couple of years but in the background make a real concerted effort to push the boundaries and hit the PS4 & NeXtBox with a bang.
I don't agree with everything iluvnineties say and specially the way he exaggerates things, but I do agree with almost everything you've said there. I think Konami shouldn't take Seabass for granted, and give him all the love and toys he needs to create the genius game he wants.
anyone who thinks EA's title is a true soccer sim, is a complete moron.
Good post overall, but this part was unnecessary. Just let people have their game of choice and call it what thy want.
Hmm. I'm not really sure where I'm at with PES 2012. At times it plays beautifully - better than any football game I've ever played but oh my GOD the flaws are just unbelievable at times. Have to admit I expected better considering how good it was a few months ago - it feels that it's barely gone forward and even gone backwards in some areas.
Gameplay wise it's my football game of choice this year but that isn't saying much. Gameplay wise it's about... 70% really good, 10% OK and 20% fucking awful.
There's something that has been annoying me for a while now. I remember one of the reasons I liked the code I played back in August was because the cpu committed themselves to a tackle, compared to 2011 where they would follow you like your shadow without momentum. Now in the full game, I feel it's back to that, and I'm not liking it. Sometimes they do commit, and you can wrong foot them, but many a time they just shadow you with no weight. For example, when having a throw-in near the opposition's box, try moving another player in the box with R3, watch how the cpu shadows you weightless. You simply cannot get away from them!
Then why release such a crappy game in the first place? If you're not ready to do something why do it in the first place
Good thing I have WE9Le otherwise I would probably play SWOS instead.
Because it is business. Game is a cash-cow to Konami. Seabass takes orders to do whatever he can with limited resources and release the game on time. If you can't enjoy the game, go back to WE9LE or SWOS. Simple. You've been ranting about this for ages now and sound like a broken record now.
I also enjoyed DEMO 2 to a certain degree but KONAMI simply ruined many important aspects in the final code, consumer version.
Can anyone reach to that clown Seabass and put some sense in his thick scull ? I mean, he is not the president.
It pisses me off when KONAMI announces something like "we listened to the fans" ....WHAT ON EARTH FANS ??
you stupid fucks.
I don't care about animations to be honest but give me a good fucking gameplay for once. They said once they start building on next gen things will even improve and look at where were now.
There are people that actually like the game I have to respect that but more and more and more people find this game a complete JOKE. I see it on every forum ...
Guys who used to be fans are not fans anymore. KONAMI thank you for good years in the 90's and early-mid 2000 but you deserve to be put out of business by EA.
Seabass needs to go. Hire someone else. BLOW IT UP. Its time for a change.
Is that all you can come up with? Resorting to childishness thinking you're talking common sense? Resorting to statements like "Seabass needs to go" and "that clown Seabass and put some sense in his thick scull" and "you stupid fucks" don't exactly make a healthy discussion and make any sense. You appreciate what he has done for the PS1 and PS2 but then you go ape-shit against him and want his head. Has it ever occurred to you that Seabass take orders from above? He said a few times he needs more time and even mentioned in his last interview that they needed more time to understand the PS3 to take advantage of it's potential. But does that mean the guys above will give him years to perfect the football game he loves? No. To them, it's a cash-cow. Think they could care less about us apart from the cha-ching in our pockets.
Think of Seabass and his team for a minute vs his greedy boss. Think of how they transitioned into a new console and haven't had enough time and resources to fully take advantage of it. Compare their team with EA's fgs. No wonder it took them ages to try and understand PS3's system. EA have been preparing for next-gen. They had and poured enough resources to make sure they impress. Konami, not Seabass, probably thought leaving the game in its state, the PS2 state since it was successful, was a brilliant idea. You the how the saying goes, if it ain't broke don't fix it. As for Seabass, I'm pretty sure if it was up to him, he would've loved some of that EA treatment. He even said it himself, that he would love to get his genius fingers on EA's tech and resources. Cut the guy some slack will ya. I'm not saying he's done nothing wrong though, I'm pretty sure he did at some point. We all make wrong decisions. But what I'm saying is that he should get more respect from all of us for what he's done, and what he still tries to do with what limited resources under his palms.
If we demand change, it should be Konami's policy towards their PES franchise. We should demand much more resources given to Seabass and co, given the man's proven genius work.
Imho, the man is nothing short of a genius. I'm pretty positive of it. Sometimes I think he should quit Konami and join EA, ONLY if he's given freedom to work on it without orders of "catering to the casual masses first and foremost". Frigging hell, if I had the "sheikh money" to create a football game, I'd do all it takes to hire him and give him all the toys he needs.
