PES 2011 was realistic in some respects, but in other fundamental areas it fails quite badly which I think gets overlooked. hopefully PES 2012 does a better job and it looks like it will do.
The more respected members on these forums are so because they are objective and put forward good arguments to help the games progress and can see the bad points and aren't afraid to address them.
We all want the best footy game we can get and both PES and Fifa are quite far away from being great imo. The only way they are going to improve are if people say what is wrong with the games and don't just accept mediocrity.
I myself at times have questioned myself why the hell i play a game in which has the worst collision detection i've seen in a long, long time, FIFA PS2 level bad, why i play a game in which has that same stupid no momentum crossing animation, crap player switching and at times some awful, good awful animation transitions and players getting stuck in animations.
Then all the individuality in dribbling, passing, the AI the tactics shows itself. It's so good you don't think about the flaws too much.
Sorry i have to pull you up on this. You are wrongly comparing a next gen title with a last gen title side by side. Do that and of course it doesn't match up. You have to put it in context of the time it was released.
Wait, your the one who keeps saying the last gen games where better, so that's why i made the comparison!
For the time when Pes was released ps2 it was way ahead, way ahead. It astounded and pleased. For the time there was nothing to match it, we didn't see the rails or many of the flaws, we didn't expect more than what we got. It was good for its time.
And do you still refuse to open your mind to my point? i said before. PES was the king of the PS2 and was miles ahead. But what was it's competition? Did fifa have anything in gameplay to hold a candle to PES? No, nothing!
Did you conveniently duck my point about the flaws in PES with scripted goals, AI cheating being swpet under the carpet and even seen as skill?
In comparison Fifa was Poor, really poor in my opinion like what Pes is now.
Now, that's just rubbish, seriously PES now as bad as FIFA was back then? The only reason FIFA stayed alive was licenses. There are many people here and all over the world who love the individuality and other things like tactics which PES gives you and FIFA never has. Things like editing also. Look at the huge community on this website.
They couldnt get the gameplay right.
They still got it right haven't but they have animations
The models were less fluent, the action was very rigid and scripted,
Again not true.
I remember when FIFA 07 hit on the PC and PS2, it actually felt a lot more free compared to the rigid on rails PES, PES 6 was still miles and miles better than FIFA but it was a sign of things to come.
Pes in its time now is lacking, considering the power it has at its disposal
What power? Do you know how much EA pump into their game compared to what Konami has? Konami has a fucking enlarged cupboard for it's audio room and has a small Motion capture studio.
Now compare that to EA with a huge, gigantic motion capture studio which is built by EA Sports Canada for a number of sports titles, not just FIFA. PES is the only sports title run by Konami! EA are the biggest game company in the world and are not afraid to throw money at it's games to bully it's way to the summit! This is what they have done with all their titles. Providing all of them with a brand new engine in 2005 to build from where at the same time everyone was sucking Konami off and making out as if the game was perfect.
EA was aggressive and it payed off with FIFA 08 which bitchslapped PES 2008, why EA piss me off is that with FIFA 09, they had the footballing game world in their hands but it seems David Rutter decided to bring FIFA back to it's arcade roots with the Through ball, Crisitano Ronaldo = Goal Sprintfest which was FIFA 09. you would think with PES 2009 being arcadey again EA would finally kill of PES? No, again they served up another casual player orientated title!
It took a long time for Konami to wake up and realize PES was shit, but EA, I'm sorry are idiots for allowing Konami get back on track! I was angry with Konami at the time! But i see now they are really, REALLY trying with PES! They really want to give us the fans the game we want. They want to please everyone where as EA just want to take your money and run!
Nice visuals do not a game make, and i would argue that even the old gen game, had for its time, better animation than what we expect of Pes to have for what it is at this moment.
Wake up and smell the coffee. Games are big, big buisness and Konami just do not have the financial muscle EA do! In the PS2 Era PES could compete toe to toe. But now if you ain't got the cash and a company throwing huge sums of money to develop Impact engine and other lovely, sexy animations! That's just how it is!!