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PES 2011 Discussion thread

I uninstalled the patch earlier and there was no noticable effect on gameplay, I had to double check the title screen to make sure that the version had changed. The player switching was no different, the shooting was the same, the only thing that I noticed was that in ML the players are really cheap. Even the greater CPU pressure that I originally complained about was the same.
 
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Guys, quick question
even that I've enough money in ML
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I still receiving this message
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Any idea why?
 
So everyone hates the game?


Meh, well i think your all voice your opinions and make it better next year, i don't really have the passion for PES even anymore, I'll carry on over at PES elite leagues when i can and that's about it.

Nice knowing you people :) (I'm not leaving i just cba to discuss PES anymore :) )
 
klashman69 said:
So everyone hates the game?


Meh, well i think your all voice your opinions and make it better next year, i don't really have the passion for PES even anymore, I'll carry on over at PES elite leagues when i can and that's about it.

Nice knowing you people :) (I'm not leaving i just cba to discuss PES anymore :) )
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Well, yes ! The game is just.. broken !
If you are looking for something to like, most likely to find, but at the same time will pop up at least а double things to hate and not even looking for them.
Anyway! The next game will be the same whit the same problems, even more, because as*kissers in WENB write only bullsh*t from nobody actually benefit, again from Konami will not get real feedback and criticism they need.
 
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klashman69 said:
So everyone hates the game?


Meh, well i think your all voice your opinions and make it better next year, i don't really have the passion for PES even anymore, I'll carry on over at PES elite leagues when i can and that's about it.

Nice knowing you people :) (I'm not leaving i just cba to discuss PES anymore :) )
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No. Some people like it....infact a lot more than before.
 
Ern Dog said:
I uninstalled the patch earlier and there was no noticable effect on gameplay, I had to double check the title screen to make sure that the version had changed. The player switching was no different, the shooting was the same, the only thing that I noticed was that in ML the players are really cheap. Even the greater CPU pressure that I originally complained about was the same.
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I agree with you on the shooting & switching(which is still broken)
but the pressure i thought mainly applies to the green zone which
has been fixed. ml prices the market value of a player has not been
changed. cause i've had £40m bid for torres, £25m for gerrard & maxi plus shelling out £15m for rami which seems
pretty realistic.

One thing im worried about at the moment is that i'm playing
as liverpool just got promoted, while the epl league finish looked
realistic i don't know about the challenge due to lack of goals from
the big strikers, drogba, rooney, anelka 10 a piece for the season.
 
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while the other leagues where pretty much the same bar
la liga with the top strikers hitting 15-20 goals, i am playing
with goalgerd/quiffs file so i'll finally see what happens.

or i'll restart again in la liga, i wonder if anyone else
has had the same experience?
 
IIHUII said:
Well, yes ! The game is just.. broken !
If you are looking for something to like, most likely to find, but at the same time will pop up at least а double things to hate and not even looking for them.
Anyway! The next game will be the same whit the same problems, even more, because as*kissers in WENB write only bullsh*t from nobody actually benefit, again from Konami will not get real feedback and criticism they need.
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Crying much?

It's called constructive criticism. All you ever do is bashing Konami and everyone who likes the game, without any real useful input.
 
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klashman69 said:
So everyone hates the game?
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Nope, it's an excellent game of football in my opinion. Even though four months have passed since I first got to play the game it's still got an addictive quality that keeps me coming back.

PES2011 isn't perfect by any means and the problems are many, but it's the best football game on this generation of consoles.
 
Jamezinho said:
Nope, it's an excellent game of football in my opinion. Even though four months have passed since I first got to play the game it's still got an addictive quality that keeps me coming back.

PES2011 isn't perfect by any means and the problems are many, but it's the best football game on this generation of consoles.
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This perfectly sums up my feelings as well. If it wasn't good we wouldn't spend hundreds of hours playing and editing it. PES 2011 is my favorite football game ever. I can only speak for myself, but my criticisms are born from a (naive?) hope that most of the issues are fixed next year.
 
Sabac Red said:
ml prices the market value of a player has not been
changed. cause i've had £40m bid for torres, £25m for gerrard & maxi plus shelling out £15m for rami which seems
pretty realistic.
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Yeah they are the same, I had the price I paid for a player in MLO in mind and when I saw him for a fifth of the price in offline ML I thought that they had changed the prices.

After playing the offline ML extensively this week I think lag effects the game more than I thought. Alot of the crappy AI I was seeing online is not there playing the CPU. So the online is even worse than I thought, which is pretty amazing in a bad way. They really need to sort it out because it is unacceptable, I can play a 24 player game in BF2 with no noticable lag but I cant even get a lag free 1 v 1 in PES!

The more I play the game offline the more I find things that are wrong with it. There are many parts of the game that are very close to being broken and at times I am shocked at how shoddy the game is. It is incredibly inconsistant and does not feel like a finished product but at the same time its brilliant and I love it. No matter how many times in a game I swear & shake my head at the terrible refereeing, player switching, collision detection, player movement...... I still play another game then another and another, becuase when it all works the football you can play is fantastic.
I still dont get the feeling I am playing a next gen game, it is just a PS2 game with some bells and whistles. The physics for both ball and player need to be improved. Something that I find particularly annoying is that you can go from a full sprint to a gentle jog a split second, there is no gradual deceleration. This makes the dribbling a bit unintuitive and takes away from what is otherwise a very good part of the game.

I am a little worried about next years game now. With PES2011 they have a solid base to build on but I dont think they will do enough. What they have now needs to be fixed and then added to to make a truly next gen title. I fear all we will get is a more polished version of PES2011, probably what PES2011 would of been if they had a bit more time.
I dont know why Konami take soo long to evolve their product, when you look at the strides EA have taken with FIFA this gen it puts them to shame. Unfortunatly I dont like FIFA and if Konami keep up this snails pace the PES I want is probably a good few years away.
 
Ern Dog said:
I am a little worried about next years game now. With PES2011 they have a solid base to build on but I dont think they will do enough. What they have now needs to be fixed and then added to to make a truly next gen title. I fear all we will get is a more polished version of PES2011, probably what PES2011 would of been if they had a bit more time.
I dont know why Konami take soo long to evolve their product, when you look at the strides EA have taken with FIFA this gen it puts them to shame. Unfortunatly I dont like FIFA and if Konami keep up this snails pace the PES I want is probably a good few years away.
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Something that Konami were traditionally very good at, and now they have a solid base to work on in PES2011 I can only see the series going from strength to strength. Konami are slowly but surely changing their approach to their development process, which is now more fan-feedback driven in order to win back fans from FIFA. Seabass has a bigger team at his disposal and PES2012 has been afforded the same development time as PES2011.

Seabass had never been asked to overhaul PES before PES2008. The series was so good up until then that all was required was tweaks. Konami have shown that they're incapable of making sweeping changes to PES, at the expense of many lost fans, but one thing they've always been good at is subtly evolving the series year on year. This may not be enough for some, and if I'm honest PES2012 will probably still not be the game many were hoping for.

However, the series is finally on an upward curve, but Konami really have to make the push this year to get the animations, collisions and ball physics up to a next-gen standard. I'm convinced that the niggling issues we all have with the game will be fixed this year.

All in all I think it's exciting times to be a PES fan.
 
Jamezinho said:
Something that Konami were traditionally very good at, and now they have a solid base to work on in PES2011 I can only see the series going from strength to strength. Konami are slowly but surely changing their approach to their development process, which is now more fan-feedback driven in order to win back fans from FIFA. Seabass has a bigger team at his disposal and PES2012 has been afforded the same development time as PES2011.

Seabass had never been asked to overhaul PES before PES2008. The series was so good up until then that all was required was tweaks. Konami have shown that they're incapable of making sweeping changes to PES, at the expense of many lost fans, but one thing they've always been good at is subtly evolving the series year on year. This may not be enough for some, and if I'm honest PES2012 will probably still not be the game many were hoping for.

However, the series is finally on an upward curve, but Konami really have to make the push this year to get the animations, collisions and ball physics up to a next-gen standard. I'm convinced that the niggling issues we all have with the game will be fixed this year.

All in all I think it's exciting times to be a PES fan.
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Very well said.
For me it's obvious that Konami knows what they are doing this time around. PES 2011 is a wonderful game, I'm sure people agree with me when saying that none of us was expecting it to be this good after PES 2010.

Many claimed that the "Blue Sky" thing was BS and that it wouldn't be much different from an edition to another. Those have been proven wrong (including me at some point).

PES 2011 is far from perfect, the AI is sometimes strange, so are the ball and overall game physics at times, animations lack variation and quality, keepers and refs need serious fixing, many stuff are still missing from previous games, etc... but it is indeed, a great game, that feels like PES, and can be pwoperly played.

PES 2012 is still an "incógnita", meaning that we have no idea of what will be done, what their plans are, if everything is going to be fixed or not and what exactly their focus is this time, but if the amount of changes and improvements is as big as PES 2011 over PES 2010, we will get ourselves a fantastic game.

I can't actually wait for the first (actual) rumours of what they're planning to do.
 
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I can't actually wait for the first (actual) rumours of what they're planning to do.
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No, me neither. I'm really looking forward to April/May when the first PES2012 news will emerge (hopefully earlier). I really don't understand why some people are apprehensive towards the future of PES, although I appreciate the reasons why some feel that way.

Whatever anyone thinks of PES2011, good or bad, the most important fact is that it's the game that got people back to playing PES again and returned credibility to the series. Konami now have a golden opportunity to close the gap with Fifa - and you never know - even surpass it (on a technical level).
 
Oh man, I didn't get to play this game last night as it was "movie night". Hope I get the time tonight or I'll have to just stick the box down my pants throughout tomorrow daytime.
 
Jamezinho said:
Whatever anyone thinks of PES2011, good or bad, the most important fact is that it's the game that got people back to playing PES again and returned credibility to the series. Konami now have a golden opportunity to close the gap with Fifa - and you never know - even surpass it (on a technical level).
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I don't think that's realistic, expecting PES to match FIFA on a technical level any time soon. What we can hope for is that the application of what they have is far more efficient on a footballing level - Konami going for football brains over big budget IT brawn.
 
romagnoli said:
I don't think that's realistic, expecting PES to match FIFA on a technical level any time soon. What we can hope for is that the application of what they have is far more efficient on a footballing level - Konami going for football brains over big budget IT brawn.
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I don't agree with You. I have no doubt PES 2012 will catch FIFA in technical level. Right now motion capture animations of PES 2011 are very similar to FIFA. They need collision system and more varied of animations like in FIFA. That's all......
 
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romagnoli said:
I don't think that's realistic, expecting PES to match FIFA on a technical level any time soon. What we can hope for is that the application of what they have is far more efficient on a footballing level - Konami going for football brains over big budget IT brawn.
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Well you'll probably be proven right, but I wouldn't say it's totally unrealistic at all. Fifa aren't in a position where their franchise is untouchable on a technical level. What they have is very, very good, but if Konami plough enough resources into the necessary areas then there's no reason why PES can't draw level with Fifa next year, technically.

Remember, Konami absolutely schooled EA when it came to animations on the last generation of consoles, both in terms of complexity and variation. They've done it before and they can do it again.
 
It doesn't translate across like that. Comparing the FIFA of the last gen to the FIFA of this gen is apples and oranges.

I guarantee that Konami won't pull level this generation on a tech level. Well I can't guarantee it as I don't have a hand in it but I wouldn't be taking any bets on it if I were a bookie. Even if the game itself is pap in our eyes, the animation technology and the ball physics itself is still miles ahead. If one of the two companies was anywhere close to procedural animation it'd be mental to think that was Konami.

It's the application they've been ballsing up from our perspective.

lons_pl said:
I don't agree with You. I have no doubt PES 2012 will catch FIFA in technical level. Right now motion capture animations of PES 2011 are very similar to FIFA. .
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Ah, if only that was true..
 
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If they haven't done so already, Konami need to invest a a few of THESE. Those enclosed motion capture studios are just too confined to produce excellent results for a sport as physical as football. I got to play with one of these at uni, it's easy to setup and use. The animation development pipeline would be greatly improved.
 
lons_pl said:
I don't agree with You. I have no doubt PES 2012 will catch FIFA in technical level. Right now motion capture animations of PES 2011 are very similar to FIFA. They need collision system and more varied of animations like in FIFA. That's all......
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The last few games I played of PES I actually thought to myself, this collision system is MILES better than FIFA's rugby style. In PES you get people going shoulder to shoulder for a 50-50 ball and someone comes out on top, like a true jostle for the ball. In FIFA, it's like a game of grid iron without the helmets and padding. If they made their jostling, tackling and pressure more subtle, FIFA would be better than it is. I can't play more than 2 or 3 games of it now without putting my PES disc back in the console.
 
I must admit I won't be holding my breath for Konami to win the animation war, for whatever reason I just don't buy it. I think EA will always rule in that regard. Their fluidity has no peers.
 
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the thing between both EA and Konami is EA are doing wonderful in term of animation and variety but its doesnt make the game any more realistic as during the gameplay you realize that the beautiful animation EA have doesnt make the game play more realisticly it look nice but it doesnt add to the realism of the gameplay and even make it more arcade but konami does the opposite...they sacrifice beautiful animation for realism and true to reality gaming in term of gameplay and ability...IMO
 
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