PES 2011 Discussion thread

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Passes in the defence have a different strength from the passes in midlefield and attack. Same deal with crosses and passes into space. One time the ball flies like a rocket, next time it is like a helium baloon.
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I find in general this is because the defenders are crap at passing skills.

The only problem I have with passing is when I'm not focusing (You can't just pass and hope it will reach someone everytime) or those stupid long passes that if you catch on the volley from a defensive clearance go somewhere into orbit.
 
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YouTube - PES2011 - The Prophecy of the Eagle - Vitesse Master League Mega Montage/Compilation

After 200 sony vegas crashes, 2 corrupt projects and whole lot of shitload effects I finally finished the video! This is one mega edited compilation about my 5 seasons Master league online i have been busy with in the past month.
This took longer to make than the Reborn PES video.

This took so much time to make, I chose Vitesse after all because it has most young stars for me. I'm not a fan of any Dutch club at all. I hope you appreciate the time that i've put in this video. Enjoy!
 
Hate to say it but this game is really starting to piss me off. Since that last patch, which seemed to have improved matters, I'd only really played friendlies using the better teams, and the AI's closing down seemed a little more ramped up than before, but nothing you can't deal with.

However, I went back to my ML campaign, with a largely awful squad, and it's unplayable due to the AI closing down. My team take so long to control the ball or even kick it that they get closed down and hounded off the ball by the AI, often in packs of 3-4 players who just sprint at you. They even sprint after you from goal kicks now, meaning no more slow build up from the back, because you end up passing the ball just to avoid losing it to some crazed AI defender.

I've also noticed a massive amount of physical challenges now going strictly against you. I've lost count of the number of times recently that I've been on the ball, shielding it from defenders, and he just runs straight through the back of you and takes the ball whether you're there or not. And one in every two or three challenges of any description from the AI seems to make my players do that awful stumbling animation that totally takes them out of the game.

Honestly, I quit playing FIFA because I got so pissed off with the AI pressurising in packs of 3-4 players all over the pitch, even from short goal kicks, because it's not realistic and incredibly artificial, and no fun whatsoever to play against. It was like playing online abusers but now offline too.

PES now feels exactly like this. I came back to this game because it offered a more realistic game, you could have the time on the ball to try cool new stuff but due to the AI's positioning etc it was still a good challenge. In short, it was fun.

Now, what the hell has happened? It's almost exactly like playing FIFA11 for frustration. I took a short goal kick and by the time my player controlled the ball and turned using R2, I had FOUR midfielders break out and hound me down. On other occasions, I've had to watch a replay just to take in the fact that my one player on the ball lost possession because he had a huddle of SIX AI players around him. They literally sprint around the park now without hesitation, outmuscle you off the ball, and it's just not fun anymore. The AI now feels like FIFA11.
 
It doesn't seem quite that bad to me, but I do know what you're talking about. Mostly I've got used to the increased AI pressure and can play around it, but sometimes it goes way over the top.

The frustrating thing is that even if the cpu wants to press constantly, two players should be able to do the job of four or five. There are plenty of times in the game when you're pressed effectively by two players, but sometimes when that's not enough the AI (instead of just shifting responsibility to other players further down the pitch) immediately sends four or five lumbering idiots to crowd you out. That might happen to Lionel Messi when he's near the edge of the box, but it doesn't happen to Johnny Nobody when he's three yards past the halfway line, and in real life it would be a suicidal tactic.

Even worse is when the AI makes your players do the same thing. I was playing the Copa Libertadores the other night and came up against Corinthians. Now, it's daft enough that Fat Ronaldo still seems to run pretty fast in PES2011, but when he's bearing down on my goal what I really don't need is to hit the pressure button to draw one more defender across, only to find FIVE of my players running over, all approaching from terrible angles which basically mean they arrive just in time to run pointlessly behind his shoulder in a little semi-circle, none of them making any attempt to tackle. They looked like backing dancers on the fucking X Factor. Anyway, he scored.

I hate to say it, but I've been getting that "on rails" feeling back a bit since the patch. I don't know what it is, but there seems to be slightly less freedom than there was. Maybe I've just been playing badly this week, or maybe I've just had a lot of heavily scripted games, but I've been seeing an awful lot of straight lines and bad reactions, worse than before. As well as that thing where players running onto a pass slow down just enough to ensure that they get there a split second too late - we all know that one, right? Then again, I've been playing Copa Libertadores mode and most of those players have much lower stats than the Montpellier side I use in League Mode (which is daft in itself - Estudiantes De La Plata, South American champions in 2009, are not a worse team than Montpellier).

I dunno, I love this game but I end up moaning about it so much... just little things, but important little things. Infuriating.
 
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LTFC said:
Hate to say it but this game is really starting to piss me off. Since that last patch, which seemed to have improved matters, I'd only really played friendlies using the better teams, and the AI's closing down seemed a little more ramped up than before, but nothing you can't deal with.

However, I went back to my ML campaign, with a largely awful squad, and it's unplayable due to the AI closing down. My team take so long to control the ball or even kick it that they get closed down and hounded off the ball by the AI, often in packs of 3-4 players who just sprint at you. They even sprint after you from goal kicks now, meaning no more slow build up from the back, because you end up passing the ball just to avoid losing it to some crazed AI defender.
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I did some testing and the lower the difficulty level, the more time on the ball the CPU affords you, so I simply went down a level. Not the ideal solution but like yourself, I no longer found the game enjoyable. Granted I'm not a great player so maybe the challenge won't be enough for you or others, but might be worth at least a try.
 
Pere Ubu said:
It doesn't seem quite that bad to me, but I do know what you're talking about. Mostly I've got used to the increased AI pressure and can play around it, but sometimes it goes way over the top.

The frustrating thing is that even if the cpu wants to press constantly, two players should be able to do the job of four or five. There are plenty of times in the game when you're pressed effectively by two players, but sometimes when that's not enough the AI (instead of just shifting responsibility to other players further down the pitch) immediately sends four or five lumbering idiots to crowd you out. That might happen to Lionel Messi when he's near the edge of the box, but it doesn't happen to Johnny Nobody when he's three yards past the halfway line, and in real life it would be a suicidal tactic.

Even worse is when the AI makes your players do the same thing. I was playing the Copa Libertadores the other night and came up against Corinthians. Now, it's daft enough that Fat Ronaldo still seems to run pretty fast in PES2011, but when he's bearing down on my goal what I really don't need is to hit the pressure button to draw one more defender across, only to find FIVE of my players running over, all approaching from terrible angles which basically mean they arrive just in time to run pointlessly behind his shoulder in a little semi-circle, none of them making any attempt to tackle. They looked like backing dancers on the fucking X Factor. Anyway, he scored.

I hate to say it, but I've been getting that "on rails" feeling back a bit since the patch. I don't know what it is, but there seems to be slightly less freedom than there was. Maybe I've just been playing badly this week, or maybe I've just had a lot of heavily scripted games, but I've been seeing an awful lot of straight lines and bad reactions, worse than before. As well as that thing where players running onto a pass slow down just enough to ensure that they get there a split second too late - we all know that one, right? Then again, I've been playing Copa Libertadores mode and most of those players have much lower stats than the Montpellier side I use in League Mode (which is daft in itself - Estudiantes De La Plata, South American champions in 2009, are not a worse team than Montpellier).

I dunno, I love this game but I end up moaning about it so much... just little things, but important little things. Infuriating.
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I've found a lot less freedom. The passing, in the demo and initial release, was still fairly manual in terms of the amount of power you applied. I remember really having to adjust to the amount of power I'd need to hit for a simple pass, a tiny tap would see the ball move about 3 inches forwards, but once learnt then it proved really subtle.

Today, I tested it out, and no matter what power you give the pass, it still travels like a rocket straight to the player you're aiming at. The only option is that it bypasses the nearest player if you wallop the ball, but a tiny tap, unlike the earlier versions (if that's what you want to call them) now sees the ball travel directly to a player. In terms of using the power bar, it feels more like PES2010 now. I just don't know why.

What's really pissing me off though, is like I said, I quit FIFA because after FIFA09, EA changed the whole outlook of the game by introducing insane closing down and overly physical challenges that left FIFA 10 & 11 literally the most annoying games ever made. Now this PES patch seems to have deliberately introduced a lot of this game ruining feature into their own game.

So, Konami deliberately added the one feature from a rival game that everyone consistently moans about. Great.

It's not so bad when playing with some of the top teams, because they have the first touch and passing ability to pass around the herds of rampaging defenders. But dribbling? On Professional and higher I find it impossible. And to play with the default ML players on Professional is impossible for me. They get closed down before they even manage to get the ball under control or perform a kicking animation sometimes. I really wish I could have shown some video evidence, after a while today I realised that whenever I was losing the ball it was because I was totally surrounded by the AI. Four seperate replays that I randomly chose to view saw my player looking for a pass while having almost all options cut off because I had, on each occasion, anywhere between 4-6 AI players within 5 feet of my player, bunching into a huddle around me. And it's not like I dallied around, the replays showed them sprinting from their positions insanely fast, hounding me, if I kept the ball, another of the nearest 4-6 players break off and cut off all avenues, then surround you, and shove you off the ball.

A great tactic has always been to not sprint. Before, I could keep the ball fairly well, and look for options to pass to even when under pressure, simply by not sprinting. Such a great antidote to FIFA I thought, but today the AI literally sprints after you even if you do a slow dribble, and just run 'into' you without committing a foul. You do that stupid stumble animation that renders him unusable for about 10 seconds, they run off with the ball.

And how can anyone dribble on Pro or higher now? Someone will always be in a position to get the ball off you, because the new found 'sprinting' style of AI defending means they always have at least 3 players circling you.

Ugh, why would Konami take the WORST aspect of FIFA, the one solitary aspect that put me off the whole series, and put it into PES???

I've tried moving the game down to Regular, but though you can suddenly enjoy again a slower pace where you're not being hunted down, it's still too easy.

I'm still well annoyed though, PES2011 was by far my favourite game right now and since the patch it's gotten progressively annoying to the point where I come off playing feeling exactly like I did after playing FIFA11. Annoyed.
 
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I must admit I'm not really having these problems, and I'm playing Top Player in a World Cup with Senegal and a CL with Chievo. Maybe I'm acustom to the pressure from people online.

What I will say is use R2, all the time. Get into the habit of once your player receives a passm hold R2 and turn away from challenges, it buys you so much time, even with ML default players.

You are doing it the hardest way though, with the ML defaults, maybe get Goalgerds option file with Chimps gameplay edit and start with a Championship team, see how that helps.

Alternatively, remove the patch if your still not happy. You could also try changing tactics in bring Compactness down to 3, Player Range to 3, this will give you close options for triangular passes.
 
Jimmy G-Force said:
I must admit I'm not really having these problems, and I'm playing Top Player in a World Cup with Senegal and a CL with Chievo. Maybe I'm acustom to the pressure from people online.

What I will say is use R2, all the time. Get into the habit of once your player receives a passm hold R2 and turn away from challenges, it buys you so much time, even with ML default players.

You are doing it the hardest way though, with the ML defaults, maybe get Goalgerds option file with Chimps gameplay edit and start with a Championship team, see how that helps.

Alternatively, remove the patch if your still not happy. You could also try changing tactics in bring Compactness down to 3, Player Range to 3, this will give you close options for triangular passes.
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I've had that habit for the past 2 years. Doing that doesn't change the fact that you are limited to controlling 2 players at a time (with a very clumsy auto foul button) while the CPU can control every last one of its players.

The attacking flow of this game (against the CPU) was already poor, now it's atrocious. For the past few iterations, everyone complained about the speed of forwards and wingers, now there is literally no penalty for making defensive mistakes outside the penalty area. As a result the CPU sends 4 or more players after each consecutive pass. If you survive the onslaught (and the frustrating stumbling animation) and manage to get the ball to a player making a clever run, he's likely to be almost instantly closed down by the very same defenders that left the gaping hole in the defense.

I honestly don't know how anyone can stand to play on Top Player. Every time I use that difficulty I have to 'dupe' the game and take advantage of its flaws. Although I usually end up eventually winning, the victories are often hollow.

Yes, there are times when I throw my hands up in celebration, yes there are times when I change tactics and marvel at the CPUs response, but those times are too few and do not outweigh the frustrations.

In the end a Top Player game resembles a school yard scrap more than professional football match. Add to that all the flaws and glitches and bugs and I am enjoying this game less and less. Maybe after all these years PES just isn't for me anymore.

I would really like to see what one of Seabass' younger apprentices can do with this franchise because I really think this series needs a overhaul.
 
See, I don't think it's all that bad. A lot of the time, I can still play beautifully on Top Player. I think the problems come when you get one of those... shall we say, "harder" games, when the AI is suddenly superpowered, your own players can't even walk straight and the ref has been bought off. Even people who don't like the word "cheating" here have to admit that these kind of games exist, right?

I still win or at least draw the majority of these games, so I can sort of understand when people say they don't have a problem - if for whatever reason the AI bias doesn't bother you, you'll just think of it as a tough game and shrug your shoulders. Fair enough, every team has tough games, although it would be nice if that could be simulated rather more subtly. I don't mind the odd one. Thing is, there seem to be far more of these games than before (pretty sure that's not my imagination) and while you used to be able to play your way through games like that, nowadays it seems like you just have to scrap your way out. With the crazy computer pressure on top of the heavy scripting, it's just not much fun.
 
LTFC said:
So, Konami deliberately added the one feature from a rival game that everyone consistently moans about. Great.

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Ugh, why would Konami take the WORST aspect of FIFA, the one solitary aspect that put me off the whole series, and put it into PES???

I've tried moving the game down to Regular, but though you can suddenly enjoy again a slower pace where you're not being hunted down, it's still too easy.

I'm still well annoyed though, PES2011 was by far my favourite game right now and since the patch it's gotten progressively annoying to the point where I come off playing feeling exactly like I did after playing FIFA11. Annoyed.
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Get over to the official feedback sections at WENB, Pesfan or Pesgaming and make yourself heard. I completely understand your complaint with pressure - it has been notched up since the patch as a quick fix for the 'green zone' bug rather than addressing the issue properly. I'm probably not noticing it as much because I don't play master league and I play mostly with half-decent Champions League teams on Pro difficulty, but there is an issue here that Konami needs to know about.

I hear many people talking about the passing being easier too. I kind of agree with this but I'm not sure if it's due to me getting used to the passing to the point that it feels assisted or because I don't usually play as poor quality teams/default ML players. I remember really struggling with the passing in the MLO beta. It didn't feel assisted at all. But then it started to click, and as I bought better players it became second nature. So I'm not sure what to make of the passing issue.
 
Jimmy G-Force said:
You are doing it the hardest way though, with the ML defaults, maybe get Goalgerds option file with Chimps gameplay edit and start with a Championship team, see how that helps.
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Hey, Jimmy, are you still using the wenb option file? You should really try the G.T.M. PRO WORLD option file as they have created kits for all national teams in the game (including your beloved Senegal) plus Championship, Bundesliga, loads of faces and regular updates. I think it's the best file out there.

http://www.freewebs.com/gtmproworld/
 
Pere Ubu said:
See, I don't think it's all that bad. A lot of the time, I can still play beautifully on Top Player. I think the problems come when you get one of those... shall we say, "harder" games, when the AI is suddenly superpowered, your own players can't even walk straight and the ref has been bought off. Even people who don't like the word "cheating" here have to admit that these kind of games exist, right?

I still win or at least draw the majority of these games, so I can sort of understand when people say they don't have a problem - if for whatever reason the AI bias doesn't bother you, you'll just think of it as a tough game and shrug your shoulders. Fair enough, every team has tough games, although it would be nice if that could be simulated rather more subtly. I don't mind the odd one. Thing is, there seem to be far more of these games than before (pretty sure that's not my imagination) and while you used to be able to play your way through games like that, nowadays it seems like you just have to scrap your way out. With the crazy computer pressure on top of the heavy scripting, it's just not much fun.
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Amen to that :WORSHIP:

Although the past few days i have stopped being the lazy pes player i was and have been really studying the opponents formation and trying to see where they can be exploited. This is i feel making me feel more in control than before, but also in ML i have upgraded my coaching staff so stats are improving a lot more now. Now and again the AI may still grab a last minute winner or even pressure me a lot, but it feels natural and thats ok.
 
Jamezinho said:
I always play the game on Pro level anyway. I find it to be a much more pleasant and enjoyable experience than Top Player.
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Same here although in a couple of months i can see myself switching back. saying that if i am playing with my boys then i will eventually feel the need to do that,but playing with a lesser team would be super hard and for me frustrating as hell.
I am toying with the idea of taking control at forest in ML so if that happens i will be leaving top player well alone, lol.
 
Jamezinho said:
Hey, Jimmy, are you still using the wenb option file? You should really try the G.T.M. PRO WORLD option file as they have created kits for all national teams in the game (including your beloved Senegal) plus Championship, Bundesliga, loads of faces and regular updates. I think it's the best file out there.

http://www.freewebs.com/gtmproworld/
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I installed this OF the other day so I could play a proper ML. It has nearly 1000 files and took ONE AND A HALF HOURS to copy over!
 
Thought I'd interject here a moment. I just want to say that scoring goals in this game is very hard, as is defending, however, every single game I play, on top player of course, I have the most possession and the most shots at goal.

This is largely down to the fact that it's easy to keep the ball in PES2011. In the manual, moving the Right Stick left or right is described as a "body feint" Yet it would be better described as "Body weight placement" I mean I can be dribbling with any player and as long as I press the R-Stick towards the oppenent's player, I will effectively sheild the ball and not lose possession.

In summary, i'm tired of having many many chances to score yet losing matches due to bad player switching and strange goalkeeping.

But scoring a well worked goal is very satisfying, thats true.
 
I really can't see how R2 works anymore with this insane pressure on Pro and above. I just tried it again, players just sprint around after you, so using R2 both makes you slower and doesn't have any effect when the super aggressive AI just clatters into you and knocks you off the ball. Dribbling, for me, is totally redundant now. I find the only way I can progress up the pitch is by passing in zig zags half the time, my players move like they're in treacle compared to the AI. It's really bizarre, I was loving this game but at the moment nothing seems to work, the AI is going a bit, well, lunatic on me, and I'm not enjoying this game at all right now.
 
yo guys.. can any of you tell me whether the annoying auto-switch-cursor bug is still in the 1.02 update when playing with a friend on the same team?
- for ex. i as p1 run with the ball, i get charged/stumble and p2 becomes the player i was in the first place? -
imho this was a total gamebreaker when the game was first released and since the switching system is still somewhat buggy i'm not sure whether this was addressed by Konami.. or not (?)
i haven't played 2on2 cuz of this since i found out about this bug.
 
Amier, it's not great to be fair mate. I did a two player with my younger brother earlier who popped over to mine, there was still some proper weird swtiching going on there.

Was hard to convince him it was actually a good game as he's a young impressionable 14 year old who likes Fifa (like all kids his age) when you have no real control over what's going on at times.

Unlike player switching that you could learn to live with pre patch one one player, I'm not quite sure what the solution is for 2 player mode.
 
oh wow very quick reply ! :) tho you reply saddens me A LOT :/

you're totally right about getting used to it on single player mode.. agreed.
but with 2 players it's really unplayable.. one guy is tryin to get into space or escape his marker and all of a sudden you're being vacuumed to the player who was about to send you the ball :/
i hope Konami will address this because this is like the biggest bug in the game which seems to annoy A LOT of people!
i actually enjoy PES hell of a lot more when i play 2vs2, tho i'm a very good player in singles as well, but because of 'basic cursor swiching shit' like this i have to play older pes games when it comes to 2vs2 :/
boohoo

i still find it odd that Konami somehow overlooked this feature. i just can't believe it LOL especially cuz the switching was always perfect in older versions.
 
Yeah, in single player, I just mastered how to 'deal' with cusor problems, in fact when they fixed it in single player I was actually crap at defending for a day because I was used to doing so much defending on my own without the help of cusor change assistance!

I don't really know what to suggest, other than it was playable at times, but really did piss us off as well, as you say, the most annoying is you are controlling a player, and then your partner suddenly is controlling the same player, almost with no warning. That one popped up a couple of times still, but this is the first time I've played two player on PES 11, so maybe someone will be in a poistion to say if it's any better at all post patch? or if it's just the same as when you last tried it.

We still enjoyed it, myself and my brother, but the experience could still be a lot, lot better, frustrating for both of us. At times it led me to be impressed with my 14 year old brothers range of swearing vocabulary :LOL:
 
hahaha i totally lolled at your comments.. good post :D

as far as i'm aware in single player the switching bug is still there (post patch), just in a different way. it's less annoying to me eventho it shouldn't be.
for ex: you pass in a certain direction, doesn't matter whether it's with L2 or semi-assisted, and you can only switch between player a,b but not player c who's closer to the ball.
it seems i got a lot of different reactions on this, but this is very apparent (to me at least)
same goes for defence, i think everyone has got that 'one time' where you can only switch between x,y but not z who's closest, your opponent swoops in gets the ball/rebound/counter (whatever) and scores or gets a good pass/shot in.
this above.. tho very frustrating at times i can deal with. sadly but true i'm used to it :P. so i'm not even going to bother with this.

to be honest i haven't played this game on 2vs2 mode SINCE the newest 1.02 patch, so thats why i asked. as i thought maybe someone else could shed some more light on the matter.
i've had little time to play the game since the newest update but i did get some 1on1 games in and the cursor fix was as i call it.. semi-fixed so i auto-assumed the worst for 2vs2
 
LTFC said:
I really can't see how R2 works anymore with this insane pressure on Pro and above. I just tried it again, players just sprint around after you, so using R2 both makes you slower and doesn't have any effect when the super aggressive AI just clatters into you and knocks you off the ball.
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Perhaps "R2 pass and go" technique can help (http://forums.pesfan.com/showthread.php?t=228558), maybe even more than "R2 slow dribble" and "R2 first touch".

But one has to be honest and admit that the post-patch amount and insanity of CPU pressuring is quite annoying.
 
Sorry for the slight off topic but does anyone have the emblem pngs for German clubs Kaiserslautern and St. Pauli? I need to make a couple of alterations to my option file so if anyone can point me in the right direction it will be much appreciated.
 
Downloaded Ahlkens NPower Championship OF from WENB Mate, all championship teams, kits, emblems etc included and teams have had their individual player stats and game plans altered to make them play more like they're real life counterparts, might be worth a look.
 
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