That 'fanboy shit' is your bread and butter Jim and you know it - everyone knows it. You've got it written by your avatar, FFS. The posts you make come with a pinch of salt already sacheted up and ready. If anything it's charming that you're now refuting it.
The reason I say so is because sometimes you need bloody telling, eg when you're shouting down or dismissing people like max who are perfectly reasonable and articulate. The dig you had at him not too long ago when he talked about the volleying/overhead kick issue - a point he was perfectly entitled to make even if he was late to the party - was bloody poor show for someone in his late thirties.
Irrefutably you do have some technical knowledge and certainly enjoy explaining in detail why one area or another represents footballing considerations. It would be nice to see you use some of that in the way we use our technical knowledge, to suggest where some of the shortcomings could improve and exactly how, instead of just eulogising about what IS there rather than explaining what isn't. But trying to use it to slap down any thoughts or opinions others have about whether one of these technical aspects of football has been represented accurately is lazy at best and arrogant at worst. Remember how I explained to you why more freedom to choose the direction of pass is still simulating football? I imagine if Max had brought that up (which is well within his capabilities) and you had been on rag week at the time that you would have slapped that down with this sort of nonsense too...
Firstly, the whole FanMan avatar was put there tongue in cheek a couple of years ago when Fifa was the Greatest Show on Earth, and my PES evangelism was ridiculed by all and sundry. If you cant beat them, join them if you like. But unlike the stereotypical 'Fanboy', I'm not blind to everything PES gets wrong. And I would never hide it, or argue against it.
Max has quoted me out of context and generalised about me personally on more than one occasion, and that instance was no different. Although I admit, it was a bit petty of me in hindsight. When I say 'get it', I'm not talking about poor programmming and ill-advised annoyances, such as player switching, Rainbow Flicks, ridiculous Scissor Kicks, stupid clearances etc etc. These are a given. They are poor and they need sorting.
What I have done for as long as I can remember on here, is highlight peoples 'issues', and try and to explain how I feel Konami have tried to simulate certain aspects of real football. I truly believe that the higher your understanding of footballing technique, the more you are able to appreciate everything that PES replicates. Konami are extremely deep at times, more so over the last 3 years, and there are alot aspects of PES that people dont fully understand, and I can appreciate that. What I feel is a crying shame, is when this type of replication isnt fully understood or appreciated, and rendered 'broken'. I dont think thats fair on Konami. That's when I try to explain, and when I say 'get it', thats what I'm referring to. When I say dont 'get it', I really, hand on heart, dont mean that to sound as condecending as it reads, but I dont know another way to write it.
Unlike you Rom, I'm not embarrassed at all by football career, and I took real offence to that.In fact, I'm quite proud overall. I've played all over the country, as well Belgium, Germany and France on three occasions. I represented my County year in year out, and the North of England when I was 15 and at Forest. I spat my dummy out when Forest released me at 16, and walked away from the game completely for 6 years whilst I pursued another career, which is where the G-Force moniker descends from. I came back into the game semi-professionally when I was 22 and played for Horden, Durham City, Wolviston and Billingham Town in the Northern League until I was 34. I then got injured in game,in my last season, which left my right eye half blind, and I hung them up two years ago. There arent many things I know in life, but football is one of them. And I readily admit, I know less than nothing about computer programming, neither am I interested, it sounds like a complete ballache to me.
All I was highlighting were those 'issues', because I felt, from my experience, those are intentially coded. And if I have quoted my past in those instances, it's only to try and convince the doubters, that those beliefs, weren't pulled straight out of thin air. And there have been many instances over the years. People complained that the shooting was broken and inconsistent simply because they were not applying posture relevance or preferred feet. The same with passing to an extent. Then the game and was totally unresponsive and clunky, admittedly the animations were choppy, but the relevance was the 'first touch', a feature Konami have been working on more and more since PES 2009. Then there was was player runs, people felt these were inaccurate because Fifa gave you the option. Where in realism terms, that lies with the individual nature of the player or tactics and strategies. The same goes the for recent lazy striker debate, which I personally feel isnt an Ai addition that has been overdone. I think they have it spot on.
It's these 'issues' that I feel some people 'dont get', and that has been proven. It's not a dig at not 'getting it', there is nothing wrong with that. Apart from football and boxing, I dont 'get' any other sport. And even boxing, I cant honestly say I know boxing technique with any decent stamp. I would love to play NBA2k whatever, but I know absolutely nothing about the sport, and I dont have the patience to learn. The difference with football, is that every man and his dog loves it. And everyone has an opinion. You have football fans that know every club, every player, never miss a match on T.V., and know world football like the back of their hand. You then get footballers, who know the game itself inside out from a technical perspective. Football is all about technique and the understanding of it. The more you know, the better you are. Thats why those who understand and appreciate technique the most, are the ones that are getting paid to play the game.
There are very few people on these boards that ever talk about the technical side of the game, and how PES replicates it, I really wish there were more. I'd love to hear about members and clubs they play for, or have played for, thats the only thing that this forum is missing for me personally.
Anyway, the reason I bit with Max, stupidly, was because he was quoting me out of context completely and making me out to be some blind fanboy, which I'm not. I see the programming flaws like everyone else, and some that I never even seen mentioned, I know they are there. But the lazy striker issue wasnt isnt a flaw. Then to throw in Scissor Kicks and alike and state that people who find that wrong, and according to me, dont 'get it', was wrong. I was one of the very first to highlight that issue from the demo, the same goes for Rainbow Flicks, I hate them, they are fucking horrendous. That what why I acted and responded like a bit of a bellend, because I said nothing of the sort.
As for the stat related semi-auto passing, your dead right, I couldnt get my head around it at all. And you were right, but I never jumped on the comment, I left it open-minded to see what Konami could produce. And they came up trumps again in my opinion. It would have mattered not if were you or Max, I would have still had an open mind in that regard. This is had nothing to do with that. I have the uptmost respect from Max's intelligence and articulate nature, but I'd by lying if I said I felt he knew footballing technique inside out, because I dont.
Thanx for that jim, i may start to learn this game properly now that my editing quest for perfection is finally over. this game is forcing me to really look at the options more than ever before,
i feel like such a noob! 
It would take me ages to master all these combos, i thought 
me this looks like Tekken. 
