It's funny you know, you get alot of armchair fans who think they know football, they may well know it to watch on the screen, but when it comes to the technical side, they pretty much know jack-shit. There are certain issues with PES that are widely acknowledged, and you dont need any real technical prowess to grasp these problems. Referees and collision detection is one, the player switching issue was another, the fact L2 and manual pass can clear the ball 6 miles is another. These are actual problems. The lazy striker issue isnt, it's coded. People who play football will tell you this happens in every match ever played. That was my point. Also, you state overly assisted passing ? That's a perfect example of a lack of understanding in my opinion The idiology is that in order to highlight individualism, the worlds best players have Ai assistance in order to highlight and replicate the differential skillset between themselves and lesser technically asute players. Try playing with Senegal, and you'll notice there is very little AI assistance for alot of their players with any passes attempted over 15 yards. Try Spain, and the difference is night and day.
For the record, I dont think you 'get it'. I've never read anything on these forums that has ever led me to believe you do. But that's just my opinion. For every one footballer, there are 20 armchair fans. Hence the reason Fifa sells so well. In my brutally honest opinion.
Fair enough. At least for once you weren't so general with your insults.
Coincidentally, I'm not sure you "get" it either - no one is disputing Konami's emphasis on individualism only that the mechanics of the game currently make some things easier than they should be relative to real world difficulty levels. It makes me wonder who is the "armchair" footballer here if you think 30-yard through passes or acrobatic volleys or linking four tricks together in one move is as easy as Konami makes it.
Ideology is one thing, and I've repeatedly and consistently supported how Konami places emphasis on the fundamentals, but you are mistaking ideology for exaggerated and unbalanced aspects of gameplay. As someone who advertises himself as a fooballing expert, I'm surprised you don't "see" these unrealistic quirks that Konami still needs to iron out of its game.
And if the defense of the (imo) overly assisted through passing is Konami holding true to its ideology, does not including a manual passing modifier completely contradict said ideology? Under your line of thinking, wouldn't it basically be a cheat button? Are player attributes no longer important when using the manual pass? Is player individualism thrown out the door as soon as I press L2? There is a difference between CPU assistance and player attributes, is there not?
Furthermore, relying on CPU assistance to express player individualism is a method that most other sports games have evolved beyond with this current gen, and Konami's continued reliance on assistance has less to do with ideology and more to do with aging components of its gameplay engine(s). Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe you've said that PES is the only game you play? If so then maybe that's why you struggle to see how far behind in some areas PES is. For example, PES's ball physics might be the worst of any sports title I've played in recent years.
In the end, when it comes down to things like through passing, it has little to do with one of us "getting it" and the other not, and all down to the level of challenge we want from the game, and certain parts of the game. There are aspects of Konami's game that are too automated for my preference, leading to the game being less challenging than I'd like. After being away from PES since 2008, I am undefeated in my first ML, playing in the D2 on Top Player. Maybe it's just me but I would prefer things to be a little tougher. I love that i have to use my head to the degree that PES makes you, unlike FIFA, but it would be nice if the game required a bit more of my own skill as well.
As for real footballers vs. armchair fans, who do you think this game is being made for? As someone who has been playing football games since the first days of Nintendo (don't think Atari had a football game!) and who has played, reffed, and coached football for almost three decades, while I don't pretend to be the video gaming version of Pele-Mourinho that you do, I think I "get" enough to "see" the difference between the game's strengths and weaknesses.
I have different opinions to others in certain areas of how I'd like football to be reproduced in a game but I really don't think these differences come down to one person "getting it" and the other not. I am neither the best footballer or gamer out there but, like most people who have voiced similar criticisms of the game, I don't think my credentials are the problem. If my experience with game, IRL and on the console, isn't enough - is there a test out there I need to pass? - then Konami's market is tiny indeed.
Now that we've got you no longer hiding behind blanket insults, maybe next on the list is to drop the elitist attitude and recognize that other people's opinions, whether they come from armchair fans or professional ballers, are just as valid as your own and as such do not deserve to be insulted and disregarded because in your high opinion they don't "get" it. If you feel that changes others suggest would harm the game, like less CPU assistance leading to less individualism, then how about just saying so rather than belittling your fellow PES fans? As I've said before, most people on here are pleased more or less with Konami's overall approach to reproducing the beautiful game (why else do you think we'd bother?), while by and large the main complaints are about technical concerns and have little to do with "getting it."