PES 2011 Discussion thread

The video's i have seen aren't very conclusive. The show improvments and i'm happy with the things they have showed. The very limited gameplay footage i'v seen is ok, but i can't really judge how good this fluid motion is.

What i'm very relived about that it's definatly built from PES 2010 which is good since PES 2010 is a great base to start from, issues like tactics would be set from the off. Just canno't judge how much this will be PES 2010 with smooth animations and reaction times.

That in itself is great and enough for me but i unsure how much this game has progessed.

Also the kit's look slighty better, great to see they finally have the 'tight' fit shirts in for puma shirts! :)

Gab_ said:
Judging by that picture, how does the tricks really work? It looks to me that you don't do any motions like in FIFA, but only up, left, right or down to trigger on of the trick from the feint presets. That's on the top picture, then there is the one that only says feints, and I'm not sure I understand that one.
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Well, thats what i'm saying really. This video's dosen't really awnser much we don't already know. Still, its postive but not as positive as many thought it would be, BUT thats down to the limited footage really.
 
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wud be quite an desaster if u need to hold L2 to use the bass bar lol

hope L2 is just for the 360° passing with stick so pass bar is always on for strength
 
Aqua said:
wud be quite an desaster if u need to hold L2 to use the bass bar lol
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No, disagree totally! I thought when playing fifa 08 holding l2 down to use the trick skick would never work, it was the opposite! It's now almost become the standard. It should work well.
 
dont compare passing to tricks dude

they can make it that pass bar is always on, they need it, makes no sense other way

l2 just for the 360 with stick, so u can decide pull of manual pass or just normal pass(with pass bar, shud be standard for years now..)
 
klashman69 said:
No, disagree totally! I thought when playing fifa 08 holding l2 down to use the trick skick would never work, it was the opposite! It's now almost become the standard. It should work well.
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well, it's good if you are compelled to do so
but, if there is still possibility to pass like in pes 2010 by simply pressing circle or x, no one will use the L2+O or x pasing, no one and so it will be useless
 
why useless ?
sure if they can make same good passes as with manual it wud suck but if they implement such an feature i hope u benefit from it if u do it well
 
There seems to be alot of superficial gamers on here that believe that Fifa style animations are the be all and end all for PES 2011. I prefer the theorys involved with the less flashy animations, thats what is most important to me. PES will NEVER match Fifa for animations, never. EA look to make their games to look like real football, Konami emphasise on making their game, play like real football. I will 110 times outof 100 take the lesser technical animations in favour of a more realistic football simulation. I understand that some people prefer the alternate, and that cool.

Bottom line is PES individuality over Fifa's stunning animated visuals is far more important to me.Improved animations is just a bonus. The replication of the beautiful game, technique wise is whats paramount for me personally.
 
Ameppe said:
well, it's good if you are compelled to do so
but, if there is still possibility to pass like in pes 2010 by simply pressing circle or x, no one will use the L2+O or x pasing, no one and so it will be useless
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I dunno, for me the auto pass isn't great anyway! it's really furstrating if you want to play fluid foootball at times with the AI passing to the wrong player :( (this happenes in every football game).

Default passing is not going to be stupid ping pong football like fifa for people to exploit so having a manual option for playing balls into space and more precise through balls will be used by me at least, don't you worry :)

Aqua said:
dont compare passing to tricks dude

they can make it that pass bar is always on, they need it, makes no sense other way

l2 just for the 360 with stick, so u can decide pull of manual pass or just normal pass(with pass bar, shud be standard for years now..)
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Nah, it's a good comparison! For years people seemed to see just simply having the right stick resereved for skills tricks as essential. So changing the way manual passes are fuctioned should work. I dribble and aim using the left stick so manual passing will make for a very easy transition :)
 
_anderson said:
What do you mean by "robotic animations"? Honest question.
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In the whole, im seeing pes 2010 animations, from time to time in that tiny gameplay video, looks like they recycled, sometimes there are almost no transition from the walking animation to the sprinting one. "Robotic" maybe isn't the exact word, but it surely is something related to the uncanny valley theory: Uncanny valley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:Repliee_Q2.jpg" class="image"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Repliee_Q2.jpg/200px-Repliee_Q2.jpg"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/a/aa/Repliee_Q2.jpg/200px-Repliee_Q2.jpg
 
goin in the right direction, shame first next gen was such an desaster/wasted year, imagine 08 wud be 09 ....

playd pes6 last days n its kinda....dunno...response is too fast n just feels not like tv, maybe its just the overplayd game
 
Jimmy G-Force said:
There seems to be alot of superficial gamers on here that believe that Fifa style animations are the be all and end all for PES 2011. I prefer the theorys involved with the less flashy animations, thats what is most important to me. PES will NEVER match Fifa for animations, never. EA look to make their games to look like real football, Konami emphasise on making their game, play like real football. I will 110 times outof 100 take the lesser technical animations in favour of a more realistic football simulation. I understand that some people prefer the alternate, and that cool.

Bottom line is PES individuality over Fifa's stunning animated visuals is far more important to me.Improved animations is just a bonus. The replication of the beautiful game, technique wise is whats paramount for me personally.
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Yes but the focus of the video was mainly about making it LOOK realistic. They showed pictures to compare to real life. If they cared so much about simulating football wouldn't they show real life situations and compare it to PES 2011 and how amazingly realistic it plays out? Just sayin...
 
Ronaldinho_23 said:
no, por lo que os leo y "entiendo", creo que muchos han malinterpretado mis palabras..

lo que yo digo es que los "algunos" pases, controles, y algun movimiento se ve como predefinido..como en pes2010, que el balon iba demasiado teledirigido..

no es algo alarmante, pero parece llamativo, ya que si dicen que el juego es muy libre, que los pases son mejorados y todo esto del 360 grados..pues queda feo que ocurra ese tipo de fallos.


es imposible implementar una libertad total imagino.
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esto lo dije hace ya un tiempo....
como veis en el video, hay un momento que toure y alves tocan el baon, y se ve "robtico"

es lo que os dije en su dia..que siguen habiendo momentos feos


tranlate please
 
Gab_ said:
Looks like you do manual passes by holding down L2 and pass or cross button. Unless my eyes deceives me.

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Looks like tricks is the same as FIFA, by holding down L2 and then right stick.
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Aqua said:
goin in the right direction, shame first next gen was such an desaster/wasted year, imagine 08 wud be 09 ....

playd pes6 last days n its kinda....dunno...response is too fast n just feels not like tv, maybe its just the overplayd game
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Your right, PES 6 Didn't feel as good as the previous PEs games, matches. Like someone else said, a dubbed down PES 5 for me.
 
i've talked bad about this preview on wenb and they banned me...wow really polite,
i think that the animations look quite the same but we cannot judge from 20 seconds of gameplay, the more positive point is that the key animations adapts to the different ball position.
 
Strange, from what little I saw of in game footage the animations looked more fluid. Of course you can't make any kind of concrete judgement.
 
i'm talking about ibrahimovic stumbling on the defender, and players that literally stop and don't slow down like in real life or other ng games (assassin creed,fifa,ecc.).
 
People can only go by what's put in front of them. Who can look at any part of the video and discuss how PES has improved the on-pitch gameplay? If somebody had said they weren't impressed by the sound of the game in the video (nobody is, it's just an example) then does that make them superficial?

It's an improvement on what Konami had which can only be a good thing, but at the same time it doesn't live up to the uber-hype by which some people had been swept. It was absurd of anyone to expect the animation system to be better than the one EA have been improving for four years now, but that's what happens when you are told about new stuff without seeing it for yourself.

Personally I'm interested in seeing more of the incidental head movements in-game - looking up before receiving the pass as Messi does in that trailer.
 
I do want the animations to be improved, but goodness me guys, animations aren't the be all and end all just as Jimmy said above. Having pretty much mastered the game and gotten under its skin, PES 2010 for me is the best football game ever made, the most realistic and convincing one I've ever played (I've listed the reasons why in a previosu post). Yes, even with the rigid animations. That's why I'm confident about 2011, for me the game is already good enough, it just needs tweaking here and there, smoother animations are just the icing on what was already a very delicious cake.
 
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shorty alien said:
I do want the animations to be improved, but goodness me guys, animations aren't the be all and end all just as Jimmy said above. Having pretty much mastered the game and gotten under its skin, PES 2010 for me is the best football game ever made, the most realistic and convincing one I've ever played (I've listed the reasons why in a previosu post). Yes, even with the rigid animations. That's why I'm confident about 2011, for me the game is already good enough, it just needs tweaking here and there, smoother animations are just the icing on what was already a very delicious cake.
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I think completely different. PES 2010 is the worst game made by Konami and by a long distance.

I hope someday Konami make a game which Kaka or Cristiano being world class footballers, and not gods... it is a shame to see in a videogame a collision between Cristiano/Kaka and a world class defender where the striker wins always with speed.

I honestly should have quitted PES at the 2009 title when the automatic tackle gave a lot of penalties to the rival team... I cannot think of a biggest bug in a videogame...

PES 2010 is an easy game which can be played by a 3 year child. It is the poorest game made by Seabass. A real shame. I have given up PES after this game and try to play FIFA, even if it is not my cup of tea, but it is miles ahead PES 2010. I hope 2011 is the return of the king... but I am skeptic...
 
Putuco Malo said:
I think completely different. PES 2010 is the worst game made by Konami and by a long distance.

I hope someday Konami make a game which Kaka or Cristiano being world class footballers, and not gods... it is a shame to see in a videogame a collision between Cristiano/Kaka and a world class defender where the striker wins always with speed.

I honestly should have quitted PES at the 2009 title when the automatic tackle gave a lot of penalties to the rival team... I cannot think of a biggest bug in a videogame...

PES 2010 is an easy game which can be played by a 3 year child. It is the poorest game made by Seabass. A real shame. I have given up PES after this game and try to play FIFA, even if it is not my cup of tea, but it is miles ahead PES 2010. I hope 2011 is the return of the king... but I am skeptic...
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:CONFUSE: Judging a game on two teams i see (Barca and Real)

If i judged FIFA 08 on Barcelona i would say the same since they are a god like team on that game :YAWN:
 
That Spanish article cesarpo linked is a great read

I'll highlight some more points in the article that Cesarpo didn't repeat for those who don't have time to read it and want an abridged version.

!!!SPOILERS!!!SPOILERS!!!SPOILERS!!!SPOILERS!!!SPOILERS!!!

- Gameplay is slower, supposedly the default one is lot like the pace of actual football. They said you can change it but people looking for simulation will love the default one. If you want an 'arcadey' type game then you can also achieve this by selecting a fast setting out of the 5 game speed settings.
- One of the best camera systems we've seen in a sports game. Sounds a bit like a majorly reworked dynamic which moves around with the action on screen.
- Initial choice when you get into the match of what type of tactic you want to play so you cn get a game going quickly. (defensive, neutral, attacking). I assume it then auto assigns things which you can change if you want.
- Need to time X/A tackles better. No spamming it, If you don't time it more precisely you give away fouls more easily. (sounds a little like PES 5)
- slow gameplay encourages you to move the ball around. They likened it to the kind of play Xavi or Guti do.
- More demaninding shooting, need to time better dependent on the player's body position and ball position/bounce
- three types of dribbling(didn't really understand this bit, bad translation)
- dribbling system not as decisive apparently as there is more emphasis on build up play.
- Physical contact improved but not much
- GK's sound like they'll be the same as in 2010
- New animations blend in great with one another seemlessly
- Motion blur looks good in the highlights supposedly
- Lighting looks better for players
- Power bar doesn't hinder the action visually
- Statistics come up during the game, such as shots on target, how many offsides teams have had
- graphically enhancements of fans, helped by dynamic camera showing them closer to the screen at times such as throwins
- no drops in framerate
- better sounds when ball is hit and some new chants

Reaction times sounds like a big issue still but they said Seabass insisted that they were looking to work on fixing that. It also noted that AI needed tightening up i think.
 
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klashman69 said:
:CONFUSE: Judging a game on two teams i see (Barca and Real)

If i judged FIFA 08 on Barcelona i would say the same since they are a god like team on that game :YAWN:
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It was only an example... I played enough to not play again and sell the game after some time catching dust... LOL...

PS: That Vandal article sounds really promising, however response time issues are still there.... dang!
 
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The article also confirms that the speed of the game can be adjusted. :)

Matches either against the computer or against other people were settled in short, no results were great goleadas, although the power to increase the speed of play and the pace of the games can be a solution for those who demand an arcade game crazy with a series of attacks in both areas, enough to thank the player can adjust the game to which demands at every moment, but for lovers of the simulators the default speed is really good.
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