PES 2011 Discussion thread

Apparently the danger areas are away from tokyo konami HQ but yes I am expecting delays due to the poor japanese who are suffering problems to their entire infrastructure. People are still trying to get to work but things like power cuts, lack of fresh water, fuel etc are proving problematic.

They are a strong nation and have been through worst. They will rise up again. All we can do is pray and understand that there's bigger things than a football game. In any event PES2011 and PEEL will keep me occupied for a looooong time.
 
I don't think the terrible events in Japan will affect Konami too badly. It depends how the situation with the Fukushima nuclear plant pans out, and forecasts of radiation falling on Tokyo seem to be worst case scenario rather than an inevitability.

The bulk of the work on PES2012 is probably already done seeing as we're told it has the same development period as PES2011. But yeah, we could well see a delayed release this year, that's for sure. But that should be the last thing on our minds.
 
bramley said:
why does the game always but my strikers on the halfway line when i have a corner?

am i missing a trick here
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You may have 3 Defenders set to go up for set-pieces. Check in Set-Piece settings.

Also for the little dink shot, shoot then R1 will perform the dink. You can hold the power bar down to maximum first for a higher dink, you can also perform it on the run or standing. Pressing shoot then R2 may also perform a dink depending on the situation. The R2 option is a controlled shot, so he will dink it if the situation is relevant or he has high shooting technique.
 
xPJRx said:
i assume the DLC is exactly as stated on the tin? new kits, new boots and roster updates?
konami havent sneakily squeezed in anything that ramps the CPU pressure up by another million percent or anything dodgy!?

enjoying my ML campaign at the moment so hesitant to update.
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I installed everything in the update and didn't notice a difference. Although I went from winning Atletico 1-6 away pre-update, to just managing a 2-2 (from 0-2 down as well) after updating. It felt like it was my own fault though, also fluffed a sitter last minute.
 
bramley said:
why does the game always but my strikers on the halfway line when i have a corner?

am i missing a trick here
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My tip: assign a "full attack" option to one of the buttons (star+ the button selected). when u have a corner put on full attack and u'll have 6/7 players in the box! don't forget to deselect it afterwards..
 
Another decent corner tip is that when you get a corner, use select and R2 to change the attack/defense levels down to maxium defense (blue) you will see your players leave the box.... then wait a second and use select and R1 to apply maximum attack (red) and you will start to see more players rushing in to the box, then you can send in a corner and play the ball into the paths of onrushing forwards, which may give a bit more space to get a header or shot away.
 
Would someone be able to explain how to do the "knuckleball" shot to me in detail please?

Since release I don't think I've scored (or even struck) one of these shots, or seen any hit against me...

I've tried countless times in training mode with no success, both with free kicks and shots from open play...

Is it only certain players who can do it, or am I just not doing it right?
 
Rob92 said:
Would someone be able to explain how to do the "knuckleball" shot to me in detail please?

Since release I don't think I've scored (or even struck) one of these shots, or seen any hit against me...

I've tried countless times in training mode with no success, both with free kicks and shots from open play...

Is it only certain players who can do it, or am I just not doing it right?
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Hey Rob - I too was wondering this. If you go to Pes Mastery website, there's a tutorial on this shot. I think the basic idea is that you press shoot and then as the leg starts to pull back to hit the shot you tap shoot again. If you do it right (check the replay, you notice that the ball does not spin through its trajectory - rather it floats (but at high speed) and normally has some subtle or not so subtle movement like dip or swerve.

Problem I find is that practising this via free kicks in training mode, you can't watch replays. But if you try it in free training you can check it via replays. I think certain players only can do it but not really sure if it's based on any particular stats or player cards. Ronaldo can do it and I think Ibrahimovic. Try it with Ronnie though in practice mode and see how you go. I think it's only something you might try from a free kick or once you're leading comfortably and want to try an audacious effort from distance ;)
 
strange thing last night in mlo i tried the attacking settings with select ect but it wouldnt move

i thought my r2 button might be broke so i tried the corner thing in training and it worked straight away
 
bramley said:
strange thing last night in mlo i tried the attacking settings with select ect but it wouldnt move

i thought my r2 button might be broke so i tried the corner thing in training and it worked straight away
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In MLO i had a similar situation a couple of times with high through balls...it just wouldn't work..god knows...

Anyway last nite i spent some time creating some liverpool chants..i put my chants in and played a game...the game played 6/7 times in a row just one chant. So i went back and change the chants order...went back in game and the game played exactly the same chant 5 times in a row...FUNNY STUFF KONAMI...i then decided to get rid of this crap. better no chants at all than this mess.
 
How do you guys handle 1 on 1's? I've missed so many good chances its incredible.

I'll aim for the bottom right corner but my guy will shank it wide of the top left corner... I know all about body technique/positioning etc etc but sometimes it feels like that stuff is all BS.

I've seen many stupid things occur during 1 on 1's and some things just don't add up.
 
Use R2 for all 1 on 1's. Pick you corner, open up your body (not always required with players with high shooting technique) tap shoot, then press R2 immediately. If you not doing this already, it will make a world of difference. There will always be poor shots that miss the target, but if you get all the variables in place, your percentage of success is alot higher. PES mirrors real-life technique in this regard absolutely brilliantly.

That stuff is anything but bullshit, quite the opposite. R2 controlled though is the only real way to ensure precision over power. Blasting the ball far wide of the top corner would suggest that you are definately not using the outside of the boot or the instep (R2). Your smashing it with the 'laces' which can go anyway to be honest, in PES and real-life. Only the worlds greatest strikers on PES can actually perform the R2 controlled shot naturally, without you having to actually press it. It's in their arsenal, technique-wise.

You can even run square with the box, hold down your shot power to maximum, then aim for the corner and press R2. This will look to bend one in the far top corner. Class.

Edit - Just for the record, Drogba can do the 'Knuckleball' as well.
 
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I've scored with the R2 technique a few times but sometimes it doesn't always spring to mind in the heat of the moment. Back to training then for me.
 
Use R2 for everything Tobi. Get used to pressing it as you receive the ball. Use it to drag the ball back with the opposite direction on the pad to the way your facing. That buys you a valuable second and it ensures better body posture for the following pass. Use it to trigger runs in your opponents half after you have pressed pass (X). Use it after you press cross to loft the ball into the box, it hangs in the air to give your attackers time to meet it. Use it for chipped passes forward, for the same reason.

R2 is hands-down the most important and under-used button in PES. It really does seperate good players from great players. You can even hold it once in possession in tight spaces to bring the ball close to your feet. The less of the ball your show to your opponent, the less chance they have to take it from you in a standing challenge.

Next time we are online together give me a shout, I'll happily show you just how effective it is in all areas. You'll be very suprised.

Without R2 my Senegal and Chievo teams would not even be competative. I beat Athletico Madrid 8-2 last night with Chievo, a freak result, but all goals were scored with R2.
 
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Jimmy I use R2/L2 in my general play all the time, its instinctive. When I get into the box and have time to think I tend to make the wrong decision or wait too long for the keeper to commit and make up my mind for me.

We'll play this weekend.
 
i found R2 really poor compared to pes6 in both shooting (most r2 shot are just bad) and in shielding the ball (i found little or no use, players shield the ball automatically like they automatically score goals when u cross the ball and press nothing). On line/off line i don't press anything and players like messi o villa can stop a keeper throw with a giant defender right behind them.

it's ok for dribling but the animation is annoying and repetitive and makes me feel like one of those trick bitches.

Sometimes i feel jimmy is playing a different game than what most of us have bought.
 
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Wendetta said:
i found R2 really poor compared to pes6 in both shooting (most r2 shot are just bad) and in shielding the ball (i found little or no use, players shield the ball automatically like they automatically score goals when u cross the ball and press nothing). On line/off line i don't press anything and players like messi o villa can stop a keeper throw with a giant defender right behind them.

it's ok for dribling but the animation is annoying and repetitive and makes me feel like one of those trick bitches.

Sometimes i feel jimmy is playing a different game than what most of us have bought.
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I mostly feel that alot of people dont fully understand or appreciate just how technically sound in replication this game is. It's so far advanced from old-gen that alot of what the game reproduces passes people by. We have niggles, we always will have, but what the game does right far outweighs it's minor issues. A good example is the way the game, at times, currently ensures that the statistics are adhered to. Blatant defensive AI disorientation to make sure a relevant pass from a skilled player is completed, is an area that needs work. I fully appreciate though that the groundbreaking introduction of this new semi-assisted, statistic based passing system, will offer up it's own problems. These currently are few and far between, but they are apparent. I'm sure the base currently in place will be enhanced to the level required in the next installation.

It's got nothing to do with having a different game, it's merely understanding what Konami are doing, appreciating and rolling with it. It's a very technical simulation that will never appeal to all, especially the casual gamer. It's also a simulation that rewards and favours the use of footballing fundamentals. For me personally, the levels of frustration that can arise from this game, for the most part, can be tracked back to myself and my play. Wrong decisions, lack of composure, lack of confidence, not fully following the basic fundamentals of football etc etc are all elements that can stifle my PES play. These are all elements that also detract from my play in real-life on the pitch. Comparisons drawn at times can be frightening.

I love the game, it's not perfect, but it's so far advanced from anything previous or anything available now. In my humble opinion. I've also been down this road a million times before so that is my last word on it.
 
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tobi said:
How do you guys handle 1 on 1's? I've missed so many good chances its incredible.

I'll aim for the bottom right corner but my guy will shank it wide of the top left corner... I know all about body technique/positioning etc etc but sometimes it feels like that stuff is all BS.

I've seen many stupid things occur during 1 on 1's and some things just don't add up.
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I can assure you for the most part it is BS, consistency needs to be achieved in PES 2012. It's as if the difficulty in shooting was a total afterthought and tweaked unnaturally towards the end of game development. The online lag just makes it all the much harder to nail any sort of shot.
 
Why is it bullshit ? I totally dont agree at all. Jeez, my Chievo and Senegalese players are anything but 'assisted'. They are poor in every area for the most part. The only way I get success is ensuring all these variables are in place. On the contrary, I played a couple of games with Benfica and it felt like I was playing with Brazil. Alot of assistance across the board with alot less requirement to adhere exclusively to definate fundamentals.

I genuinely dont understand how people can shoot with a variety of body postures and angles and not feel that its either technically right or wrong. Or the percentage of the subsequent results. Maybe I am playing a different game. One thing is for sure though, I honestly dont 'get' alot of people on these boards, and they probably dont 'get' me. :CONFUSE:
 
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real recognize real :P

But more seriously the things Jimmy listed do matter very much when scoring 1 on 1's It takes some time and practice but eventually it will go naturally

Aside from that one of the strenghts in this pes is the amount of different goals you can score When it comes to 1 on 1's shooting in the same corner wont always result in goals like the previous game
 
I get very good results on 1-on-1's with controlled shots (R2), most of them low shots, just to get it away from the keeper.

What Jimmy said about body posture and positions is also very important. Also, I would say, the ball's position relative to the player's body. Some people complain they get only weak shots... But if you have a good distance to hit it (even better if you're sprinting) then you can get good results. I was able to hit some screamers unsing players with shot power ratings around 80's.

One thing I do find difficult so far in 1-on-1's is to dribble past the keeper. I guess I had gotten spoiled with the ease of using square + X in previous versions...
 
R2 is the most important button on PES. You should be using it for all the areas that Jimmy G mentioned.

I've snuck a ball low and between the keepers legs with R2 already it adds so much more control to all aspects of the game.
 
I agree with Jimmy about the one-on-ones, R2 is your friend :).
Also don't forget to use the shot fake when near the keeper, which may make him commit, giving you a chance to tap into an open goal.

The R1 chip is a good option sometimes too, but it's context-sensitive and not something you can really teach anyone, you can't just run up to the goal thinking "I'm going to do an R1 dink", it doesn't work like that, it's for use in split-second decisions when deemed relevant.

Players with the 1-on-1 finish card and good shot technique can pull off superb finishes, and make them look easy, I suggest that anyone with an MLO team invest in one!

None of it is random/BS, whenever I miss I can usually put it down to something I did wrong or me asking a player to do something beyond their ability.

Oh and thanks for the tips on the knuckleball shot, I've managed to strike a few now, none have resulted in goals yet but they do look nice! :)
 
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Cardboard football.

Gameplay is based on the exact same 1990s engine that powered ISS Pro Evo.

13 years on, no new ideas at all....lmfao.....utterly abismal... :(

This game is pathetic beyond belief....yet is still marginally better than FIFA, which makes it the best footie game available :( .....FUCK
 
winston said:
Cardboard football.

Gameplay is based on the exact same 1990s engine that powered ISS Pro Evo.

13 years on, no new ideas at all....lmfao.....utterly abismal... :(

This game is pathetic beyond belief....yet is still marginally better than FIFA, which makes it the best footie game available :( .....FUCK
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nope.avi.
 
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