PES 2011 Discussion thread

Does no-one seriously suffer the same amount of in-game glitches that I do? I just popped the game back in for the first time in months to see if I'd like it any more than I used to, and wow, I mean WOW. Two matches played, two matches ruined by in-game glitches, the game is then promptly switched off again. How any of you guys put up with this is beyond me. It's so bad it's funny to watch.

So to ease myself back into things I play on Professional, as a top team against a 'lesser' team. I pick Bayern vs Nice. I dominate, their keeper pulls of a string of stunning reflex saves, then they go and score this. I love how the AI makes my international class keeper palm an easy shot from an impossible angle into his own net;

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I lose the game 1-0 thanks to my awful keeper and their unknown who plays like he's the best keeper in the world. One of those games I tell myself.

Second game, I play Barcelona vs a randomly selected Birmingham City at the Camp Nou. Despite again dominating and not taking my chances, the AI strolls up the pitch and does this to me - the ball breaks for the striker in the middle, my defender is near him, but surprise surprise, just at the EXACT vital moment the AI decides that it won't let me have control of the nearest defender until the AI has the ball in front of goal. Not only that, but the AI actively makes my defender run away from the striker as he gathers the ball with and empty net. It's a total farce, a bug ridden mess. I get control of the defender, conveniently, the moment the AI has allowed itself to have the ball and an empty net.

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Second half, and this now happens. An AI attacker wins the ball but it runs through to Valdes. Conveniently, the game gets confused and won't let him pick up the ball. So I have control of my keeper, but for some reason he starts running with the ball to the right all of his own accord. Now at this moment I'm repeatedly pressing multiple buttons to simply hoof the ball into the stand to the right, but he won't do it. He just carries on dribbling until he gets tackled. Oh, the whole time I'm also moving the direction stick RIGHT so that he can punt it off for a corner. Eventually a button press registers way too late, and it deflects off the defender. Note that I have 5 players in the box to their 2. The ball ricochets 'amazingly' to the one other AI attacker in the box, who hits a weak shot at goal. Now, I have control of Puyol on the line, and I push up on the direction stick to sprint towards the ball that's clearly traveling to that side of the goal. Except, the AI makes my cursor switching go mental again, and it removes control of Puyol completely. The AI then makes Puyol stand totally still and do some odd stretch animation. It rolls into the net. Stunningly pathetic.

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Next, if that weren't annoying and hilarious in equal measures, they score again from a break away, again it's 2 vs 5. Now, before the first shot has come in I know that the AI can almost never score from this type of goal, but will REPEATEDLY score the rebound. I see Jerome in the corner of the screen, and already know he's going to score a tap in. Sure enough, Valdes saves the shot and awfully parries it into the middle of the goal, where Jerome is running in. This happens almost every single time. Your keeper parries the shot, it goes to the one exact spot their lone attacker happens to be standing. Again, what a 'coincidence'. It's basically a default way of scoring the AI tries to get on the cheap. I say this because my shots always seem to rebound to their defender, yet their shots always rebound to their striker.

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So, I get a chance to equalise in injury time. I play a panicky pass into the box not very well, somehow it works it's way through the box to Xavi, who only has to run onto the ball and have an easy 1v1. Easy? Nope. The AI yet AGAIN at the vital moment goes mental with the cursor switching, and simply refuses to hand control of him over to me. Xavi just stands there and lets the defender gather what should have been an easy chance on goal. Xavi is the one at the top of the screen who was moving towards the ball then just stopped.

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Then to compound the annoyance, the AI then makes Cameron Jerome, at the Camp Nou against the best team in the world, score this seconds before the whistle goes.

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To say the game isn't unfairly working against you would be to deny how the AI tries to get any kind of result. It's really really feeble. It's hilarious, which is why I posted it, but shows in just two matches how crazily bugged and glitched the game is. I assume it's glitched, because these odd moments always go in the AI's favour....

So I haven't played the game for months, pop it in, and less than half an hour later I've been done over by multiple, awful, glaring errors with the game. Shame really, there are no decent football titles on the market. I had different but just as annoyed complaints about FIFA, which to me shows how crap both games are. Seriously, these games are being released unfinished and bugged.

I may seem like a moany so and so but I don't ever have such complaints about games like Battlefield BC2 for example. Someone else really needs to come in and make a decent football game that is at least in a finished state upon release.
 
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It happens all the time for me and the patch didn't do much either.
 
LTFC's comments completely justified. I'm just waiting for the excuses to come.

The last video though. 1.40 in. YouTube - BBC Match Of The Day Goal Of The Season 2009/10

I don't know if you really meant to either but you've highlighted how poor the physics can be too in your series of videos, this being my biggest irk of this years iteration. Slow balls bouncing miles away from the slow running player it just happens to hit (3rd vid), players constantly driving the ball low at really fast speeds (it happens IRL but this is generally the way it always happens in PES) and players generally being able to get loads of power on shots whilst doing an awkward turn (1st vid and to some extent the 2nd with that backlift). Also how the ball manages to get outside spin during the mix up between Valdes and the Birmingham player i don't quite know.
 
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I think most of us agree that the rigid scripting needs to be fixed. In fact many have been complaining about these very issues months ago! The game touts 'total freedom' while at the same time constricting it.

If you have a PC that can run it well get it for windows. The combined work of Yair, Jenkey and many others have transformed the game; it is more challenging without relying too heavily on cheap tricks.

I find it very amusing that year after year, Konami's glitches and bugs (on the PC) are almost always fixed or at the very least, improved by community members.
 
Northzzz said:
LTFC's comments completely justified. I'm just waiting for the excuses to come.

The last video though. 1.40 in. YouTube - BBC Match Of The Day Goal Of The Season 2009/10

I don't know if you really meant to either but you've highlighted how poor the physics can be too in your series of videos, this being my biggest irk of this years iteration. Slow balls bouncing miles away from the slow running player it just happens to hit (3rd vid), players constantly driving the ball low at really fast speeds (it happens IRL but this is generally the way it always happens in PES) and players generally being able to get loads of power on shots whilst doing an awkward turn (1st vid and to some extent the 2nd with that backlift). Also how the ball manages to get outside spin during the mix up between Valdes and the Birmingham player i don't quite know.
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Haha that's well funny! An almost identical goal! To be fair, I wasn't really complaining that much about it other than the fact that the AI seemed to be rubbing it in after all the other stuff from the videos had just happened.....what a goal though!

It's incredible that a game can be released year after year and yet apparently fans of the game are having to dedicate their time to correcting the problems the developers couldn't sort out themselves. Just incredible. Same goes with FIFA, people spend hundreds of hours sorting through all the individual teams and adjusting their stats to try and make them play more realistically. We're the ones who pay for the product, so it's amazing this seems to go on. Fair play to those who put in the effort for others to enjoy, but really, they shouldn't have to be doing this.

Glad to hear someone else is having problems like these, it occurs almost every match I play in some form or another and mostly costs a goal. Kind of leaves you wondering what's the point in playing if the game will get a goal back through no fault of your own, or prevent you from scoring in situations where all you need is for the game to give you basic control of the player nearest the ball.

There are so many bizarre things that go on in this game, for instance I ran across to gather a loose ball in acres of space, held R2 and nothing else, yet he just punted the ball out of play without me touching anything. Kind of feels like sometimes the game plays half of it for you.
 
I'm not going to deny the existance of, or make excuses for those ridiculous glitches in the videos, they're awful and need to be fixed.

However, they are VERY infrequent for me, I can go for weeks without seeing a glaring bug, yet for you it seems to be every single game you play! Bizarre!
 
Rob92 said:
I'm not going to deny the existance of, or make excuses for those ridiculous glitches in the videos, they're awful and need to be fixed.

However, they are VERY infrequent for me, I can go for weeks without seeing a glaring bug, yet for you it seems to be every single game you play! Bizarre!
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Yup, almost every single game. I think someone must have sabotaged my copy on the way out from the factory ;)
 
iv come to a conclusion with pes 2011 after many tests in order to get the best gameplay, when played on low detail from the pes settings the game actually runs just like pes, as soon as you put the the game detail on high the gameplay is full of funny buggy glitches, konami must eliminate these problems problems with pes 2012
 
Rob92 said:
My mate scored this yesterday;

YouTube - PES 2011 - Gerrard volley

Nice goal, but shows off the problem with the animation of volleys, he's got both feet on the ground until the ball is within a yard of him!
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That's a great hit! I love the swerve too. I see what you mean with the animation. It's only slightly behind the beat though. Wouldn't have to adjust it by much to make it look more realistic. I wish they'd fix the side foot animation. Sometimes the placed shot looks great and sometimes it looks like the leg moves as one, without a knee joint haha
 
Lami said:
So the high details is interfering with gameplay then? Is that possible?
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It could be interfering with AI ... CPU has to dedicate more time to the visuals (although GPU should do most of the extra work), thus having less time to do AI routines. IMO, weaker AI could lead to players acting "funny" on the pitch.

I'd also assume that such an effect would be less observable for higher-end CPUs/GPUs.
 
Lami said:
So the high details is interfering with gameplay then? Is that possible?
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pretty much yes iv tried nearly over a hundred different settings, i actually gained weight when i was observing the game for days just to get the average pes game right,

what comes as a suprise is the fact that pes 2011 what ever you do with the settings the game runs into problems with player physx that dramatically affect your gameplay, for example strange volleys that don't look like soccer but rather rushed quick goals with desperate frames cut in half, i am so sure that from my end my pc is far good enough to run the game, but that is not the problem anymore, you see i look at youtube videos of players doing really weird stuff in the gameplay on other pc's, sudden halts, or unnecessary forward tip overs, all this time i thought that it was from my end but no,


what im trying to say is this graphical content and detail believe me reduces your pc's ability to play pes, what has happened to this game is the graphics is actually better than the gameplay, this should be the opposite, now im playing on low detail in the settings of pes 2011 and im just getting tyhe type of game and gameplay i wanted from pes 2011, im sorry for eye candy lovers but the game is not the game your playing, the player bugs are enough to prove my point, so at the end of the day if you got all your details up high plus gpu settings plus kits bla bla you will wait much longer to score a goal that would melt your heart.

i just want everyone to try this play the game on low detail and leave the nvidia settings alone lets see what you get, i bet you can twist and turn much better. my expectation of pes 2012 is actually average graphics with fixes of buggy moves, now if konami go ahead and say na, will improve the graphics more they must go backwards to see how the gameplay was played, to name a few that i think is pes is we9le, pes 6, pes 2009.
 
With the Gerrard thing it's his ability to bend his body backwards when the ball is kind of behind him and get that much power on a ball that high that gets me about the volley situation. It's kind of like Van Persie goal v Charlton but further out, and the ball is at a more awkward height.

I mean the issue with volleys is completely needed to accept that a player has to move into the ball in order to adjust their body and get ready to strike it in a specific way, that just doesn't happen at the moment.

Regarding the PC graphics stuff: Is it a case of the game actually playing better or it just looking like it plays better? I remember playing PES 2010 on an old CRT tv last year and thought it looked like it plaed better than on my HD.
 
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Northzzz said:
With the Gerrard thing it's his ability to bend his body backwards when the ball is kind of behind him and get that much power on a ball that high that gets me about the volley situation. It's kind of like Van Persie goal v Charlton but further out, and the ball is at a more awkward height.

I mean the issue with volleys is completely needed to accept that a player has to move into the ball in order to adjust their body and get ready to strike it in a specific way, that just doesn't happen at the moment.

Regarding the PC graphics stuff: Is it a case of the game actually playing better or it just looking like it plays better? I remember playing PES 2010 on an old CRT tv last year and thought it looked like it plaed better than on my HD.
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"I mean the issue with volleys is completely needed to accept that a player has to move into the ball in order to adjust their body and get ready to strike it in a specific way, that just doesn't happen at the moment."

Yes you git it spot on and this is exactly what i mean, let me tell you that if you type pes in youtube just a little down there is a video of goals on pes 2009, my word don't they look great compared with pes 2011 goals.

here it is love the commentary hehe :)

YouTube - Top 25 Goals PES 2009 HQ
 
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ML on max difficult is still way too easy.

I am playing with an average second division italian team, i only bought 3-4 average players (+70), got promoted the fist year and now i sit 4th in serie A after 20 games in which i conceded 7 goals...

Playing 10 min games.

Does it get more difficult on a 15 min game?
 
Primepeace said:
pretty much yes iv tried nearly over a hundred different settings, i actually gained weight when i was observing the game for days just to get the average pes game right,

what comes as a suprise is the fact that pes 2011 what ever you do with the settings the game runs into problems with player physx that dramatically affect your gameplay, for example strange volleys that don't look like soccer but rather rushed quick goals with desperate frames cut in half, i am so sure that from my end my pc is far good enough to run the game, but that is not the problem anymore, you see i look at youtube videos of players doing really weird stuff in the gameplay on other pc's, sudden halts, or unnecessary forward tip overs, all this time i thought that it was from my end but no,


what im trying to say is this graphical content and detail believe me reduces your pc's ability to play pes, what has happened to this game is the graphics is actually better than the gameplay, this should be the opposite, now im playing on low detail in the settings of pes 2011 and im just getting tyhe type of game and gameplay i wanted from pes 2011, im sorry for eye candy lovers but the game is not the game your playing, the player bugs are enough to prove my point, so at the end of the day if you got all your details up high plus gpu settings plus kits bla bla you will wait much longer to score a goal that would melt your heart.

i just want everyone to try this play the game on low detail and leave the nvidia settings alone lets see what you get, i bet you can twist and turn much better. my expectation of pes 2012 is actually average graphics with fixes of buggy moves, now if konami go ahead and say na, will improve the graphics more they must go backwards to see how the gameplay was played, to name a few that i think is pes is we9le, pes 6, pes 2009.
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When I bought PES 2009 for the PC I found that depending on the resolution you played at (e.g 1280x1024 or 16850), or the refresh rate setting of your monitor (e.g. 60/70/75 etc.), the game sped up or slowed down, very strange :/
 
Rob92 said:
How the fuck is this not offside?;

YouTube - PES 2011 - Offside not given

And no, nobody was playing him on off-screen... The goal stood!
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Maybe the defenders head touching the ball threw out the AI or something. I've seen a couple of offsides not given either. It was annoying but kinda cool to see a realistic mistake creep into a game. The one's that really annoy me are where there's a clear foul and the player goes down (not stumbles) and its play on. Not sure if the player has a hidden dive attribute or if the ref sometimes just lets them go?
 
sorry for the very newbie question but when i preform or try to a 1 , 2 pass my player only moves a few meteres

were when playing mlo i see other players bombing forward all the time from all over the pitch

im holding l1 and x , am i missing something here?
 
LTFC said:
Yup, almost every single game. I think someone must have sabotaged my copy on the way out from the factory ;)
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I've found things get worse the deeper into Master League I go - almost like the inherent scripting within the offline mode is degrading the game engine somehow - it's got to the point where I just can't play it anymore - I can't believe how Konami and EA seem to be going backwards...
 
bramley said:
sorry for the very newbie question but when i preform or try to a 1 , 2 pass my player only moves a few meteres

were when playing mlo i see other players bombing forward all the time from all over the pitch

im holding l1 and x , am i missing something here?
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Holding L1 and pressing pass button will make a pass and move. Maybe what you're seeing are other tactics. Player support set to a high value? 15 to 20 ? That might be doing it. Or ultra offensive tactics?
 
I realised I probably haven't used high through balls once. I only use manual lob passes instead, anyone else do this? Maybe it's because I come back from playing manual FIFA, because I used to use high through balls a lot before in PES. It's funny in a way since they forgot to program the AI to make high through balls too, they also only use lob passes, but not long for the player to run on, only directly to the player.
 
CalcioCalabrese said:
Holding L1 and pressing pass button will make a pass and move. Maybe what you're seeing are other tactics. Player support set to a high value? 15 to 20 ? That might be doing it. Or ultra offensive tactics?
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with all due respect, i seriously hope this l1 + pass is removed for 2012. ppl are terribly mis-using it, and it's just not realistic. players should make runs themselves, like how they actually already almost do in the game. it's terrible playing against someone who uses l1 with every pass.
 
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