PES 2011 Discussion thread

It's just the same fucking thing when you play at the big clubs. I tried that using default player in BAL mode. It's a gamebreaker and just rage-inducing thing. The gameplay actually worse than in 2010 due to broken AI.Except for a few new features, this version is worse than PES2010.

Tried FIFA 11 and the gameplay bores me after a few matches. In career mode, it feels like grinding for points and achievements.
 
The difference between players in terms of intelligence isn't nearly enough in BAL, but it is still much better than BAP. I moved from Brighton to Barcelona and Messi was no better than Lua Lua. At least in BAL there does seem to be SOME difference - Pato's scored some pretty crafty goals for AC so far in my fourth season (and fourth club). Most of the difference between sides does seem to come in the form of the tactics though.
 
Aaaaargh this game!! today playing online losing 2-1 I am spurs
this kid is france 88th minute ball in his penalty area around centre spot modric unmarked this is it equaliser I think to myself ready to see it nestle in the onion bag but then no auto switching so modric can slot it in so i frantically press L1 still does not select modric and he clears it jesus its happening too many times i am ready for snapping this game in two. why cant they get it to automatically switch to your player nearest the ball for gods sake!!
 
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Jimmy G-Force said:
It seriously baffles me to the point where I dont really know how realistic people want a football game to be ? Or how they perceive realism ?

Sure there are niggles here and there, but they are hardly gamebreaking. Konami absolutely nail 95% of the 'game' in my opinion.
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Yeah they have a great game in hands but they seem to give only half of what they really could. Look at the MLO mode, it could be 5 times better if they maintained the core ideas of the real ML mode. It's almost ridiculous that the most popular players in the game are the ones of 20 rating that are used only to fill the 16 player gap, in order to have a starting eleven of absurd quality with Messi, Dotan, Ronaldo, Arshavin etc.
And there's a lot of glitches that the game engine suffer and Konami knows by now that this glitches are exploited most of the time by users online in order just to win at any cost.
This is just an opinion...

By far PES 2011 is the football revelation of the year, it is a pleasure and an addiction to play it most of the time but seriously it has some serious improvements to be adressed.

P.S: Competitions with 5 minute matches!!!! Wake up Konami, real good football in a multi-layered game like PES is at least played in 10 min, and for me the most balanced is 15 min.
 
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WishMaster 23 said:
Yeah they have a great game in hands but they seem to give only half of what they really could. Look at the MLO mode, it could be 5 times better if they maintained the core ideas of the real ML mode. It's almost ridiculous that the most popular players in the game are the ones of 20 rating that are used only to fill the 16 player gap, in order to have a starting eleven of absurd quality with Messi, Dotan, Ronaldo, Arshavin etc.
And there's a lot of glitches that the game engine suffer and Konami knows by now that this glitches are exploited most of the time by users online in order just to win at any cost.
This is just an opinion...

By far PES 2011 is the football revelation of the year, it is a pleasure and an addiction to play it most of the time but seriously it has some serious improvements to be adressed.

P.S: Competitions with 5 minute matches!!!! Wake up Konami, real good football in a multi-layered game like PES is at least played in 10 min, and for me the most balanced is 15 min.
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I disagree with the blog post, my dream game would be PES + football manager. I want it to be deep, I want to be doing everything I do and see in football manager plus being able to play it out with my abilities.

Having regen players, having football world which I can play.

Why do we have to settle for things of old. Alot of people did not like the idea of changing from pad to sticks, but the future is suppossed to be advancement and progression not staying in the same place.

Maybe it's because I'm younger, but I also enjoyed the old PES ML. That does not mean it should not be deeper.

My two cents. :)
 
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jcvf90 said:
I disagree with the blog post, my dream game would be PES + football manager. I want it to be deep, I want to be doing everything I do and see in football manager plus being able to play it out with my abilities.

Having regen players, having football world which I can play.

Why do we have to settle for things of old. Alot of people did not like the idea of changing from pad to sticks, but the future is suppossed to be advancement and progression not staying in the same place.

Maybe it's because I'm younger, but I also enjoyed the old PES ML. That does not mean it should not be deeper.

My two cents. :)
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It can never be as deep as FM and it's nowhere near. As it currently is it compromises, it has to, and as much as it's a step by step process it still needs a lot of work over the years to become a 'deep' experience. Perhaps it feels like an OLD ML STYLE would be better as it is just because it still feels so far off being a deep ML experience. Scouting, coaches etc are great in theory but don't actually add much at all and kind of feel like they're there for the sake of it rather than serving any kind of purpose. Transfer negotiations are probably a huge nuisance for any people used to the old PES games. I hate having to wait a couple of weeks for a reply because of the so few weeks we get. The week by week process off season worked well because if i didn't get the player i wanted after a couple of weeks of negotiations at least i had that rush to panic buy because i was pushed for time. What happens now? I wait, then wait and if i'm lucky i get a reply a couple of weeks after bidding. I can't even panic buy because it takes so long to reply. Just one of the new things that i find tries to replicate real life to provide a 'deeper' experience but just doesn't add much.

Don't think i'm not for advancement though because i am but i just think they're doing it badly.

I'm only 20 but owned all the PES games except 2009 so if you're younger?? and more used to the new games i think you would be less affected as I think the guy who wrote it has a deep sense of nostalgia which kind of swayed his opinion, i too probably hold a similar sense of nostalgia. If PES 2011 had the same ML style as the old games i still don't think i'd enjoy it as much as i enjoyed PES 4/5. I like PES 2011 but not as much as i enjoyed those games for their time and i think that is a factor. So do i think the ML in PES 2011 is boring or do i think PES 2011 is boring? I think it's kind of half and half. I do think i would enjoy the OLD ML STYLE more in PES 2011 than the new one (because of the faux sense of deepness as i suggested before) but i don't think it'd solve all my problems with how enjoyable the game's campaign could be because i still find the game problematic. Off the top of my head i think the CPU AI is rubbish and even on top player it's too easy against a lot of teams when it shouldn't be (Fulham 6 - 0 Chelsea earlier for example) and i don't even think i'm very good at the game. Those kind of results affect ML. Teams like Chelsea and Man United suck when i'm playing against them always but somebody like Tottenham seem to fall into the games preferred tactics and are good (not to say i always lose against them but they put up a better fight). Don't get why the game is like that, i assume it's a case of tactics winning over players.

I still think the champs league license worked against the game because it was at that point they decided to try and get all serious in ML. I think it's why they had to get rid of the fantasy league structure and fantasy ML team and that was a great aspect.


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I never said current PES is deep. I agree there is a false sense of depth in ML.

My point is, the same way I want simulation on the gameplay, I want simulation in my ML.

I understand it cannot be FM deep, but a better job has to be done, and going backwards should not be an option.
 
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jcvf90 said:
I never said current PES is deep. I agree there is a false sense of depth in ML.

My point is, the same way I want simulation on the gameplay, I want simulation in my ML.

I understand it cannot be FM deep, but a better job has to be done, and going backwards should not be an option.
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I kind of said much the same in reply to that blog article but it hasn't been approved by a mod yet. The depth that PES has added is currently too much like admin and takes away from your ability to create the sorts of stories talked about in the blog. If the game is going to add depth then it needs to add to the game in areas that add to the 'story', rather than the office work.

Northzzz - can't you do transfer deals outside of the window? Meaning you have all year to sign someone, but only a couple of months or so in which they can actually move?
 
Jamezinho said:
Northzzz said:
http://winningelevenblog.com/blog/imagination-the-key-to-realism/

good blog post and i agree with it all so have a read because i think it appeals to the more nostalgic of us
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Definitely agree with the sentiment of the article. Games used to be simpler and you used your imagination to fill in the gaps.
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I think there's a lot of sense there.

I don't think it is necessarily a case of simplicity or complexity, just simply good design. Neither taking things out nor putting more in is a guarantee of anything... in games design, identifying and appreciating the worth of something is the important (and difficult) part.

I find it such a shame when career mode features in any sports game are just included for the sake of adding more, without being refined to what is actually fun about participating. The pursuit of more for the sake of more is folly.

What is most enjoyable, satisfying and memorable in a (simulated) football management career? It's assembling, developing and moulding a squad to your vision. The article is spot on when it says it's not about running detailed accounts or organising staff/facilities.

Football Manager works not because there's so much to do, but because of the emergent narrative. Your choices and actions affect the personnel & relationships around you and that is what sparks the imagination, generates immersion. Emotional response invokes a richer experience than merely 'levelling up'.
 
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Northzzz said:
I still think the champs league license worked against the game because it was at that point they decided to try and get all serious in ML. I think it's why they had to get rid of the fantasy league structure and fantasy ML team and that was a great aspect.
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Totally agree with this. As much as I love the Champions League - and would never want to see Konami lose the licence - it's inclusion in the Master League was detrimental in my opinion.

So now you have four 20 team divisions which are basically the Italian, Spanish, French and English leagues, with a borked faux second division for one of them. If I want to play a Master League as Porto, Zenit, Panithinaikos or Ajax where does my team belong? Playing mixed leagues doesn't work because it fucks up the CL qualification.

That's my main problem with the mode. Konami are trying to offer a more realistic manager mode without the league infrastructure to do it.

Therefore I want the old fanatsy ML back, or at least as a concurrent mode to the existing ML. Master League always was a fantasy mode, and until Konami can boast the same line-up of leagues as Fifa, with multiple divisions for promotion and relegation, then the Master League in it's current form doesn't make much sense.

Fantasy doesn't mean less depth, if anything it's more fun.
 
Then I guess what they can do is add options when picking ML, something like:

1- Realistic
2- Fantasy

And based on your pick you'll either get the old fantasy ML with mixed leagues without CL, or get what we currently have.

But don't think this'll happen though.
 
Lami said:
Then I guess what they can do is add options when picking ML, something like:

1- Realistic
2- Fantasy

And based on your pick you'll either get the old fantasy ML with mixed leagues without CL, or get what we currently have.

But don't think this'll happen though.
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I'd love that. But it will never happen. Konami have spent too much money on the CL licence to drop it from the flagship mode.
 
When the ball is on the floor the physics work pretty well. As soon as the ball goes off the ground the physics are just...well a bit rubbish. Plus does it irk anybody else when a player heads a ball away clear with some conviction when the ball is behind him and he doesn't look up at it but still knows just when to head it anyway.

Anyway something else i just noticed too, I loaded up a game at night and the game went to shit, i.e switching issues and response problems were aplenty. I played the same game with the same teams both with green form on the day setting and it works much better. I know i'm not the first person to point out that the game gets weird when you play with the night setting on but it's still pretty odd isn't it.

Oh and whilst i'm complaining i made some custom transfer changes to my game as the DLC isn't coming for ages and thankfully the teams formations all get messed up. GK's and DF's going up front and a general mismatch of players in postions they shouldn't be for pretty much every team i made transfers for. Won't take that long to sort out but it's a bit lame.
 
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Not great from Konami but I suppose it's more than we used to get a few years ago, with no official transfer updates...
 
Thing is, a couple of option file makers working in their spare time can get the transfer updates out well before Konami do, which shouldn't be happening when you think about it.
 
The new update probably includes updated kits and boots as well as transfers. Its the only reason I can think of for it being pushed back for so long.
 
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