PES 2011 Discussion thread

klashman69 said:
Ok, i played this Copa Libertadores match twice since i was 3-0 down after 25 minutes and there wasn't much point in finishing since i was out and i had to re load.

Now, two of the three goals they scored where from those through balls you speak off.

Now i realized in that match i didn't organize the team styles.

When i reloaded, i organized the team styles to how i wanted. EVERY through ball they tired failed. I won 1-0 and they didn't even have a shot in the secound half despite having pretty much all the play!

Yes, organization prevent those goals man!





That's what I'm talking about with the organization, your defense dosen't have to fall apart like that. Setting up team styles is a skill, as much as making a great slide tackle! The depth in terms of what you can do is THAT deep, only things i can't prevent is those fucking free kicks and every now and again just like in real life, those wonder volleys (not bicycle or scissors)



Also he's right in his point imo. I also have never or rarely felt PES 2011 cheated to the point it was unplayable. Only ONCE has the game lost it's value and that was when they scored the same fucking free kick for 2 games running, then again, i didn't really play that well in either game. Also remember like i said, look how many advantages you have over the CPU.
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again, my tactics are ace, everything is set up
dont believe ?
your thing..
and i havent said its through pass problems
and nor my defence is falling apart(u said that)
its certain like 1v1 situations were cpu decides pro opponent contra my team
i said its several problems in a row so cpu can score somehow(wich i understand but why i almost never felt cheated on ps2 engine games ? they have much better ai in my oponion so less of this subtle "scripting" stuff was needed)

i cant do nothing if i cant even select a certain player quickly(yes its semi assisted blabla and i mastered this years ago), or a certain cpu player gets the ball back like 3x times in a row after i made i very good tackle(rebound "luck" to cpu)
if after that stuff a defender just makes a few steps forward out of nothing(cpu controlled) exactly that way so the cpu striker can pass him by well.. thats ai cheats
if u dont see this...
no point to discuss it here any longer

sry for the late response
oh and yes fanman sry jimmy :)

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i also feel that cpu plays much more like these cheap online human players since pes 010, i dont like that
mainly same stupid goals i concead offline or online
its basically a play to exploit certain game weaknesses so that u have no chance sometimes

if i go back to play pes 6 the ai feels better and plays less repetitive
well thats my opinion

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oh and yes im done with online too, just frustration most of the time, the bright moments cant counter this sadly
 
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Rob92 said:
I regularly take breaks from the game, I only play PES 2 or 3 times a week now in 1 or 2 hour sessions, and that's nothing against the game, just that you can have too much of a good thing.
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I'm taking the 'little and often' approach too. If I had played this game everyday since release I think I would have given up on it by now. But playing for a few hours a week suits me fine. Keeps it fresh and doesn't allow the faults and flaws to get to me.

PES2011 a very good football game but it's not up to PES5 standards of solidity, consistency and addictiveness. Now, roll on the first PES2012 news. I've already got my tickets for the hype train.:))
 
Jamezinho said:
I'm taking the 'little and often' approach too. If I had played this game everyday since release I think I would have given up on it by now. But playing for a few hours a week suits me fine. Keeps it fresh and doesn't allow the faults and flaws to get to me.
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Yes, well then again if you have a life which I'm know you have, you won't have to play it every day anyway :LOL: Thats how it is with me.

Jamezinho said:
PES2011 a very good football game but it's not up to PES5 standards of solidity, consistency and addictiveness. Now, roll on the first PES2012 news. I've already got my tickets for the hype train.:))
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Yes, it's not really been nearly as good as PES 5 was at the time, i mean it's a far better game than PES 5 technically just way too many niggles, issues, online very broken at times etc...

Unless Konami do a monumental fuck up, go back to the ardcade style stuff PES 2012 should be some game!!! :))
 
ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue said:
again, my tactics are ace, everything is set up
dont believe ?
your thing..
and i havent said its through pass problems
and nor my defence is falling apart(u said that)
its certain like 1v1 situations were cpu decides pro opponent contra my team
i said its several problems in a row so cpu can score somehow
It's more the AI moving player into silly position than anything.


(wich i understand but why i almost never felt cheated on ps2 engine games ? they have much better ai in my oponion so less of this subtle "scripting" stuff was needed)
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No way, the cheating on PES 5 even was crazy at times. I remember paying as Ajax in a league mode, Roda JC kept scoring wonder goals every time i equalized, i couldn't tackle them, they just went into hulk mode and ran past with ease! Kept fouling me, the game was cheating badly. Made the game play out in a pretty stupid way and that my favorite PS2 PES game and by far the best one. The AI cheated a awful lot and always has, especially on the later (PES4-6) With the restrictions to freedom.

Don't get me started with PES 6!

i cant do nothing if i cant even select a certain player quickly(yes its semi assisted blabla and i mastered this years ago), or a certain cpu player gets the ball back like 3x times in a row after i made i very good tackle(rebound "luck" to cpu)
if after that stuff a defender just makes a few steps forward out of nothing(cpu controlled) exactly that way so the cpu striker can pass him by well.. thats ai cheats
if u dont see this...
no point to discuss it here any longer
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Well when defending, like i said, i see your problem your trying to directly tackle them all the time, its not about always selecting the nearest man tote opposition ball carrier and tackling him, most of the time when i defend i don't even player switch i just move the player i have selected to where i think he would be tactically useful

For example. If i have a striker, i just run back like a madman and tackle.

if i have a winger, i just move him back infront of the oppositions teams winger and also with the midfielders i simply move them around to block passing lanes.

The primary ways to tackle for me is when one of my players who isn't selected happens to be near the ball carrier i press secondary press, or again, making sure my team keeps it shape so the AI gets crowded out!

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i also feel that cpu plays much more like these cheap online human players since pes 010, i dont like that
mainly same stupid goals i concead offline or online
its basically a play to exploit certain game weaknesses so that u have no chance sometimes
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Teams seem to play different for me so i can't generalize

if i go back to play pes 6 the ai feels better and plays less repetitive
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Most if not all teams in PES 6 just pass it out to the wing, then run, and when you try to tackle them with a barge they speed up :CONFUSE: Happens every game.

Over and over and over again, not just the the defensive positioning is very predictable, the center backs split apart a lot and are pretty easy to exploit them :)
I find PES 6's AI is ok at best, not as good as PES 5's and so far away from PES 2011, i can't really play it. Just boring game now really.

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oh and yes im done with online too, just frustration most of the time, the bright moments cant counter this sadly
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I'll go back online maybe in a week or two but there's more to life than PES man.

Also how much do you think PES and FIFA are struggling to cope with Programming the AI with 360 degree movement? Certian things like dribbling, tricks, passing etc...
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i know how to defend man, stop talk like im a dirty nub or something :p

i learned the new defence system too even before the full release came out

had series back in pes 09 online with 10 games or more w/o any goals conceded, my ratio was like 0.87 goals conceded

it has absolutely nothing to do with my input in any possible way, it has to do with the game and that it needs to score
but not in that way it does

even on nooby pesfan forums a lot of posts bout scripting n ai cheats
there were vids bout pes 09 were all this little subtle things were shown its nothing new

u are doing here if this is non existent
again my example:
lazio serie a normal league 15 mins top player no patches or OFs
i think i played 7 or 8 games and all the goals i got(5 maybe?) are cheated
never ever same happend pes3-6 to me, it was less strong or/and a better way to hide it

me and my mates are laughing our asses of every time in 2v2 the goals we are getting, its quite common sense under pes online veterans

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not even in the ESL pes6 or pes09 i conceded such goals, and players in esl are very robotic and know how to exploit things..
u just have less control as in ps2 title games, and more dirty little ai cheats
coz ai is worse now
it got worse year for year
011 is the biggest scripting fuckfest ever in a pes game :D
 
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ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue said:
i know how to defend man, stop talk like im a dirty nub or something :p

i learned the new defence system too even before the full release came out
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You mean the -> :x: stuff?

I'm not talking about that, i'm talking about the methods of how you break up the CPU attack, what do you do to stop them from scoring, what methods?

had series back in pes 09 online with 10 games or more w/o any goals conceded, my ratio was like 0.87 goals conceded
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It was much easier to defend on PES 2009


it has absolutely nothing to do with my input in any possible way, it has to do with the game and that it needs to score
but not in that way it does

even on nooby pesfan forums a lot of posts bout scripting n ai cheats
there were vids bout pes 09 were all this little subtle things were shown its nothing new
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Oh god, i think this must be a translation issue, i wasn't talking about your input, the method of what you where doing, that was my point.
u are doing here if this is non existent
again my example:
lazio serie a normal league 15 mins top player no patches or OFs
i think i played 7 or 8 games and all the goals i got(5 maybe?) are cheated
never ever same happend pes3-6 to me, it was less strong or/and a better way to hide it
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Well it's easier on PES6 to defend, the system is easier to understand as well, just hold :x: and he homes in on the opposition, with the new one, even when you press -> :x: he dosen't charge in in the way players used to. The new tackling system isn't as consistent at it was, it's a bit harder.


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not even in the ESL pes6 or pes09 i conceded such goals, and players in esl are very robotic and know how to exploit things..
u just have less control as in ps2 title games, and more dirty little ai cheats
coz ai is worse now
it got worse year for year
011 is the biggest scripting fuckfest ever in a pes game :D
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NAh i have more control over PES 2011 than i did PES6, PES6 was on rails had those really common scripted goals. PES 2009 was so easy i don't really have much to say on that game since it wasn't necessarily more control it was just that it was so goddam easy to do what you want!
 
@klash

i usually dont concede goals, cpu team has maybe 2 shots on goal
thats it
they even score goals sometimes when u cant count it as a shot :D
its completely cheated goals

a usual player selects a player near the ball and tries to attack the opponent
or covers the angle for possible passes
this is leaving holes in the defence coz defence AI is not that smart and doesnt follow players like ibrahimovic often so u cant do it as the only solution
they literally watch him, nothing more
even man mark card players i set to man mark often just tend to stop suddenly if a pass is coming to the striker and stuff like that, litte bitchy cheats

what i do next is to let the cpu press with shoot button to fill up the space to to opponent(u can do that in periods to push up the line), its bad to press it too long
and cover the angle or awaiting for the pass with the cursor player more deeper or close(in narrow situations)

next level is when i let the cpu press and see that i can switch cursor to cpu pressing player to make the tackle by my own
if its not successful change back to the previous player awaiting covering the space deeper

and more methods, like switching players fastly and just correct their position
cursor change -> correct position -> cursor change to next player to correct position .....
this happens like twice in a game where i feel the need to do it like this

my defence is solid as a rock
i tend to have more possession in a 2v1 online and more shots on target, i know how to deal with the ai
its definitely not the problem


Jamezinho said:
If Konami had any sense they would employ some of the modders in the PES community for this very reason. Other companies have done it.
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asked me that question a few times, why they dont do it..
no communication with europe?
some japanese morals/tradition? lol
is it the money? :D
the language barrier?
 
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ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue said:
@klash

i usually dont concede goals, cpu team has maybe 2 shots on goal
thats it
they even score goals sometimes when u cant count it as a shot :D
its completely cheated goals

a usual player selects a player near the ball and tries to attack the opponent
or covers the angle for possible passes
this is leaving holes in the defence coz defence AI is not that smart and doesnt follow players like ibrahimovic often so u cant do it as the only solution
they literally watch him, nothing more
even man mark card players i set to man mark often just tend to stop suddenly if a pass is coming to the striker and stuff like that, litte bitchy cheats
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So why is it then when i set players to man mark they stick tot he guy like glue almost? They stick too him way too much in fact! I'd say man marking works too well almost.



what i do next is to let the cpu press with shoot button to fill up the space to to opponent(u can do that in periods to push up the line), its bad to press it too long
and cover the angle or awaiting for the pass with the cursor player more deeper or close(in narrow situations)

next level is when i let the cpu press and see that i can switch cursor to cpu pressing player to make the tackle by my own
if its not successful change back to the previous player awaiting covering the space deeper

and more methods, like switching players fastly and just correct their position
cursor change -> correct position -> cursor change to next player to correct position .....
this happens like twice in a game where i feel the need to do it like this

my defence is solid as a rock
i tend to have more possession in a 2v1 online and more shots on target, i know how to deal with the ai
its definitely not the problem
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I didn't get any of that, sorry, but i don't think your using my method though.
 
Guys - can anyone give me a hand? I don't want to sift through all the editing forums so thought I would ask in here first. I want to create an Australian League (11 teams only) or at the very least my Adelaide United team.

I'm on Xbox 360 so I believe I have to use an Xbox live vision camera to import sponsor logo's etc. My mate at work might have a camera I can use but how do you guys do it? Have a photo on your phone or something? Or do you have a photo loaded on the TV then use the camera to take a photo of it and then edit out the background? Do I have to assign it to a slot once I'm done.

I am using Daymos' option file (I think he's on the PES gaming forum). I can do all the player editing - just want to get in the sponsor names etc to make it look authentic...
 
Just purchased and installed the game, and I'm struggling to install the DLC files. My game is still at version 1.0. Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
 
You should be able to download the DLC's via the Main Menu screen in updates. Nice to see another Boro fan on the boards. Smoggy Parmo's in the house. :)
 
We are few and far between around here.

Still struggling to find the updates option on the main menu, is online registration necessary for me to access the DLCs?
 
i think so man.

Are you not signed up to the konami online thing?

What i would do is just try and play or get online and it should give you everything you need man.
 
klashman69 said:
So why is it then when i set players to man mark they stick tot he guy like glue almost? They stick too him way too much in fact! I'd say man marking works too well almost.

I didn't get any of that, sorry, but i don't think your using my method though.
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they stick to him yes, but sometimes they let him do what he wants
look more carefully
:p

and also write your method, so i can tell u if i do same
which wont make much diffrence coz i already dominating the cpu teams, so its not about defending anymore
its about control and when cpu decides to take it away from u(or your cpu players make weird stuff)
 
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It's difficult in the house I live in due to having a wireless connection, I'll just have to find a patch which updates it automatically. Cheers for the help guys.
 
Done with MLO. You reach a point and there's no longer any real incentive to put up with all the arseholes.

Will have a months break and then see if I can back into offline ML.
 
klashman69 said:
Nope, they stick to their man
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u dont understand it

klashman69 said:
I did, twice i think before in previous posts.
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alright so i read all your posts and cant find any special stuff that i dont already know

it just cant be that u and maybe 1-2 others here have a special version of the game then the rest of the world
u just dont see it, u dont want to see it
or u see it and deny it or something
end of it from my side, indeed useless
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fifa is boring, pes is only 2 scenarios: first one is dominating which is boring too in the long term, second is getting tricked by the game which is frustrating
on the old pes games i cant get the widescreen resolutions to work
im fuckd lol

any news on pes 012 yet ?
 
Bit of a random question but what game speed do people play on? I've recently altered from -2 to -1 and though the game seems a fair bit quicker, everything seems more responsive. This seems obvious given that movements etc will be slower on -2 compared to -1, but it definitely seems easier to dribble and shoot etc far more accurately since moving the speed up a notch. Somehow the power bar seems easier to manage, and players feel far less like you're trying to turn a boat. It might feel slightly too fast, but the games are much more absorbing.

Has anyone else noticed this? I'm beginning to wonder if the game was really adapted properly to play effectively on all speeds, which at the moment isn't a bad thing for me because I'm suddenly enjoying the game a lot more and playing far better attacking football......

Oh and Klashman, I'd recently upped the time of my games from 10 to 15 minutes, which made a difference, but 20 minute games seem to be the best. The game is just as hard to score, but the AI seems to hound you down less, it seems to also attack you more, and the games seem far more open and entertaining than my old games where I'd have no time on the ball, and the AI would sit back, cram the midfield and defence then look for a 50 yard through ball.

Seems to me that upping the game speed just a notch, and increasing the length of the game might give this a new lease of life.
 
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ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue said:
u dont understand it

alright so i read all your posts and cant find any special stuff that i dont already know

it just cant be that u and maybe 1-2 others here have a special version of the game then the rest of the world
u just dont see it, u dont want to see it
or u see it and deny it or something
end of it from my side, indeed useless
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fifa is boring, pes is only 2 scenarios: first one is dominating which is boring too in the long term, second is getting tricked by the game which is frustrating
on the old pes games i cant get the widescreen resolutions to work
im fuckd lol

any news on pes 012 yet ?
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Dude are you the guy who has been dominating the game but only creating 1 or 2 chances per game? I am new to PES coming over from FIFA and after a few hours on the demo I worked out how to attack better. I play mainly MLO and sometimes dominate possession against but can sometimes not have much of the ball. Either way I normally create chances to score. Even offline I find it a good challenge and balanced between being able to score or have some chances and also conceding chances or goals. Where on the pitch are you dominating possession? Do you move forward too quickly before your forwards are there and hence play the ball into space instead of into your forwards head or feet? I dont think anyone has a special version of the game. How are you trying to score? Or are you in fact shooting at all lol? I know my brother in law tries to walk the ball in all the time from 6 yards. Have a shot from outside the box! lol
 
last night i defeated the rank 1 player online (i mean almost, i was leading 1-0, 90th minute and he quir the game...
how unfair is that.. the rank 1 player is a quitter!!!. i was devastated, as it would have been some achievement for me, i wasnt awarded any points too. :( this is so bad.
and BTW that guy had chosen ML team with all the superstars.. he was AVALON!! have u guys played him!?
 
vivek1412 said:
last night i defeated the rank 1 player online (i mean almost, i was leading 1-0, 90th minute and he quir the game...
how unfair is that.. the rank 1 player is a quitter!!!. i was devastated, as it would have been some achievement for me, i wasnt awarded any points too. :( this is so bad.
and BTW that guy had chosen ML team with all the superstars.. he was AVALON!! have u guys played him!?
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sounds like a cry baby to me!
 
ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue said:
u dont understand it
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?? Man Marking has never let me down.

ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue said:
alright so i read all your posts and cant find any special stuff that i dont already know
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I'm convinced it's a translation issue, your not interperting what i'm saying

I was trying to say how if you set pressing to loose, you basically just leave your team to tackle automatically most of the time, (center backs, defensive midfielders etc..

Don't player switch when off the ball, just use that player your controlling and put him where you need him, stay with that guy until you win the ball back


it just cant be that u and maybe 1-2 others here have a special version of the game then the rest of the world

u just dont see it, u dont want to see it
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Like i said i played a few 25 minute games and these teams have constantly tried through balls and failed when you set your team up right!

or u see it and deny it or something
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No, you think your can't prevent those through balls goals from happening and you can with organization as well as other annoying common goals

fifa is boring, pes is only 2 scenarios: first one is dominating which is boring too in the long term, second is getting tricked by the game which is frustrating
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It's a video game at the end of the day, don't let moderate AI get the better of you! Thats what i think and that's why i don't get frustrated.

I love the AI in the game because i don't really expect and haven't ever witnessed true intelligence from football games and this game presents a lot of great stuff, it's annoying when people to dismiss they well programmed AI just on the odd 'random' bug. Not just that the game does so many this so when in terms of Ai and it's taking too much unfair critisisum for it's again 'random' mistakes.

For me random mistakes aren't nowhere near as poor and predictable fundamental exploitable ones which shows the game is poorly programmed!

But say the predictable, exploitable defenses in PES 6 is better with half the AI intelligence of PES 2011.

That's bizarre imo! When it comes to animations, it's got potential but player collisions are shit and deserve criticism, as with transitions but AI? It's great!
 
CalcioCalabrese said:
Dude are you the guy who has been dominating the game but only creating 1 or 2 chances per game? I am new to PES coming over from FIFA and after a few hours on the demo I worked out how to attack better. I play mainly MLO and sometimes dominate possession against but can sometimes not have much of the ball. Either way I normally create chances to score. Even offline I find it a good challenge and balanced between being able to score or have some chances and also conceding chances or goals. Where on the pitch are you dominating possession? Do you move forward too quickly before your forwards are there and hence play the ball into space instead of into your forwards head or feet? I dont think anyone has a special version of the game. How are you trying to score? Or are you in fact shooting at all lol? I know my brother in law tries to walk the ball in all the time from 6 yards. Have a shot from outside the box! lol
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so i dont know what your points are exactly but i havent played MLO and i create a lot of chances and score goals often, unlike my opponents off-online

also i dont make any mistakes in the build up play or anything,i read gaal and other books about tactik and i never saw any guy that is on par with my tactical knowledge and understanding of the pes controls online
some mates from previous games only play the game coz of me coz its fun to play and looks easy on my side

i think i just overplayed it

@klash
i dont press, i wrote that i combine all that methods and can choose the best for a situation, thats exactly the post that u dont got and said u cant read that :p

also i cant play 20 or 25 mins online, so thats maybe the thing you are lucky about and dont get all stuff i talked about

and again no through ball problems, never wrote that

about the last part of your posting, yes, this wud be the case if a defender just is in a wrong position or is getting outmuscled or something
but not if his position is perfect and then suddenly the ai decides to move him like a marionette exactly that way so the striker can get the ball, this is not random mistakes like rl thats something different
 
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ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue said:
@klash
i dont press, i wrote that i combine all that methods and can choose the best for a situation, thats exactly the post that u dont got and said u cant read that :p
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Nah you didn't mention you used th methods i suggested before

also i cant play 20 or 25 mins online, so thats maybe the thing you are lucky about and dont get all stuff i talked about

and again no through ball problems, never wrote that
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I could have sworn we where talking about the CPU cheating

TBH I'm lost with this debate now as you seem to keep changing your point, so I'm going to leave it at that.
 
i never changed my point lol

u never wrote any special methods that i dont already use, so there is no need to mention it

cpu cheating is not the same as through balls, whatever u mean by that i never had any problems to defend them(wrote that several times)
 
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