PES 2011 Discussion thread

CalcioCalabrese said:
Yeah that's what I meant. Toggling through player select with L1. Not a perfect science but if the AI wont pick my player...I have to try it. I know what you mean about manual or unassisted, whichever setting it is. The one I thought would give me total freedom (which is the slogan this year) was playing half of the game for me lol. If someone can help with which setting works best for manually selecting your players please chime in now... ;)
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Semi Assisted works the best but the CPU will choose your player for D esp on opposing goal kicks and free kicks. Next year how about they do a true manual setting.
 
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Semi Assisted works the best but the CPU will choose your player for D esp on opposing goal kicks and free kicks. Next year how about they do a true manual setting.
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Thanks mate. And we can choose semi for online play? I will check my options again tonight. Ideally the right stick selection from FIFA would be a very welcome addition for most PES players.

Not sure if anyone has tried this but if you play with a language other than English, do those in game messages like "Nice shot!" display in that other language or does everyone from Europe understand it in English haha ?
 
I tried switching between semi and assisted last night, really couldn't see any difference between the two. You still have the cursor auto switched on both settings, and L1 still manually switches players (in a kind of L1 player switch lottery). Is there really any difference?
 
There is a massive difference. The cursor switches automatically when your in your opponents half, but only switches when your defending when you choose to switch. The benefit is when defending, you can track runners or a potential killer pass by being fully in control of one defender. You can then apply second man pressure to make the CPU AI close down the ball-carrier whilst you anticipate the pass. So much more control of everything thats going on around you. It lets you read the game like you would in real-life, without the CPU automatically switching to your player closest to the ball.
 
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LTFC said:
Speaking of this, is there a proper 'manual' player select option? The control options have a 'manual' setting but it's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. It's the total opposite of manual, the AI basically plays the whole game for you (unless you can occasionally get control of the game yourself). Why on earth does manual do this??
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Konami's Manual setting means that you have to do L1-switching when defending and when attacking. When you're in possession and if you pass the ball to your teammate, cursor won't automatically switch - if you want to control the player receiving the pass, you have to press L1 to switch to him. If for some reason you still want to control the player who made the pass, you don't press L1.

That's 'manual' in 2011. Is it really usefull or not, that is the question ...
 
CalcioCalabrese said:
Well said - now these minor tweaks are the things that should be brought to Konami's attention rather than people just making wild accusations of the game being unplayable and the like. If they could see the issues in the video and the rationale behind why its not quite working as it should be, then maybe they can improve it. I'd love to see that ahead of extra game modes or even licences for that matter. Oh...and right stick for player selection :)
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Absolutely
 
zlac said:
Konami's Manual setting means that you have to do L1-switching when defending and when attacking. When you're in possession and if you pass the ball to your teammate, cursor won't automatically switch - if you want to control the player receiving the pass, you have to press L1 to switch to him. If for some reason you still want to control the player who made the pass, you don't press L1.

That's 'manual' in 2011. Is it really usefull or not, that is the question ...
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Konami have really failed when it came to explaining how the game works, really failed big time! The manual never really tells you anything apart from the essentials but wheres the videos explain how dribbling, tactics etc.. work, player runs etc..
 
Chimps-with-quiffs said:
Me and Goalgerd will be putting a new file out soon for the PS3 and urge everyone to try it.

I have re-editing the player stats of most of the teams and now have the game playing with following improvements -

Opposition now have lot more possesion
Game speed more realistic as passing speed has been reduced
Harder more realistic games between all teams
Increased fluidity and response
All club teams give more enjoyable game play for both using them or against
Forwards at lower level teams improved
Attackers stay ahead of slower defenders
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Cool

Did you give everybody Barcelona like tactics? Like the ones in the tactics thread i set up? Btw what the suggested time for your gameplay, offline I'm playing 25/30 minutes and even on default tactics the AI keep the ball much better than they do on 10 minutes for example.
 
The thing that makes manual player switch unusable is the fact AI is more likely to take control even if you do switch correctly, it can also take over from time to time as if its trying to get possession back for you. Semi assist comes closest to the last gen system. Part of the cursor problems are there on purpose as part of a balancing act in my opinion.
 
Chimps-with-quiffs said:
Increased their aggression and teamwork a bit more, but I have also edited a lot of other stats to go with this. Short passing speed plays a big part, especially if your own team has high stats in this as it will meen your players are in more space.

With very good teams if most players have aggression and teamwork in the mid to high eighties they keep the ball more and work harder to get it back. Since the game play patch konami did, this seems to work better and doesnt lead to them just chasing after the ball and leaving gaps.

I will put just the edit file up if anyone wants to try it before we release. If you back up your current edit file and then swap them, you can swap them back to go back to your old one easily.
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Chimps - can I get the edit please.
 
with the patch I felt the player switching had been bettered, not fixed, but certainly moved in the right direction. But there are these odd spells where the game goes nuts with it, I lost a game because of this not long ago, conceded 2 goals after absurd player switching, and these were pretty much the only chances the cpu got. Then I can play a long spell of games where it feels just fine.
 
klashman69 said:
Konami have really failed when it came to explaining how the game works, really failed big time! The manual never really tells you anything apart from the essentials but wheres the videos explain how dribbling, tactics etc.. work, player runs etc..
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Totally agree. Given this was such a step away from the previous game, you'd think that Konami would have done what EA did and release those tutorial videos over the net as well as in-game. Not only does it help people understand the game, it's also advertising the game to prospective customers. Showing a video highlighting all the cool stuff you can do, and how to do it, from the basics up, will do no harm to sales whatsoever.

Konami's marketing department are odd at best. First, there are no videos like EA do, then when the trailers hit the internet they chose to market the game to European customers with some bizarre form of Japanese Jazz music.....

Oh, and Jimmy, I just tried semi-assisted and yeah you're right, it does exactly what you say. I'd not used it enough to have noticed to be honest, but it does allow you to control a defender and put him in a position where he can cut out the through ball, or often put off the AI altogether from trying the pass. I've taken the semi-assisted advice, as well as Klashman's advice about setting the defence up to loose pressure and really compact, and I've not conceded a single goal from a through ball. In fact, the AI has barely even tried it.

I've also noticed while tinkering around with the settings tonight that I'm having a lot more success with getting my players in the box when I change my team's attacking mentality to 'central attack' rather than 'wide'. Players seem to really push through into the box, however you have to compensate by either putting your wingers further wide than normal or else they'll tuck inside too much, leaving your full backs with little passing options other than to turn back inside, which isn't good. So far though, using this tactic, I'm scoring a lot more goals than normal. I've also realised that I can shoot a LOT better on broadcast camera than I can on Normal Long. Not sure why....
 
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klashman69 said:
Cool

Did you give everybody Barcelona like tactics? Like the ones in the tactics thread i set up? Btw what the suggested time for your gameplay, offline I'm playing 25/30 minutes and even on default tactics the AI keep the ball much better than they do on 10 minutes for example.
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Each team has different tactics, but having the game difficulty hard enough is not a problem. Started my first master league today and set it to Top Player and played about 10 games with Porto. I have drawn 1 league game and won and drawn 2 cup games and lost the rest.

I set the league up so that there is quality teams from a round the world in my division so I am playing tough games - lost 4-1 to Man U, 3-1 Man City, 2-0 Valencia, 1-0 Lazio and 2-0 Dortmund. I am still experimenting with my formation and I am sure the games are getting closer, but its a challange
 
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I set the league up so that there is quality teams from a round the world in my division so I am playing tough games - lost 4-1 to Man U, 3-1 Man City, 2-0 Valencia, 1-0 Lazio and 2-0 Dortmund. I am still experimenting with my formation and I am sure the games are getting closer, but its a challange
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I was thinking of setting up an offline master league with a best of league as well. What happens though when it comes to qualifying for European competitions if you have taken the normal qualifiers from other leagues and put them in your league. Does that mean the middle tiered teams from the other leagues would be qualifying for Champs league and Europa? I hope my question makes sense lol.

By editing league structure, is it then possible to create a 2nd division also containing mixed teams from around the world? So I might have a Div 1 with the top teams from Italy, England, Spain, Germany, France and then Div 2 with mid to low tier teams from those countries or elsewhere? Or do people think its best to just pick one country and aim to make European comps so you can play those other teams there?

Also, is South America included in Master League or can you only play Copa Libertadores as a separate game mode. Think I have seen this asked and answered before but I couldn't remember where sorry guys.
 
Have not been able to get a decent lag free game since that server maintenance announcement, which was a while ago. MLO just isn't playable against thedream team types or the high pressure, high line types. I can't be clever on the ball, the first touch goes out of the window, Messi gets a free run all the time because I can't track his runs... I wish it was PESitis, because then I could do something about it.
 
I had a four day break from PES, which was forced due to work commitments. I fired the game up last night and played some of the most ridiculous football I have played yet on this game. I was a completely different player, super composed with an extremely creative mind. My PES-itus is cured. Thank fuck. :)
 
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romagnoli said:
Have not been able to get a decent lag free game since that server maintenance announcement, which was a while ago. MLO just isn't playable against thedream team types or the high pressure, high line types. I can't be clever on the ball, the first touch goes out of the window, Messi gets a free run all the time because I can't track his runs... I wish it was PESitis, because then I could do something about it.
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Yesterday Online in general was completely unplayable! All sorts of lag issues destroying the game!

Will this maintenance thing finally sort out that red bar connection problem?
 
Jimmy G-Force said:
I had a four day break from PES, which was forced due to work commitments. I fired the game up last night and played some of the most ridiculous football I have played yet on this game. I was a completely different player, super composed with my extremely creative mind. My PES-itus is cured. Thank fuck. :)
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For me, the game feel completely different after a break from it - I think it may be that I tend to notice the little realistic touches and take advantage of the subtle things more (like R2 first touches) :).

After a few games, although I still enjoy the game, I kind of get into a groove/rhythm of playing in a "safe", mechanical way (hard to explain) and it feels much more like a video game than a football match.

I regularly take breaks from the game, I only play PES 2 or 3 times a week now in 1 or 2 hour sessions, and that's nothing against the game, just that you can have too much of a good thing.
 
I agree Rob. I was banging my head against a brick wall, I knew what I was doing wrong, but couldnt seem to stop it. The more I tried, the worse my game become. A 4 day break and it was like the 4-5 days of frustration prior never happened. Very strange.
 
Rob92 said:
After a few games, although I still enjoy the game, I kind of get into a groove/rhythm of playing in a "safe", mechanical way (hard to explain) and it feels much more like a video game than a football match.
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Yep, agree 100%. This doesn't usually happen to me over the course of one night, but it does happen if I don't have a few days off sometimes.

Nothing like the feeling of taking a break, then watching the full 90 minutes of a real match, feeling inspired, sticking PES back on again and starting a nice long session. When you feel everything start to click back into place, fresh and free again, and you regain that sense of possibility, all the stuff you can try... that's when the best football comes out, I reckon.

My theory is that even if you took the best PES player and made them play continually for a really long time, by the end they'd be playing like a zombie, running around at 100mph, spamming through balls, charging into stupid tackles, shooting randomly from 30 yards. Maybe winning games, but playing lousy unrealistic football. It's just what happens when you lose the sharpness - you slip into this kind of daze and just start working the game instead of expressing yourself.
 
Played FIFA yesterday for the first time in a while after playing PES exclusively for the past couple months and I'm almost straight back to PES. Such a better game, hard to explain why or how. I guess the word 'freedom' is the correct one. If only MLO wasn't such a shitfest.
 
CalcioCalabrese said:
I was thinking of setting up an offline master league with a best of league as well. What happens though when it comes to qualifying for European competitions if you have taken the normal qualifiers from other leagues and put them in your league. Does that mean the middle tiered teams from the other leagues would be qualifying for Champs league and Europa? I hope my question makes sense lol.

By editing league structure, is it then possible to create a 2nd division also containing mixed teams from around the world? So I might have a Div 1 with the top teams from Italy, England, Spain, Germany, France and then Div 2 with mid to low tier teams from those countries or elsewhere? Or do people think its best to just pick one country and aim to make European comps so you can play those other teams there?

Also, is South America included in Master League or can you only play Copa Libertadores as a separate game mode. Think I have seen this asked and answered before but I couldn't remember where sorry guys.
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This isnt how our option file league structure will be.

But for my own master league I do it in a way that each league is kept strong, but teams I like playing are put in my league. That way the champions league is kept interesting.

The structure I have used for my master league with Porto is that my division includes - Barca, AC, Inter, Arsenal, Stuttgart, Roma, Dortmund, Valencia, Lazio, Man Utd, Man City, Sporting, Deportivo, Newcastle, Tottenham, Boca...Doing it like this makes each game significant and the league a lot harder to win as their is normally 2, 3 or 4 teams that will challange for the title and breaking into this group can take a few seasons on Top Player with my edited game play

The English league still has most of the English teams including Liverpool and Chelsea, but they are joined by Benfica, Panathanikos, Braga, Anderlecht, CSKA Moscow and some others

Italian league has all the other Italian teams, but joined by B. Munich, Olympiacos, Wolfsburg, Bremen

Spanish league still has teams like Real, Atletico, Deportivo and Villarreal, but also joined with teams like River Plate, Internacional and some of the stronger other teams

The French and Dutch leagues cannot be edited (I think, if anyone knows how to unlock them can the let me know) This means that teams like Ajax, Feynoord, PSV, Lyon, PSG and Marseille will qualify from those leagues

I think the 2nd division is the teams you created in the edited league, so in my case these are championship, Scottish and the remaining German teams, though I am thinking of changing tis

I find that doing the leagues like this adds to how long it takes you to win the master league and then champions league. With the opposition playing better after my game play changes along with every game being against quality opposition, it might take me up to about 5 to 8 seasons to win everything instead of doing it all in 2. The game is also harder as for the first couple of seasons you might struggle to get into the top part 5 teams in the league and so you will not be able to buy many star players, instead you need to buy carefully and build a team
 
Chimps-with-quiffs said:
This isnt how our option file league structure will be.

But for my own master league I do it in a way that each league is kept strong, but teams I like playing are put in my league. That way the champions league is kept interesting.

The structure I have used for my master league with Porto is that my division includes - Barca, AC, Inter, Arsenal, Stuttgart, Roma, Dortmund, Valencia, Lazio, Man Utd, Man City, Sporting, Deportivo, Newcastle, Tottenham, Boca...Doing it like this makes each game significant and the league a lot harder to win as their is normally 2, 3 or 4 teams that will challange for the title and breaking into this group can take a few seasons on Top Player with my edited game play

The English league still has most of the English teams including Liverpool and Chelsea, but they are joined by Benfica, Panathanikos, Braga, Anderlecht, CSKA Moscow and some others

Italian league has all the other Italian teams, but joined by B. Munich, Olympiacos, Wolfsburg, Bremen

Spanish league still has teams like Real, Atletico, Deportivo and Villarreal, but also joined with teams like River Plate, Internacional and some of the stronger other teams

The French and Dutch leagues cannot be edited (I think, if anyone knows how to unlock them can the let me know) This means that teams like Ajax, Feynoord, PSV, Lyon, PSG and Marseille will qualify from those leagues

I think the 2nd division is the teams you created in the edited league, so in my case these are championship, Scottish and the remaining German teams, though I am thinking of changing tis

I find that doing the leagues like this adds to how long it takes you to win the master league and then champions league. With the opposition playing better after my game play changes along with every game being against quality opposition, it might take me up to about 5 to 8 seasons to win everything instead of doing it all in 2. The game is also harder as for the first couple of seasons you might struggle to get into the top part 5 teams in the league and so you will not be able to buy many star players, instead you need to buy carefully and build a team
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Cool thanks for the info. Im on xbox not PS3 but will look at starting an offline ML once january transfers are finished.
 
No. Online is complete, utter SHIT. Not having it anymore. It's laggy as hell and that's the last thing I need as a team of lightweight, technical players who aren't rated high enough to have free rides on everything.

One cnut, the type who celebrates goals as much as possible, spamming messages, was able to put his pad down and just let the game play for 30 minutes of the second half. He had more physical players and clearly had his side set up to press and pack the place out. It was amazing how the defensive rubber banding, the automatic sprint pressuring etc made it arguably more difficult than when playing against someone. Reminds me of the FIFA 11 vid knocking about showing how automated the defending is.

That and the clear scripting in the passing and the shooting (passes are deliberately misdirected to give the ball to defensively good players while the same happens for good keepers), the lack of a service to report exploiters (none of you could name anything when I mentioned one back just before the servers fucked me over) and the fact the online connections have been utter shit for about a week or more now, has completely screwed over my opinion of this game.

I've always seen it as an 8/10 with 7/10 and 9/10 moments, even during previous lows. But that eye opening game and the preceding 20 or 30 lag infested, tackle abusing, 4-3-3 thump it forwards to Ronaldo formations and the passing which now starts to match FIFA 10 for ping pong uber-accuracy, have made that position untenable. For me, right now it's a 7ish/10 with 9/10 moments and 4/10 moments.

October can't come soon enough.
 
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Someone's had a bad week at the office. Thankfully I'm not having these lag issues of which you speak, quite the contrary actually. As for trying to play against someone who has put his pad down, I find it harder to score against than someone who has hold of it. What the fuck is that all about ? :CONFUSE:

I must admit I'm playing less and less MLO now, I just prefer going to 08/03 and playing the chaps from PEEL in proper 15 minute friendlies. No spamming, no cheap play, no superstar players, and best of all, the banter and respect from your friends and peers you speak to on a weekly basis. I'm not banging the drum again here, just stating how it is and the obvious differential.
 
Again, ever since the last server fix announcement it's just been a horrible mess for me. No idea what has happened, but it has pretty much been every single match with one or two exceptions. I'm facing ever longer waits for games to be found and when I do play it invariably sees me having that sluggish and/or juddery online experience that renders the likes of Nene and Modric barely any better on the ball than Dunne or De Jong. Usually it sorts itself out after a while, but no.

I would say it's Virgin Media if I was having the same problem with other games, but I haven't. I appreciate some people might not be having these problems - but what I really need is to know how to stop ME having them! What do I do when DMZs and port forwarding doesn't work and the PS3 is the only thing online? Who do I contact to try and get my problem sorted? What steps do I take to unfuck the situation? I've asked these things here before, as have others, but I've yet to see any suggestions beyond portforward.com.

These forums could do with a sticky offering a connection and lagswitch-reporting FAQ.
 
I wish I knew how to help Rom, I really do. Your best bet would be to mail Bullstein over at PEEL, he is the expert on PES and connection issues. There is nothing he doesnt know, he's been through it all and he has given many members tips that have sorted their own issues.

Talking about Nene, he only scored a 38 meter FK bending away into the top bag. 3/4 power, push forward for extra zip, then bent right with dip. It was absolutely outrageous. The only problem was that I conceded a late winner in the same game, then in my frustration and anger, clicked out of the room at the end of the game before saving the goal. Double whammey. I really wanted that goal on video as well, easily the best FK I've scored yet on PES 2011, and I've notched my fair few. It was textbook. Sadly, all I have now is the memory ................
 
romagnoli said:
No. Online is complete, utter SHIT. Not having it anymore. It's laggy as hell and that's the last thing I need as a team of lightweight, technical players who aren't rated high enough to have free rides on everything.
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I know, i stopped last Thursday since the servers are clearly fucked! it's a through ball fest atm!

Brings the worst out of the game atm online.

Anyway I'm happily serving up pipping hot ass kicking to my flatmates :WORSHIP:
 
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