PES 2011 Discussion thread

Jamezinho said:
Don't get me wrong, PES6 on the 360 is hardly a classic but compared to what followed it was a very decent game in retrospect. I played it almost entirely online (in an online league setup similar to PEEL) and it played a very solid game of football with no major flaws. The online mode was very consistent with no big issues, which again makes you wonder where it all went wrong in subsequent games. The AI was not great but then again I don't think it was any worse than we have in the current football games.
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Honestly playing online about 4 months ago i found it unreal how every team plays 4-2-4, usually as Brazil or Inter. I used to get annoyed because all they did was counter or pass to the wing run to the line and pass it into the box for an easy tap in. I think the lacklustre defence, and as Klash said, the AI awareness/positioning was a pretty major flaw in the game especially in situations like the above.

However if you played against decent people who didn't pick the best teams and didn't always pick 4-2-4 the game played pretty well and online had no problems beside a bit of slowdown during the goalkeepers run up when taking a goal kick and sometimes when there was too many players in the box.

LTFC said:
Northzzz is your PS3 backwards compatible then? I seem to recall being able to use option files on PES6 when I first got my PS3 before my backwards compatible one broke down out of warranty :( Anyways I think you can do it, try placing it in the PS2 virtual memory card space in your PS3.)
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I don't have one at the moment but i'm going to buy a 60gb fat PS3. I hope it works because i hear good things about the ps2 versions of 2010 and 2011.

klashman69 said:
In the Copa Libertadores with Montivideo i conceded goal exactly like this:
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There's nothing unrealistic about those goals but when the players aren't in the box to put the keeper off then it looks bad. Can i assume that they weren't crowding box but more kind of hanging on the edge of it?

I can't get my head around why the players positioning for wide/long free kicks is so bad. I really don't think Konami are stupid enough to think that it's realistic where the players stand and that everything is fine. There had to be some kind of problem that meant it was a fix at the last minute to move the players away from the box i.e something with the goalkeepers having incorrect reactions or something.

I know a lot of people have a problem with this but it's really baffling as to why the issue exists in the first place.
 
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Jimmy G-Force said:
I rarely at all get this issue against me, mainly because I'm always in full control of my defensive game by playing on Semi-Assisted.
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Don't get me wrong, my defence is pretty good now (since the cursor update). I have the best defence in the league. However, on occasion that thing does happen and it's really irritating to concede like that. And you just know as it happens before your eyes, that it's a goal, lol. I don't mind being beaten fair and square.
 
i cant even play a normal league top player 15 mins
playd like 7 games and all goals i conceaded, all are ai cheated

so how is that then ?
what is that


if u dont experience that well u just cant see it or just lie to yourself

or maybe u have another game than almost everyone here :JAY:


@jimmy
 
ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue said:
i cant even play a normal league top player 15 mins
playd like 7 games and all goals i conceaded, all are ai cheated
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But like i said, you can prevent them from scoring through good defending man! They don't score those goals against me when i organize my defense :)

Every football game it's the same thing, what do you expect, look how many advantages you have over the CPU. I mean things like Manual passing, link feints, drag backs, feints, the fact you can play how you want, and plays to your players exact streagnths.

Fluid tactics,

The CPU just performs whats it's being programmed to do! It can't actually 'see' the field like humans can, it hasn't got any sort of true inspiration and creativity, it just reacts to what it's programmed to perform!

You expect it to cheat, Every football is exactly the same and will be until a super computer chip is released!
 
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Despite the scripting making me feel physically sick:SHOCK:, I fucking love this game, I've played it non stop for two months yet there is more to discover. ML offline is better than ever.

The inconsistent refs get right on my tits though.
 
ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue said:
i cant even play a normal league top player 15 mins
playd like 7 games and all goals i conceaded, all are ai cheated

so how is that then ?
what is that


if u dont experience that well u just cant see it or just lie to yourself

or maybe u have another game than almost everyone here :JAY:


@jimmy
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I just take a loss like a man, and dont look for excuses. How often in real life can you honestly say you get what you deserve in football ? It's the only sport in the world you can dominate and still get beat.

I feel empathy for those who feel like they have been cheated, I dont. To me it sounds like sour grapes, it really does.

playd like 7 games and all goals i conceaded, all are ai cheated
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That says everything. I refuse to discuss this anymore with you, it's pointless.
 
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ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue said:
i cant even play a normal league top player 15 mins
playd like 7 games and all goals i conceaded, all are ai cheated

so how is that then ?
what is that


if u dont experience that well u just cant see it or just lie to yourself

or maybe u have another game than almost everyone here :JAY:


@jimmy
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ALL the goals you conceded in your SEVEN games were AI cheating?

C'mon now... :LOL:
 
This will be my last complaint about the game, I'm sure everyone's tired of hearing it now, and sorry to keep posting videos but it seems like the easiest way to show what I'm complaining about in an effort to be constructive in my criticism.

I don't think the game cheats as such, it's just bugged. Like this incident, where Pato passes inside to Pirlo, he controls the ball just fine, goes to turn, then the game just took all control of him away from me and made him 'slide' across the pitch away from the ball, like he was cowering from the onrushing defenders. The AI just runs in and takes the ball.

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I mean, seriously, what is this? I posted those complaints last night, then having read people on here I yet again decide to give the game another chance, and my very first match it does this. What is it? An animation gone wrong? Either way, a promising attack broke down because of what looked like a massive bug to me, just like the bug in the first video I posted where my keeper ignored the ball rolling into the net, and the other video where the ref penalised Arshavin for being smacked in the back of the leg. Fair enough, this Pirlo video was a small incident in the game overall, but I seem to find what I think are bugs literally all over the place. It's becoming impossible to overlook.
 
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anyone find the CPU offside trap unrealistic?

the way they push up the field is insane and they go far to high its ridiculous, plus your players never follow. Sometime you work the ball in their final third and as soon as you drop the ball back a little they push up as high as the mid way line which is pretty ridiculous and unrealistic, I mean even a top confident club doesnt push their backline that up. Also the fact that every team push their line up is annoying, its obviously scripted since even tough you set your slider so they stay back the cpu will push up very high.

I enjoy the game but sometime its just feel like playing a unfinished game or like your playing the first build.
 
lazyForken said:
anyone find the CPU offside trap unrealistic?

the way they push up the field is insane and they go far to high its ridiculous, plus your players never follow. Sometime you work the ball in their final third and as soon as you drop the ball back a little they push up as high as the mid way line which is pretty ridiculous and unrealistic, I mean even a top confident club doesnt push their backline that up. Also the fact that every team push their line up is annoying, its obviously scripted since even tough you set your slider so they stay back the cpu will push up very high.

I enjoy the game but sometime its just feel like playing a unfinished game or like your playing the first build.
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You mean the Select button on the fly tactic?
 
lazyForken said:
Nah I mean when your playing against the CPU, the way they push up the field to put your players offsides
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Oh sorry about that

Nah, not sure about the lack of realism with the CPU defensive lines. so many teams play such different football i can't categorize or give a statement on their defensive lines in general, i mean, with he default tactics they tend to sit back.


BTW how good do you think Konami will rate Edin Dzeko after the update, and he better have a face :RANT: !!!
 
He's already rated quite well, and I've been trying to acquire him in my MLO, but I've got no money. Surely his shooting stats won't be any higher, he's already a great shot by the looks of it.
 
klashman69 said:
But like i said, you can prevent them from scoring through good defending man! They don't score those goals against me when i organize my defense :)
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no, just no

i see it coming like 10 sec before the goal actually is scored

like ref is not whistling for their foul now they have the ball
then a ping pong situation and some weird defender jerking struggling to a direction suddenly and boom theyre in front my goal i let the keeper go out but he suddenly stops or just let the ball pass him by easily

it has nothing to do with organisation or anything, as u said cpu need to score goals somehow
thats the point
somehow
but pls not like that


Jimmy G-Force said:
That says everything. I refuse to discuss this anymore with you, it's pointless.
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indeed, pointless

a true fanboy

im not here to convince people
and why shud i lie or anything
..
 
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klashman69 said:
Oh sorry about that

Nah, not sure about the lack of realism with the CPU defensive lines. so many teams play such different football i can't categorize or give a statement on their defensive lines in general, i mean, with he default tactics they tend to sit back.


BTW how good do you think Konami will rate Edin Dzeko after the update, and he better have a face :RANT: !!!
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He's already a have good rating... but for me its impossible to acquire him in the ML, Wolfsburg wont let him go. =p
 
I hope Beckham is added to Spurs for the update, such a shame we've been unable to control him on PES 2011...

It still amazes me how much I enjoy this game, probably as much as the first few days I had on it, maybe more so...
 
Oh wow, for once I am jealous of the spuds. What a signing. Everybody better save your cash on MLO for the winter transfer update, it could be an opportunity to short sell Becks.
 
I haven't checked but is Beckham not available in ML? I don't know if it's just my option file, but he's in my England squad, perfectly created face and everything.

Speaking of which, has anyone ever tried putting themselves into the Be A Pro mode, or just the game in general? I've tried using the face import thing but I come out looking like half my face has been flattened with a rolling pin. Not a good look.......:SHOCK:
 
ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue said:
no, just no

i see it coming like 10 sec before the goal actually is scored

it has nothing to do with organisation or anything, as u said cpu need to score goals somehow
thats the point
somehow
but pls not like that
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Ok, i played this Copa Libertadores match twice since i was 3-0 down after 25 minutes and there wasn't much point in finishing since i was out and i had to re load.

Now, two of the three goals they scored where from those through balls you speak off.

Now i realized in that match i didn't organize the team styles.

When i reloaded, i organized the team styles to how i wanted. EVERY through ball they tired failed. I won 1-0 and they didn't even have a shot in the secound half despite having pretty much all the play!

Yes, organization prevent those goals man!



like ref is not whistling for their foul now they have the ball
then a ping pong situation and some weird defender jerking struggling to a direction suddenly and boom theyre in front my goal i let the keeper go out but he suddenly stops or just let the ball pass him by easily
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That's what I'm talking about with the organization, your defense dosen't have to fall apart like that. Setting up team styles is a skill, as much as making a great slide tackle! The depth in terms of what you can do is THAT deep, only things i can't prevent is those fucking free kicks and every now and again just like in real life, those wonder volleys (not bicycle or scissors)

indeed, pointless

a true fanboy

im not here to convince people
and why shud i lie or anything
..
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Also he's right in his point imo. I also have never or rarely felt PES 2011 cheated to the point it was unplayable. Only ONCE has the game lost it's value and that was when they scored the same fucking free kick for 2 games running, then again, i didn't really play that well in either game. Also remember like i said, look how many advantages you have over the CPU.
 
ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue said:
no, just no

i see it coming like 10 sec before the goal actually is scored

like ref is not whistling for their foul now they have the ball
then a ping pong situation and some weird defender jerking struggling to a direction suddenly and boom theyre in front my goal i let the keeper go out but he suddenly stops or just let the ball pass him by easily

it has nothing to do with organisation or anything, as u said cpu need to score goals somehow
thats the point
somehow
but pls not like that




indeed, pointless

a true fanboy

im not here to convince people
and why shud i lie or anything
..
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Fanman, if you'd do me the courtesy. ;)
 
tc811 said:
Oh wow, for once I am jealous of the spuds. What a signing.
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Is this sarcasm?

I can't see how Beckham would do anything other than fuck up Spurs' gameplan, which is basically to move the ball as quickly as possible (or in the case of the wingers, move themselves with the ball as quickly as possible).
 
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I'd say that Beckham would be a good signing, he'll be a great influence off the pitch and a useful player to have. He can move the ball quickly and accurately instead of beating players with pace, plus his crosses into the box are still better than anyone.

As for Pes, wow I'm so up and down with this game. In my ML I didn't win for 5 games then whacked a team 7-0......at least there were no bizarre 'Pirlo shuffles' going on though.
 
LTFC said:
I'd say that Beckham would be a good signing, he'll be a great influence off the pitch and a useful player to have. He can move the ball quickly and accurately instead of beating players with pace, plus his crosses into the box are still better than anyone.

As for Pes, wow I'm so up and down with this game. In my ML I didn't win for 5 games then whacked a team 7-0......at least there were no bizarre 'Pirlo shuffles' going on though.
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When you win, i think you should get up and do the Pirlo Shuffle to celebrate :BOP:
 
I don't really see what Beckham has to offer Spurs, or any decent club in the Premier League for that matter. The pace and power of the Premier League has passed him by since he last played in England. Sure he can pick out a great pass or cross, but he's going to get even less time on the ball than when he was at United, and he's never had any pace or the ability to take on a player. Now he's 35 I just don't think he's up to it.

I don't even buy the argument that he's good to have around the club. He had that motivational role for England at the world cup and couldn't stop the team fractures and ensuing train-wreck that happened there.

But to Bring it back on topic I would love to see him back in PES2011. He's a great player to practice free-kicks with in the training mode.
 
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