PES 2011 Discussion thread

I'm finding it much more difficult to evade pressuring now, almost as bad as FIFA now in this regard.

May just be me playing poorly...
 
That online or offline? I honestly feel dribbling is much more effective now after the patch, I'm literally forced to chop down Arshavin and Messi now as I know they're almost impossible to stop when they're off. And I've had a lot more success my end as well, on occasions Jovetic has managed to weave through stupid numbers of defenders.

I remember the first few weeks of playing I had to resorted to spanking the ball about as I'd lose it almost immediately after a first touch, but I think the improved connection has played a massive part as well.
 
dannyfc2 said:
That online or offline? I honestly feel dribbling is much more effective now after the patch, I'm literally forced to chop down Arshavin and Messi now as I know they're almost impossible to stop when they're off. And I've had a lot more success my end as well, on occasions Jovetic has managed to weave through stupid numbers of defenders.

I remember the first few weeks of playing I had to resorted to spanking the ball about as I'd lose it almost immediately after a first touch, but I think the improved connection has played a massive part as well.
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Online in MLO, finding it almost impossible to play against anyone who sprints and holds the secondary pressure button with remotely good/fast/strong players.

It's not just dribbling, it's in general - passing, first touch, ball control are all failing me.

I'll try some regular ranked matches instead and see how it goes...
 
Two-man pressure is hard to deal with Rob. I reduce my Compactness, move to a 3-5-2 formation, then look to switch play wide to the flanks where there is usually acres of space.
 
Cheers Jimmy, will have to try something like that next time :TU:.

Been losing a lot more games than usual since the patch, but just got a sweet 2-0 win over Real with Sunderland, the first goal a ridiculously powerful 30 yard low drive by Asamoah Gyan, will upload it soon.
 
mfmaxpower said:
God I wish there was an option to turn off the ridiculous acrobatic volleys. Really Konami, Heskey?
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In the situation in my video though, the overhead kick is appropriate given how the ball sits up so I don't think the frequency of them is the issue here, and it was a true overhead kick, not the sideways scissor volley that is unnecessary most of the time.

It would actually be fairly realistic were it by a skilful and agile player, the way it was chested up was nice, but I agree that it's outrageous for Heskey to score such a goal, but it's probably to do with is attributes being too high rather than the actual gameplay engine being at fault - I never scored a goal like that with Hamsun, Ordaz, Gutierrez or Castolo (default strikers) for example.
 
Lami said:
You've only just joined and this is your first post.
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Yes this is my first post, I don't normally bother but I was absolutely appalled by the update so decided to try to get my view heard. I didn't think it would matter if it was my first time posting or my 100,000th surely the opinion still counts.

The v1.02 update ruins the whole concept of PES 11. Total Freedom...gone...
 
mfmaxpower said:
God I wish there was an option to turn off the ridiculous acrobatic volleys. Really Konami, Heskey?
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Stop pressing shoot whilst the ball is chest height and for the most part it won't happen. Timing is everything.
I appreciate Heskey shouldn't be pulling off that type of shot but let's be realistic here, 100% player individuality is years away from now. Be thankful for the individualism we have right now as only Konami are coming anywhere close. End of.
 
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strioy85 said:
Yes this is my first post, I don't normally bother but I was absolutely appalled by the update so decided to try to get my view heard. I didn't think it would matter if it was my first time posting or my 100,000th surely the opinion still counts.

The v1.02 update ruins the whole concept of PES 11. Total Freedom...gone...
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I've hardly noticed any differences apart from the shooting tbh. You're making it sound like it's a totally different game now.
 
Jimmy G-Force said:
Stop pressing shoot whilst the ball is chest height and for the most part it won't happen. Timing is everything.
I appreciate Heskey shouldn't be pulling off that type of shot but let's be realistic here, 100% player individuality is years away from now. Be thankful for the individualism we have right now as only Konami are coming anywhere close. End of.
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Konami doesn't get a pass just because they do a solid job overall with player individuality - which really has little to do with this issue anyways. It's a fairly simple and basic problem: volleys including those of the most acrobatic type are extremely difficult to pull off IRL and thus infrequently attempted, however in PES players attempt and succeed at these shots with a frequency that is unrealistic. As you like to say, end of.

Maybe Rob's right and it's simply a matter of some players having too high ratings in certain categories, or it could be that the game sets too low of a threshold for minimum agility stats to meet the requirement to attempt such shots, i don't know. But if EA can ensure that crazy volleys and acrobatic shots are rare and limited to certain players, I'm certain Konami can do so too. Every sports game has its quirks and unrealistic elements that should be addressed for future releases, and i think most of us would agree this is one of them.

strioy85 said:
Yes this is my first post, I don't normally bother but I was absolutely appalled by the update so decided to try to get my view heard. I didn't think it would matter if it was my first time posting or my 100,000th surely the opinion still counts.

The v1.02 update ruins the whole concept of PES 11. Total Freedom...gone...
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Total freedom gone? Honestly, if you're going to make such a bold and broad claim you're going to need to provide plenty of examples.

Personaly, I see no changes with the most recent update that would substantiate such a claim. Don't see how freedom has been affected at all.
 
mfmaxpower said:
Konami doesn't get a pass just because they do a solid job overall with player individuality - which really has little to do with this issue anyways. It's a fairly simple and basic problem: volleys including those of the most acrobatic type are extremely difficult to pull off IRL and thus infrequently attempted, however in PES players attempt and succeed at these shots with a frequency that is unrealistic. As you like to say, end of.

Maybe Rob's right and it's simply a matter of some players having too high ratings in certain categories, or it could be that the game sets too low of a threshold for minimum agility stats to meet the requirement to attempt such shots, i don't know. But if EA can ensure that crazy volleys and acrobatic shots are rare and limited to certain players, I'm certain Konami can do so too. Every sports game has its quirks and unrealistic elements that should be addressed for future releases, and i think most of us would agree this is one of them.



Total freedom gone? Honestly, if you're going to make such a bold and broad claim you're going to need to provide plenty of examples.

Personaly, I see no changes with the most recent update that would substantiate such a claim. Don't see how freedom has been affected at all.
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Yes Max, it's just a shame your two months too late with that statement. It's old hat. Go back 2 months in this thread and you'll see most of us clearly stated on numerous occasions during the Beta how much against this we were. Nothing had changed, we just accepted it needs resolving and moved on.
 
Jimmy G-Force said:
Yes Max, it's just a shame your two months too late with that statement. It's old hat. Go back 2 months in this thread and you'll see most of us clearly stated on numerous occasions during the Beta how much against this we were. Nothing had changed, we just accepted it needs resolving and moved on.
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I'm sorry, I didn't realize there was a deadline for opinions or comments on the game. I also didn't realize posting a video like Rob's is fine but putting it into words then breaches some undefined code of accepting PES's shortcomings.
 
If there's one thing I REALLY don't like about PES 2011's gameplay, it's the volleys.

You can time them late to prevent the acrobatic efforts, but you have to time them so late that the player has no time to prepare and set themselves for the volley, meaning you get a crappy weak shot most of the time as there's no backlift, sometimes you get a thunderbolt but either way it looks ugly as the game only "knows" you want to shoot a fraction of a second before the ball is struck...
 
This problem we've mentioned about players booting the ball miles with O to clear seems to go further than just clearances. Players seem to be able to volley passes at almost 180 degrees despite having to stretch to reach the ball, which makes counter attacking so much quicker. I've also just had a cutback twunt pass to Forlan, who then hit a fairly powerful 18 yard shot to his 8 o'clock into the far corner despite sprinting away from goal. So frustrating.
 
Apart from manual long passes I think generally clearances are implemented quite well, smashing shoot in your own box to get it away replicates the panic of the situation IRL well. Especially if it's hooked away on a defender's weaker foot, meaning it'll more than likely make 20 yards and have it come back at you.
 
Absolutely. Nobody's contesting that. But all it takes is for the manual long pass to slip through the net and it's all fucked online. Plus some of the stuff behind what makes it happen currently bleeds into other situations where players make unrealistic passes and/or shots.
 
dannyfc2 said:
Apart from manual long passes I think generally clearances are implemented quite well, smashing shoot in your own box to get it away replicates the panic of the situation IRL well. Especially if it's hooked away on a defender's weaker foot, meaning it'll more than likely make 20 yards and have it come back at you.
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To certain extent, i agree. But it is quite inconsistence.
I dunno if this is called cleareances or not lol, in but just after keeper parry the ball to a bit outside penalty box and cpu defender is there taking it. In some cases, i put a quick pressure to that defender, he will likely kick the ball such as in clearance deliberately not trying to pass to his team mate in free position. I am not sure if this is related to his stats. But i doubt thats the case. Unfortunately, the animation used is the same as the crossing one :( .
 
i find that normal dribbling should be improved for the next version, in fifa the player leads the ball smoothly, his touches are clear, in pes the player dribbles with the ball as if he is going to stumble over it any further step, in some moments it even looks like the ball is "stuck" to players feet for 0,5 sec.
 
Palyers initial reactions to the ball and direction change need to be tightened up and be more responsive, we're meant to be playing with professional footballers here, even if they're not World class ones, they can still turn quickly without losing all momentum and pace.

This is strangley the only gameplay mechanic that still frustrates me on a game by game basis. Even with usage of L2/R2 for better initial control.
(Apart from the inability to pass/clear with a first time touch when intercepting an opponents pass that is. :P)
 
It doesn't look great when you compare and contrast, but I've got some great memories of PES2010. It looks mightily robotic now but it didn't feel that bad at the time.

I retired off PES2010 as soon as I got to play the 2011 beta so I've never been back to play it and probably take the advancements in PES2011 for granted a little because of that.
 
This has probably been asked so many times, but I just wanted to make sure I wasn't the only one feeling this way. What do you guys feel about pressure whores? By that, I mean holding down the square and X button, all the time, so that you have 3 or 4 players coming at you. I feel this requires no skill at all and is very hard to deal with, and I think Rob92 feels the same way as well.

The reason why I am asking this is because, I play on evo-league, and I had an issue with one of them doing this, and when I brought it up, a number of them say its a part of the game and has been ever since PES started, and it's alright to do it. Also, that its actually easier to cope with since they leave spaces vulnerable and it's easier to pass around. I thought the same way till I found its almost impossible to play against, as there's no space and time to do anything at all. So what are your guys' thoughts on this?
 
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