PES 2011 Discussion thread

[dannyfc2]

hah I just got out of my bad patch Jimmy, ramped my rating up to 547 in the last few days. It's either consecutive losses against piss poor opposition or a purple patch of destroying everyone in my path, never in between.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

The irony Danny, is it's like playing in real-life. When your not playing well, your confidence is shot, and it's all schoolboy errors. I dont think it helps that I've been persevering with Senegal, trying to find a system that suits. It's hard though, because they are as rubbish as my current playing ability. It's a double-whammey of the highest order.

 

[dannyfc2]

Think state of mind plays a part, if you're in a can't really be arsed mood I find it really difficult to carve out chances. I tried mixing up my formation when I went through a tricky patch and it just made it worse really, all you can do is slog it out until it 'clicks' again.


Noticed how overpowered the 'Speed Merchant' card is today, not had the opportunity to use a player with it yet but up against them can be a right struggle. I was getting raped by Krasic down the wing one game, it basically allows the player to maintain close control while sprinting. Wouldn't mind so much if it was saved for players like Messi or Arshavin, but Gabby Agbonlahor has nowhere near the skill level in real life to be capable of it.

 

[tc811]

Robbery, try changing your management settings. Use long ball or quick counter. Long ball will make your strikers stay up, and quick counter will make your back line stay put for counterattacks.

Sucks to be you guys, I feel like a red or yellow arrow IRL after winning Euro 2012 in BAL, and I've been appointed captain of Ajax. Good weekend.

 

[romagnoli]

I don't think the diving headers has anything to do with timing. If it does then it's utter bollocks how they've implemented it.

Also really tired of conceding corners where the ball is headed right at the keeper but he just does that stick-a-leg-out animation, letting the ball go over his leg and in. It happens every fucking time the other guy gets his head on it.

 

[Robbery]

Again, I don't have this problem at all. My CF and SS both attack crosses fine, even crosses from deep. Have you tried setting your attacking to down the middle? So when your wingers get the ball the forwards and centre mids should come forward.

Tomorrow i will try some more tactics. Maybe you tell me your tactical slider settings? I will give it a go then.

You play a very unique Team and not a Original Team i suppose?

Robbery, try changing your management settings. Use long ball or quick counter. Long ball will make your strikers stay up, and quick counter will make your back line stay put for counterattacks

I tried long ball already (didn't test quick counter but will so) and it doesn't seem to work. But I will give it another go tomorrow. If it works for you and romagnoli it should be working for me too.

 

[tc811]

Maybe you should try a higher defensive line as well? It will make your defense push up, and combine that with long ball or quick counter? You should definitely use attacking style at 14 above for 'down middle'. It makes a big difference when you're playing a 4-4-2.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

I don't think the diving headers has anything to do with timing. If it does then it's utter bollocks how they've implemented it.

Also really tired of conceding corners where the ball is headed right at the keeper but he just does that stick-a-leg-out animation, letting the ball go over his leg and in. It happens every fucking time the other guy gets his head on it.

Are you kidding me Rom? It has absolutely everything to do with timing, what else could possibly be the defining factor ? I can see and feel I have pressed shoot too early ( usually),or too late. I also believe they have done an excellent job in implementing it, they are very hard to time, as they should be. Diving headers only fall behind the over the shoulder volley, like David Platts, and bicycle kick volleys from wide, in real life difficulty of timing.

 

[romagnoli]

I'm basing it on how the result is not an indication of me timing it too early vs too late. I'm not flying past it or getting too strong a connection and therefore ballooning it over. My player is visibly being slowed down from the sprint to the dive, missing the ball completely and indicating that I'm not pressing it soon enough. Whereas with a normal header, or a volley, if you press it too soon you are going to send the ball ballooning over the bar.

If it is timing, then it is representing mistiming terribly.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

I'm basing it on how the result is not an indication of me timing it too early vs too late. I'm not flying past it or getting too strong a connection and therefore ballooning it over. My player is visibly being slowed down from the sprint to the dive, missing the ball completely and indicating that I'm not pressing it soon enough. Whereas with a normal header, or a volley, if you press it too soon you are going to send the ball ballooning over the bar.

If it is timing, then it is representing mistiming terribly.

Funnily enough I had two instances straight after writing that post in my MLO. And both were 110% through bad-timing bud, no question. And again, I know I was at fault. The first I pressed too early with Keane and he missed the diving header completely. The second, I was just a little too late. I made connection with the ball, but it was a proper '50 pencer', and the ball flew wide of target at a spurious angle.

I think the player slowing down is nothing more than a poor animation execution, in my humble opinion. The theory though is spot on in my book. Diving headers are very difficult to time IRL, especially when they are whipped in with pace from the flanks.

On a different note, I got my mojo back last night. I did what I always do, go back to basics offline on Top Player. I started a World Cup with Senegal and started playing some lovely composed, thought-out football. I created a new formation for Senegal and also got stuck right into a particular playing style, complete with tactics, strategies everything. I played about four 15 minute matches and had a real good look at all my players. I went for a 4-1-2-1-2, set it up narrow and tight, looking to counter. It really works well and suits. A real grinding, honest set-up. I just need to create a 'Plan B' now for them and I'm ready.

I went online after my offline World Cup, and went unbeaten in MLO and PEEL friendlies. I'm happy again.

 

[Ern Dog]

Edit - Just remembered it's Konami Patch Day today. Looking forward to some serious testing tonight.

Patch comes out Wednesday mate.

I Know what you were saying about having PES-itus, I believe this is what engendered my falling out with the game. I feel that it comes from playing the game too much, you get lazy and go into a sort of auto pilot mode where instead of concentrating on things like player positioning, timing and picking out the right pass you are just going through the motions. Whilst in this period instead of focusing on the basics I was paying too much attention to and being overly critical of other aspects of the game. As a result I was playing poorly and being frustrated by this aswel as the flaws in the game that I was spending much of my time looking at/for.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Patch comes out Wednesday mate.

I Know what you were saying about having PES-itus, I believe this is what engendered my falling out with the game. I feel that it comes from playing the game too much, you get lazy and go into a sort of auto pilot mode where instead of concentrating on things like player positioning, timing and picking out the right pass you are just going through the motions. Whilst in this period instead of focusing on the basics I was paying too much attention to and being overly critical of other aspects of the game. As a result I was playing poorly and being frustrated by this aswel as the flaws in the game that I was spending much of my time looking at/for.

Yeah it was a post-dated post, for Wednesday. As I'll be so busy with it on my day off, I wont have time to visit here.

PES-itus is exactly what you describe, going through the motions and not concentrating. It also gets worse before it gets better. I'm over the worst now, and I even learnt another couple of new things last night. Offline Top Player is like the PES Priory for me.

 

[Rob92]

I thought it was just me, I suffer from "PES-itus" from time to time as well .

One thing that pisses me off is that I was better at dribbling and beating defenders in the demo and first few days playing the game than I am now. No idea why .

Sunderland are a brilliant team to play as by the way Been using them quite a lot since their result against Chelsea - They are very solid, this is mostly thanks to Cattermole (who the idiots at Konami have once again misspelled "Catermole") who is great in the tackle.
There's a bit of class with Malbranque and Henderson, and up front Bent and Asamoah both have the pace, aerial ability and movement to cause any team problems.

Beat someone rated 611 yesterday who used Inter 2-0, one of the goals an exquisite lob by Bent (only the third proper lob I've scored) which I would have saved and uploaded, but the tosser rage quit as it went in .

 

[gerd]

I also love Sunderland Rob, apart from the players you mentioned i also like Bramble, El Mohamadi and Riveros.

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

I'm STILL trying to get to grips with this game, but I love it nonetheless. Shame that I'm utter shite at it though

I tried moving up to Professional level recently and especially in ML with the default original ML players, I'm barely scoring a goal. My team are terrible, average rating at 40-50 each, but having fun because grinding out 1-0 wins and away draws are really rewarding.

I love some of the animations too. I don't know why it's gotten so much stick in this department. I scored a lovely, realistic looking goal in a friendly (back on Regular level lol) where Tevez passed and moved, Adebayor waited before slotting Tevez in with a neat through ball, and I thought I'd been too hasty with the R2 controlled shot, and pressed and held it before I hit a first time shot as I got to the ball just as the keeper arrived at his feet, but Tevez did this lovely 'prodded' shot where he kind of scooped the ball out of his body and rolled the ball under the keeper's body as he dived at his feet. The ball kind of came across Tevez, but the controlled shot brought out a really realistic animation I'd not seen before. That was pretty awesome.

I'm still not sure about how you're supposed to use R2. I was using it as the power bar charges, but I'm more inclined to think that you can also press it and hold just before and during the shot, like you'd use the finesse button in FIFA. Either way, I also tucked in a neat near post flicked header where Adebayor got the faintest of touches and put the ball downwards, under the keeper.

Has anyone else though noticed the AI scoring bizarre own goals in your favour? I saw a PSV player last night run towards the ball, facing his own goal, and instead of turning on the ball, clearing it sideways into touch, or passing it back to the keeper, the AI just blasted the ball into the roof of his own net. Was pretty hilarious to watch to be honest.

Also, what would anyone recommend for the management options (team settings I think) as best to play a controlled attacking game with full backs and midfielders breaking through up the pitch? Does anyone use the set controls that dictate how the team will play at certain times of the match?

 

[Isslander]

has their been any detailed explanation of what this patch will do? I have been a bit out of the PES universe for the last few days.

 

[Gab_]

has their been any detailed explanation of what this patch will do? I have been a bit out of the PES universe for the last few days.

http://www.evo-web.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=61376

 

[Isslander]

http://www.evo-web.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=61376

Holy ravioli that is big news. If everything will be as described, that is.

 

[zeemeister]

LOL PES-itus got the best of me a week ago as well. I came back though and made him my bitch. It's crazy but its there. You loose your composure and confidence. The harder you try the worst it gets.

I switched to BAL and had to play with what must be the worst footballer on the planet and really think every turn, pass , shoot and run I took. It brings you back down to earth and makes you look at the small things in PES that makes all the difference.

This is why I hate playing with good teams. Dribble with Messi and pretty much switch off your deep thinking and get the result. Dribble with Medel and immediately you realise you are limited by technique, accuracy and pace. Same with finshing, if you one on one with the likes of Toni it is easy but when you get one on one with Samaras (ecuador striker) and you have to remember which is his stronger foot and how his balance is under pressure.

You could analyse everything in PES till you mind starts to fizzle out.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

LOL PES-itus got the best of me a week ago as well. I came back though and made him my bitch. It's crazy but its there. You loose your composure and confidence. The harder you try the worst it gets.

I switched to BAL and had to play with what must be the worst footballer on the planet and really think every turn, pass , shoot and run I took. It brings you back down to earth and makes you look at the small things in PES that makes all the difference.

This is why I hate playing with good teams. Dribble with Messi and pretty much switch off your deep thinking and get the result. Dribble with Medel and immediately you realise you are limited by technique, accuracy and pace. Same with finshing, if you one on one with the likes of Toni it is easy but when you get one on one with Samaras (ecuador striker) and you have to remember which is his stronger foot and how his balance is under pressure.

You could analyse everything in PES till you mind starts to fizzle out.

That explains everything, so it was you that I caught PES-itus off

On a different note, I spent 35 minutes applying the full WENB patch last night so that I could have Senegals official kits. Guess what ? Senegal are one of the 23 teams that havent been given the WENB kit make-over. Brilliant, I wish I'd have know that before I started. Anybody know where I can get these kits from please ?

 

[Isslander]

I am playing ML and a defender for the opposing team did the strangest thing. He passed the ball by pushing it into the ground with the sole of his foot. Can't figure out if it was a neat trick or a glitch, as the ball went awfully high into the air.

 

[dannyfc2]

Was gunna download that 360 OF that has chants as well as kits, but I noticed it also replaced teams with Championship ones, which would be an issue going online if the kit I see is different to my opponents if you get me.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Was gunna download that 360 OF that has chants as well as kits, but I noticed it also replaced teams with Championship ones, which would be an issue going online if the kit I see is different to my opponents if you get me.

It's very rare this happens Dan, and it's even more rare for both Home and Away kits to clash as well. I'd get that OF, it makes a big difference in my opinion.

 

[Rob92]

Was gunna download that 360 OF that has chants as well as kits, but I noticed it also replaced teams with Championship ones, which would be an issue going online if the kit I see is different to my opponents if you get me.

Which OF is that?

I'm on 360 and would be interested in an OF which includes the Championship - I used Dragonskin's OF to start with, then switched to Daymos v1 and have used that since.

Still not started an offline ML or BAL because of not having the Championship.

 

[Pere Ubu]

See, I'm looking for a (PS3) OF which has some other country's second division on it. I've never really been interested in playing Premier League on ML, I like to use teams from the Spanish, Italian or even French leagues partly because I prefer the style of play, partly because it just strikes me as a bit more interesting, and partly because (being English) I tend to dislike most of the big Prem teams on a gut level and don't really want to use them.

Trouble is, with the BLES issue, I reckon I'm not going to be able to find a compatible foreign second-division OF this year. Are there any going about which work with the UK game? I haven't found one yet. Spanish second division is my main interest, but Italian or French would be good too. I'm not getting my hopes up.

 

[lazyForken]

yea I feel you pere ubu...Im in the exact same situation, cant find an OF with other league second division for the UK version...

Man I miss the old pes for the simple fact that I sometime could score inside the box with a simple far post easy roller, but in this game the ball cant seem to stay on the pitch when you shoot...or the fact that you cant totaly loose a defender and have a couple of second free even tough you hitted a perfect trough pass and the nearest defender is like 10 yard off you, in half a second they got the ball off you...make me feel like playing fifa TBH...=p

 

[goalgerd]

That explains everything, so it was you that I caught PES-itus off

On a different note, I spent 35 minutes applying the full WENB patch last night so that I could have Senegals official kits. Guess what ? Senegal are one of the 23 teams that havent been given the WENB kit make-over. Brilliant, I wish I'd have know that before I started. Anybody know where I can get these kits from please ?

you should have downloaded my file jimmy, all kits are done including senegals,click the rapidshare link

 

[Pere Ubu]

yea I feel you pere ubu...Im in the exact same situation, cant find an OF with other league second division for the UK version...

I might just do it myself in Edit Mode - change the team names, kits and player names, and leave everything else. I'm not so familiar with European second divisions that I'd really notice the difference. Trouble is, it'd take ages and those Div2 teams are possibly slightly too good.

Man I miss the old pes for the simple fact that I sometime could score inside the box with a simple far post easy roller, but in this game the ball cant seem to stay on the pitch when you shoot...or the fact that you cant totaly loose a defender and have a couple of second free even tough you hitted a perfect trough pass and the nearest defender is like 10 yard off you, in half a second they got the ball off you...make me feel like playing fifa TBH...=p

No, it does seem like this sometimes but this stuff isn't really true. The shooting can be a bit random sometimes (AI scripting and "throttling", I think), but 90% of the time it makes sense. You just have to be very careful with it.

Speed is not as useful in this game as it should be, but you can get away from defenders with a fast player if you use the shoulder buttons well. In real life players don't usually outpace defenders by running in a straight line with the ball at their feet and the defender at their shoulder. This would need ridiculous amounts of speed, close control and upper body strength. Ronaldo can do it sometimes because he has all three, but most players can't. The trick is to find where the space is in front of you, knock the ball into that space and run into it. Very skilful players can do that in tight spaces, fast but less clever players (like Lennon) need a bit more open space to run into. Someone like Messi can mix pace with lots of fast changes of direction and escape from defenders that way, because he uses his quick feet instead of strength or power. Speed definitely needs to be slightly more important in PES, but the way it is now works OK, and helps with player individuality.

 

[dannyfc2]

Which OF is that?

I'm on 360 and would be interested in an OF which includes the Championship - I used Dragonskin's OF to start with, then switched to Daymos v1 and have used that since.

Still not started an offline ML or BAL because of not having the Championship.

Daymos v2 mate. Not on the Facebook page but on the PESGaming forum. Not tried it out but have it downloaded.

Jimmy, there must be that possibility though. The Championship teams are going to have different coloured home & away kits then the teams they replace. But I suppose since people rarely use teams other than Barca, Real Madrid or Man Utd as a base it'd happen rarely.....still be a right pain when it does occur.

 

[Rob92]

The ball physics in this game are very strange at times... Not my video but here's an example;

YouTube - Fail goal PES 2011

It is physically impossible for the ball to spin that way off the underside of the bar...

Also these ridiculous clearances piss me off no end (again not my video);

YouTube - PES 2011-Ball goes into orbit

It's a shame as the shot button clearances are pretty realistic in terms of distance and direction - they put the ball into touch/out for corners, rarely find teammates etc. so you can pile on the pressure realistically and have momentum going forwards against people who use them, when people use the long ball (particularly manual ones) clearances then you end up having to start from scratch again which is infuriating .