pjft
Public Service Optimism
- 23 June 2003
Patch news from WENB:
Regards,
Paulo Tavares
Regards,
Paulo Tavares
PES 2011 Discussion thread
- Thread starter NightWish
- Start date
klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
* AI pressure more in certain situation (especially when crossing)
WAEY! No more green Zone
* Cursor switching improved, including when ball is crossed
* Difficulty and success rate of Rainbow Flicks has been changed (more difficult)
* Transfer fees in ML has been reworked
* You can turn off player names above CPU players
Cool
* Shooting has been tweaked
hmm, i hope this dosen't turn into pes 6!
* Chants have been refined or changed
Nice
Well sounds like a very good patch! There will probably be some additional gameplay tweaks as like last year, looking forward to it
WAEY! No more green Zone
* Cursor switching improved, including when ball is crossed
* Difficulty and success rate of Rainbow Flicks has been changed (more difficult)
* Transfer fees in ML has been reworked
* You can turn off player names above CPU players
Cool
* Shooting has been tweaked
hmm, i hope this dosen't turn into pes 6!
* Chants have been refined or changed
Nice
Well sounds like a very good patch! There will probably be some additional gameplay tweaks as like last year, looking forward to it
Jimmy G-Force
Resident PES Fanman
Awesome stuff Paulo, thanks for that. Full marks to Konami as well, you can't fault them for listening and addressing gameplay issues.
Gab_
I agree
- 6 April 2009
Like the sound of this patch. Interesting to see what the shooting part is all about, hopefully more variation in spin on the ball (top spin please).
but the most important thing... NO UPDATE ON THE NETS!?!?!?123
but the most important thing... NO UPDATE ON THE NETS!?!?!?123
Jimmy G-Force
Resident PES Fanman
It wont mate, although I'm very interested to experience exactly what they have tweaked. Konami adhere to a particular philosophy with each and every game, and the shooting relates to that. PES 6 was an 'Arcadey' game, and so was the shooting. PES 2011 is anything but 'Arcadey', so I'm curious to see what they have done.
I must admit, the throw-in issue isnt something I would have thought they would have bothered to fix. So full marks again.
Like the sound of that. Shooting tweaked I hope refers to the floaty shots you get when under pressure, they feel and look wrong at the moment.
Most major things covered I guess, apart from foul and advantage issues, AI freekicks,... anything else?
Most major things covered I guess, apart from foul and advantage issues, AI freekicks,... anything else?
Jimmy G-Force
Resident PES Fanman
Its only the animation that is wrong though Gab, the physics of the topspin is there. You can hit a ball with dip and swerve, no problem. In order to get the dip, you have to have topspin. It's just the animation of the ball in flight that's wrong, nothing more. I'm suprised they havent mentioned the refs, they needed looking at with regards last-man hacks and subsequent Red Cards. In saying that, my mate had 3 players sent off against me in one game last night. The dirty bastard.
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klashman69
Fight the Power!
- 28 November 2007
As for the refs there a bit too inconsistent.
I mean they do send your players off though i was completely drunk out of my face one night and stupidly played pes online.
I managed to get 5 players sent of before having to forefit i think i streted to foul him on purpose because two of my players were sent off with straight reds!
Picked AIk as my team since i had no idea what the hell i was doing! I just kept fouling the Barcelona player (People take online far too seriously), hey it was fun at the time
I mean they do send your players off though i was completely drunk out of my face one night and stupidly played pes online.
I managed to get 5 players sent of before having to forefit
i think i streted to foul him on purpose because two of my players were sent off with straight reds!Picked AIk as my team since i had no idea what the hell i was doing! I just kept fouling the Barcelona player (People take online far too seriously), hey it was fun at the time
Simcut
BF3 Addict
Great news about the patch, I'm impressed, I didn't think they would fix this stuff, I was not optimistic about it before, I thought they would leave it till pes2012 to fix it, glad I was wrong, nice one Konami for listening and implementing stuff!
Bailzebub
''shooto miss''
- 25 October 2001
Looking forward to this.
If this is implemented well it bodes well for the future and will earn Konami a lot of kudos from the fans for listening and addressing some concerns.
If this is implemented well it bodes well for the future and will earn Konami a lot of kudos from the fans for listening and addressing some concerns.
Jimmy G-Force
Resident PES Fanman
After re-reading this, I think they are talking about a reduction in the amount of scissor-kicks we currently see. I get the impression they have toned-down the amout of acrobatic efforts that we currently endure. In saying that though, I see alot less these days, mainly due to timing the drop of the ball, so I'm not pressing shoot whilst the ball is still chest height, which is what triggers that type of shot. I'll put my house on this is what they are talking about. Either way, I'm happy, there are still far too many at present.
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_anderson
Retired Fanboy
Well, you can't get everything right. Sure we want fouls fixed, advantaged rule, a bit of improvement on the goalkeepers and fixes on the online, but, I think it's fair to say, and it's obvious to everyone, that this patch sounds masssive.
I mean, I don't think Konami has ever done (or promised) such good improvements with a patch. Most of us probably took for granted that the CPU names, cursor and the AI pressure would never be fixed in PES 2011.
It's pretty obvious they seem to have heard us, all that's left now is testing.
I mean, I don't think Konami has ever done (or promised) such good improvements with a patch. Most of us probably took for granted that the CPU names, cursor and the AI pressure would never be fixed in PES 2011.
It's pretty obvious they seem to have heard us, all that's left now is testing.
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dannyfc2
Premier League
- 9 June 2009
Mmm only improved Player Switching really interests me, although I'm intrigued how they alter shooting as I've not had much issue with it. Rainbow flicks aren't something that are difficult to combat either, rather see the constant spamming of slide tackles punished tbh. Sometimes they're impossible to avoid and dribble round, even tho the offender has timed it way way too early.
Regardless, nice to see Konami at least attempt to reactify issues the community have highlighted.
Regardless, nice to see Konami at least attempt to reactify issues the community have highlighted.
Gab_
I agree
- 6 April 2009
I don't know man, I see what you are saying, but when you simulate physics you don't add spin as a cosmetic thing, it's all part in the calculations. One problem in PES is that they're not really seem to simulate the Magnus effect on the ball. I've been messing around with ball physics lately and I could reproduce some problems that PES have. If I deactivated the Magnus effect calculations alone it was much more like in PES, and with them it was more like FIFA (how the ball is being pulled in different directions properly depending on spin).
I could also reproduce the quick slowing down of the ball when you pass it on the ground. The reason is that they don't properly calculate rolling resistance, but are overusing normal friction (as in when object bounces and slides against each other).
I might do some videos of it next week if anyone cares about it. Maybe more to try to get Konami to see it, but I think they are probably aware of these things anyway.
Ern Dog
Championship
- 23 October 2009
Apart from player switchng I do not care about anything in that patch. What they need to do is punish the people that constantly pressure and sprint and use it to tackle, I will no longer play online because of this.
mfmaxpower
International
- 29 July 2010
I don't know because the quote says "more realistic reactions and results" - "reactions" i would imagine would be what you're talking about, which is awesome, but then what about the "results?" Hopefully it means both the acrobatic animations will be toned down as well as the floaty shots, as imo those are the only two issues present in shooting.
In any case i don't think i could ask for anything more from a patch than tweaks to cursor change, shooting, and defensive pressure - can't wait!
**Edit: i take that back - like Gab said, really would like changes to the nets. Whoever designed the nets should get fired. Or at least a timeout in the corner.
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Suuuuupertalk
International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
If all these fixes actually happen then that'll seal the deal for me and future games, PES over FIFA for sure. I'd happily pay over my money to a games company who actually bother to look after their game after they've taken your money. Fair play to Konami if this patch is what it sounds like it could be......unlike EA who continually leave the most obvious bugs and glitches without being fixed.
On a different note, has anyone installed the WENB 4 option file? I'm 99.9% sure I'm imagining it, but the game is somehow playing a lot faster on -2 speed. Has anyone else noticed this or are my eyes deceiving me?
On a different note, has anyone installed the WENB 4 option file? I'm 99.9% sure I'm imagining it, but the game is somehow playing a lot faster on -2 speed. Has anyone else noticed this or are my eyes deceiving me?
romagnoli
Misses Retri
- 7 August 2004
I've had a thought about the 'no first-time pass on loose balls' glitch. Maybe it's deliberate.
Has anyone tried intercepting through or loose balls as if they were pressuring a dribbler? Towards the ball + X (A for 360 I think)? I'm sure when I tried to hit a first time pass off a through ball today, my player juddered as if I'd tapped pressure rather than pass.
I was thinking this because for FIFA I wanted pressuring to be on R1 (remembering that R2 is sprint). That way you could use the pressure button to home in on dribblers/loose passes without accidentally passing the ball out of play. If this is what PES is doing with pressuring then that might help us intercept those weak passes that our defenders sometimes just run past when we're trying to intercept it manually (I've conceded some stupid goals to this).
At the same time it shows the problem with putting something like that on the pass button - in one case we pass it accidentally when we want to latch onto the ball, in the other we can't pass because the player is waiting to collect the ball.
Sorry if this is already well known or if it isn't actually right. Just wondering what people find with this.
Has anyone tried intercepting through or loose balls as if they were pressuring a dribbler? Towards the ball + X (A for 360 I think)? I'm sure when I tried to hit a first time pass off a through ball today, my player juddered as if I'd tapped pressure rather than pass.
I was thinking this because for FIFA I wanted pressuring to be on R1 (remembering that R2 is sprint). That way you could use the pressure button to home in on dribblers/loose passes without accidentally passing the ball out of play. If this is what PES is doing with pressuring then that might help us intercept those weak passes that our defenders sometimes just run past when we're trying to intercept it manually (I've conceded some stupid goals to this).
At the same time it shows the problem with putting something like that on the pass button - in one case we pass it accidentally when we want to latch onto the ball, in the other we can't pass because the player is waiting to collect the ball.
Sorry if this is already well known or if it isn't actually right. Just wondering what people find with this.
Jimmy G-Force
Resident PES Fanman
It does all feel like PES is Konami's baby, with alot of thought, love, care and consideration bestowed upon it. EA seem arrogant and cold in comparison.
_anderson
Retired Fanboy
I hope the "AI pressure" is related to that lack of pressure on the wings only. Because I think the CPU is aggressive enough in terms of pressure in the rest of the field, maybe even a bit too much tbh.
Jimmy G-Force
Resident PES Fanman
Just a quick one chaps, I drew Senegal last night as my National Team in PEEL for this season. But after scouting for their players on the net to give me a bit of a low-down, it would seem that the players in PES Senegal team all have fake names ? I hate this. What I dont understand though is the same players that have fake names in the National side, have real names in their respective club teams ?
Is this the case ? Or have I got this wrong and just made a complete fool of myself ?
Is this the case ? Or have I got this wrong and just made a complete fool of myself ?
Robbery
stay cool its a Robbery
I'm going crazy. Why the hell is it impossible for my center forward to stay near or inside the box? Every time i'm attacking my striker plays a kind of center midfield role. Come on. It is Mario Gomez and Miro Klose not Diego or Xavi.
Any solution for this? That is so bullshit any makes attacking over the wing including some sharp crosses pointless. Everytime i would like to cross my striker is missing. Stay inside the box Jesus. It is not so complicated! Just stay inside the box!
Any solution for this? That is so bullshit any makes attacking over the wing including some sharp crosses pointless. Everytime i would like to cross my striker is missing. Stay inside the box Jesus. It is not so complicated! Just stay inside the box!
R
Rob92
Guest
That's PES 2011 for you I'm afraid, I havn't found a way to fix this - you could try moving your strikers all the way forward on the tactics screen, but it doesn't improve things much.
It's made worse for Bayern by Klose having the "Chasing Back" card that you can't turn off!
goalgerd
File Maker
you can turn off all the cards in edit mode
romagnoli
Misses Retri
- 7 August 2004
Don't Bayern have Possession (DEF) in management options?
Haven't had that problem with Erding in MLO, he's always there or thereabouts. If anything it's the diving header that completely misses the ball that gets me.
Haven't had that problem with Erding in MLO, he's always there or thereabouts. If anything it's the diving header that completely misses the ball that gets me.
Robbery
stay cool its a Robbery
Thank you. I was afraid there is no working solution for this problem. That's tough. Of course i tried already to move my striker all the way forward on the tactic screen, but that doesn't work a lot better.
If i play Gomez (he has no Chasing Back Card) it is the same like if i play Klose. Both are playing more like central midfielder then central forwards. Damn.
romagnoli said:
I changed it already to an more offensive tactic-style. But the problem with my central forwards are still the same. It seems they are trying to avoid running and staying into the Box as often as possible. That is so strange.
romagnoli
Misses Retri
- 7 August 2004
Again, I don't have this problem at all. My CF and SS both attack crosses fine, even crosses from deep. Have you tried setting your attacking to down the middle? So when your wingers get the ball the forwards and centre mids should come forward.
fluoroescent
Non-League
- 28 October 2009
I totally agree. It's especially asinine when you have actual, carded fox-in-the-box and poacher strikers like Gilardino or Huntelaar - what the hell would they run back to the middle of the pitch for? It's also absurd that you can't even fix this with any tactical settings; as a last resort I tried having him mark the goalkeeper or defender but it just gets him in pointless positions.
Jimmy G-Force
Resident PES Fanman
I love this and hate it in equal measure. It requires perfect timing, and no longer just pressing shoot 5 times and your player connects like all previous PES games. I much prefer this new system as it's so much more realistic. I only hate it because I have yet to connect to a diving header and score. Although I know it's all down to me and my timing. Old habits die hard.
For the record, I have PES-itus. My game has gone to complete shit over the last couple of days. I have no composure, I'm rushing everything, and my play has been terrible in all areas. It's the first time I have had this PES disease on PES 2011. It's so frustrating as I know it's all me. As a player, I'm on a constant Purple. It's back to basics for me. When I'm concentrating and on my game I'm a world-beater, when I'm not, I'm anything but. I am the Matt Le Tissier of PES. A flawed genius.
