PES 2011 Discussion thread

Got it. FIFA tech: good. FIFA application: bad.

I might of gotten a little carried away. In case you cant tell FIFA's movement physics and its overly physical gameplay get my blood boiling.

Def agree though - too often the whistle blows and the opposite team gets called for a foul than I expected based on what I saw.
 
sincover said:
No one has said that they want Fifa's implementation of physicality in PES. We would just like better collision detection and an improvement in the refereeing, particularly in spotting fouls and (consistently) using advantage play.
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+1..

Though i'd like to see something like FIFA' collision detection and advantage rule in PES..

Sometimes when i am dribbling and there's opponent try to push me.. the pushing animation by my player is still kinda late.. :YAWN: or sometimes it just miss completely

But at least it exist compare to previous version...
Hope 2012 can get it Much Better.. :SMUG:
 
Rob92 said:
I don't have a problem with a tap of the shot button resulting in very powerful/high shots.

In real football when you go for goal it's usually an instinctive action, not a considered and thought-out one unless you are in loads of space and focus on placing the strike, or try to chip the keeper, or you are a super composed world class player...

In PES 2011 the L1 chip and R2 controlled shot are the two types of shot that you can fully power up and rarely hit over the bar, which makes sense to me as they are planned actions.

The regular shot, using the shot button alone, seems like an "instinctive" strike, the player just swinging their leg through the ball, aiming vaguely for the corner you choose - as we all know from real football, it is very easy to blast the ball over the bar even when you try and keep the ball down if you put power behind the shot...

I also don't agree with the idea that tapping the shot button for a powerful strike isn't satisfying - when you strike the ball sweetly in real life, you barely feel like you have hit the ball yet it flies off your boot like a rocket...
If any of you have ever had a go at those things where the speed of the ball is measured when you kick it at wall, you've probably noticed that when you fling your leg at the ball, trying to use brute force to generate power, you actually don't strike the ball all that well and usually getting your technique right will produce better results - of course occasionally brute force and technique can be combined for stunning results ala Roberto Carlos...

I should probably stop as I'm most likely making no sense, I know what I'm thinking but can't put it into words very well :P.
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This.

I understand and agree 100%
 
I was wondering - is it possible to join a community of Winning Eleven 2011 players using a UK PAL copy of PES2011? I've been given a community name to search for, but nothing is coming up when I look.

Thanks!
 
goalgerd said:
your wait is over,click the rapidshare link in my sig, my work is done:BOP:



http://rapidshare.com/files/429840850/PS3.rar


i ask everyone to try that , even just load up the edit file and youll really notice a much more realistic game of football
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I have so far only edited the English, Italian, Spanish, Dutch and French club teams as I think some teams are slightly faster than they should be making them easier to use, I am going to spend a few days getting them right before moving onto the remaining club teams, then national sides.
 
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Cheers Jimmy, glad you and zee understood me :).

Had a few very good games tonight in regular ranked matches, I used Fiorentina, Spurs and Croatia playing against the likes of Real, Inter, United and Spain but didn't lose in all 8, winning 5 of them, mostly against D1 opponents :).

This was the winner against Spain, by Darijo Srna;
YouTube - PES 2011 Online - Srna free kick
That was for 2-1, the first goal was a delightful R1 dink by Eduardo, didn't think it was upload-worthy but it showed off the 1-on-1 finish player card very well, classy finish.

My rating is something like 580 now, the team-based ranking points weighting is implemented well in my opinion :).

A few days ago something stupid happened on MLO, an own goal for me;
YouTube - PES 2011 MLO - Stupid own goal
Probably nothing he could have done about that, a player switiching/first time clearance glitch and retarded keeper... I would have been fuming if that happened to me.
 
Really REALLY annoying thing happended to me in MLO last night. Valeney got sent off for me stupidly. The resulting free kick just left me baffled. The guy played nothing more than a chip into the box and my keeper for some reason was cemented on the penalty spot when the defensive line was on the 18yd line. He made no attempt to play it and neither did the defenders!

I was frantically pressing to switch player but it switched between my 2 furthest away players. He simply walked picked up the ball next to the keeper who still never moved, walked around him and walked into the net with the ball. WTF!!

I wasn't annoyed at losing a goal but really annoyed at the switching or lack off switching player. it's like everyone froze apart from his players and my to furthest away!

Happened to anyone else?
 
I just read a strange reaction of Jon Murphy about online gaming:
@Hisbollah:
Servers only set up games. Connection between players decides play quality
0 minutes ago via web in reply to Hisbollah
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If this is true, how can Konami ever fix on-line issues??

Tweeters, please ask Jon Murphy about it....! I have no Twitter, else I would ask it.

I make it easy for you tweeters: Just copy & paste the following text and tweet it to Jon Murphy:

Hi Jon, You just said that online-quality depends on the connection between players:
Does that mean that Konami is not able to improve the current online-quality?
 
mfmaxpower said:
Yeah well in FIFA a shoulder barge seems to be equivalent to a coin toss - heads the dribbler holds off the defender but is handicapped by the jostling animation; tails the dribbler goes flying five yards in comical fashion. I exaggerate but lately I'm finding FIFA difficult to take seriously (even if I have this strange addiction to building bronze teams in UT).

After playing primarily FIFA these past few years one of the things I find refreshing with PES is the balance the game has between the offensive and defensive sides of the game. Because of its exaggerated freedom FIFA allows you to do silly stuff, like I can use my striker as an efficient tackler in the opponents half, stealing the ball right upon kickoff. No foul occurs or is given because of how crazily effective jockeying and sprinting is with defenders, not to mention how insanely effective the autotackling is, but in real football there's no way this happens on a regular basis because your typical striker is going to foul the opponent nine out of ten times he rushes in to tackles at such speed. You can't do stupid stuff like that in PES - or at least to the extent that it impacts each match in FIFA - and in the end of the day that's one of the reasons why this game feels more like football.

It sort of makes me think of RPGs and dice rolls - when it comes to collisions, fouls, tackling, and most aspects of what we might consider the physical interactions of the players, PES seems to have the right balance of correct dice roll outcomes whereas FIFA's is off, it's only that FIFA does a better job at visualizing what its dice roll outcomes represent through its more advanced collision and animations system. (I know what you mean about the slide tackling but hey, I didn't say it was perfect!)

FIFA 08 was a better balanced game than 11 and it was the introduction of the 360 movement and physicality features that changed the game, so I disagree with you that it hasn't been the introduction of new tech that has created, or at least massively contributed to, the current issues. PES has such a great basic formula that works so well and I'd hate too see Konami screw it up by adding too much freedom, and get too caught up with implementing new physicality features like EA has.
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Like you I've started playing PES again this year having gone over to FIFA for the last few years. We've both got FIFA11, as we've discussed it over on the FIFA forum, and I totally agree with what you say. I've only just started giving PES2011 a proper go, and it's really refreshing to play.

Don't get me wrong, at first I really disliked it, but people on here said to persevere and they may have been right. Suddenly something has just 'clicked' with this game. I'm no longer trying to play it like I've gotten used to playing FIFA.

But I totally agree with the comments on FIFA and the laughable physicality of the game. I loved '09 but feel they've totally ruined the game with the addition of the jostle, physical challenges. It's turned into rugby, players hounding you over the whole pitch. It's there in FIFA11, and it's not fun to play with. I loved that game at first but since then I haven't touched it for about 2 weeks now.

Anyways, back to PES, and I love the new defending system. It's not perfect, switching seems a major issue, but imo way better than FIFA's basic methods.

I also love how you can keep possession in a more realistic fashion in PES. You can actually take players on with the likes of Nani and be sure their abilities will allow you to beat the defender - no superhuman AI defending antics here (as are in FIFA), and that's great.

I'm gradually getting the hang of shooting, I've noticed that low shots seem easier if you have the space to tap R1 to push the ball out from under your feet and give your player time to lean into the shot. They get more purchase on the ball and can control it more, meaning a light tap will actually go low. Do the same with the ball tight to the body, or at a funny angle, and the shot will float and sit up. Holding R2 immediately after you press the shoot button does a kind of FIFA style finesse shot which again, is quality for keeping shots low and more controlled, but again they will depend on body position. FIFA just doesn't compensate for this, you can tap in low shots at angles not necessarily realistic. PES makes you work harder, and shots, and goals, seem more random somehow just like PES on the PS3. It's odd using R2 AFTER tapping shoot, as FIFA makes you hold R2 before, but again it's all part of getting away from the way FIFA played.

For me it's all about reconditioning myself not to play like I did in FIFA. I can now stop the ball completely and stand still looking for options, comfortable in the knowledge that if a challenge comes in, I have the option to close dribble out of trouble without rampaging superman defenders forearm smashing you off the ball. I can now cross by pulling away from the direction of the ball and float the cross. I can now try and take players on with the right players, something you can't do in FIFA. If you're Ronaldo vs Puyol, you can beat him for pace without him magically being able to run quicker than you. The best players however are awesome in that they're better than the rest, but they cannot run 60 yards with the ball like they could in older versions.

All in all I'm now loving PES, I'm still on Regular difficulty because I'm re-learning from scratch, but it's so far been awesome :))
 
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Actually one quick question if anyone knows, I've loaded the WEB option file and got the Premiership teams, but now starting a ML seems to make all teams start with a really large sum of money. My custom team I made replacing the PES United team, then placed into ML, starts with over £30 million. I then tried using Spurs, then FC Roda, to see if it did the same with unedited teams, and they both start with £30 odd million. Is this a glitch caused by the option file? I've heard teams are supposed to start with an average of about £12 million etc. I can currently go out and buy the best coaches, scouts etc straight away.

Secondly, has anyone noticed where Diego has gone from the game? He was in the demo playing for Juventus, but of course moved to a German team (Wolfsburg?) which is not in the game. I can't find him anywhere, have Konami just removed him completely from the game? He's not even in the Brazil squad, and in ML I can't find anywhere that you can look for unregistered players like, say, Beckham for example.
 
LTFC said:
Actually one quick question if anyone knows, I've loaded the WEB option file and got the Premiership teams, but now starting a ML seems to make all teams start with a really large sum of money. My custom team I made replacing the PES United team, then placed into ML, starts with over £30 million. I then tried using Spurs, then FC Roda, to see if it did the same with unedited teams, and they both start with £30 odd million. Is this a glitch caused by the option file? I've heard teams are supposed to start with an average of about £12 million etc. I can currently go out and buy the best coaches, scouts etc straight away.

Secondly, has anyone noticed where Diego has gone from the game? He was in the demo playing for Juventus, but of course moved to a German team (Wolfsburg?) which is not in the game. I can't find him anywhere, have Konami just removed him completely from the game? He's not even in the Brazil squad, and in ML I can't find anywhere that you can look for unregistered players like, say, Beckham for example.
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Try this for the money problem: http://forums.evo-web.co.uk/showpost...&postcount=234

I haven't used it myself but I've heard good things.

Regarding Diego, yeah, he's dead. Or at least deleted by Konami's update. To have him in the game you needed to make a base copy of him I believe, before you downloaded the update. You'll need to start over fresh if you want those deleted players back, or add him yourself or through an OF. I haven't done this either so again maybe someone can confirm. Good luck!
 
LTFC said:
Like you I've started playing PES again this year having gone over to FIFA for the last few years. We've both got FIFA11, as we've discussed it over on the FIFA forum, and I totally agree with what you say. I've only just started giving PES2011 a proper go, and it's really refreshing to play.

Don't get me wrong, at first I really disliked it, but people on here said to persevere and they may have been right. Suddenly something has just 'clicked' with this game. I'm no longer trying to play it like I've gotten used to playing FIFA.

But I totally agree with the comments on FIFA and the laughable physicality of the game. I loved '09 but feel they've totally ruined the game with the addition of the jostle, physical challenges. It's turned into rugby, players hounding you over the whole pitch. It's there in FIFA11, and it's not fun to play with. I loved that game at first but since then I haven't touched it for about 2 weeks now.

Anyways, back to PES, and I love the new defending system. It's not perfect, switching seems a major issue, but imo way better than FIFA's basic methods.

I also love how you can keep possession in a more realistic fashion in PES. You can actually take players on with the likes of Nani and be sure their abilities will allow you to beat the defender - no superhuman AI defending antics here (as are in FIFA), and that's great.

I'm gradually getting the hang of shooting, I've noticed that low shots seem easier if you have the space to tap R1 to push the ball out from under your feet and give your player time to lean into the shot. They get more purchase on the ball and can control it more, meaning a light tap will actually go low. Do the same with the ball tight to the body, or at a funny angle, and the shot will float and sit up. Holding R2 immediately after you press the shoot button does a kind of FIFA style finesse shot which again, is quality for keeping shots low and more controlled, but again they will depend on body position. FIFA just doesn't compensate for this, you can tap in low shots at angles not necessarily realistic. PES makes you work harder, and shots, and goals, seem more random somehow just like PES on the PS3. It's odd using R2 AFTER tapping shoot, as FIFA makes you hold R2 before, but again it's all part of getting away from the way FIFA played.

For me it's all about reconditioning myself not to play like I did in FIFA. I can now stop the ball completely and stand still looking for options, comfortable in the knowledge that if a challenge comes in, I have the option to close dribble out of trouble without rampaging superman defenders forearm smashing you off the ball. I can now cross by pulling away from the direction of the ball and float the cross. I can now try and take players on with the right players, something you can't do in FIFA. If you're Ronaldo vs Puyol, you can beat him for pace without him magically being able to run quicker than you. The best players however are awesome in that they're better than the rest, but they cannot run 60 yards with the ball like they could in older versions.

All in all I'm now loving PES, I'm still on Regular difficulty because I'm re-learning from scratch, but it's so far been awesome :))
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Great stuff, and couldnt agree more about the R2 Finesse shot. Criminally, in all the years I have played PES, I have never used this option. Mainly because I thought it was the same as Fifa's, in that you needed to hold R2 first, and I find that hard due to the way I hold the pad. I've been using the R2 Finesse shot the last couple of days and have scored some incredible, and I mean incredible goals. Pulling off a finish like this when the situation arises is brilliant. It's far from a sure-fire goal, and what I love the best about it is, thats its completely body-posture and real-life technique relevant. Put the basics in place, and you completely up your chances of slotting the ball home. I've scored two with Pellissier where I have checked my run, come square with the outside of the box to give me the correct angle, then maxed out the power ( or at least I assume I've maxed out the power as I dont use a visual indicator) and hit R2. Both shot's crashed off the inside of the stanchion after Pellessier opened up his body and placed it in the top bag with his instep. I'm going to upload those goals as they really are beautiful to behold.

R2 was always my favourite button to use, and now's it's worth has increased ten-fold.
 
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Only time I use an R2 shot is when I have a right footer cutting in from the left to side foot it into corner Henry-esque
 
Cheers MFMax, I'll take a look later. Shame about Diego though, he seems pretty elusive considering I also couldn't sign him in FIFA11 - there's a bug in it meaning that any players who transerred to their new clubs this summer can pretty much never, ever, be bought. Ridiculous.

Anyways, I'm still getting used to R2, I've been using it to place low shots as best as possible in and around the edge of the box, but yeah I've also noticed that whereas normally maxing out the power bar would see you clearing the stadium entirely, hold R2 and it doesn't do this. Much better.

Incidentally, do you hold R2 or tap it, or does this matter?

It's added a different dimension to the game, that's for sure, no more smashing the ball like a rocket every time. Love it. I scored a beauty with Emmanuelson of Ajax last night, played a pin point through ball inside the full back, and because he's totally left footed, whereas in FIFA he'd have just hit it perfectly into the corner with his right, in PES he still put it into the same corner but opened up his body and sidefooted low into the net with his left. Nice. Also, passes like the through ball I did seem a bit easy to do, but are still well satisfying. I'd imagine the harder difficulties will see the AI intercept passes better.

I'm also loving using deep crosses. Admittedly it's only on Regular difficulty, but it causes chaos. A couple of times I scored from a deep cross that bounced around the penalty spot, keeper and defender left it for each other, and I stole in at the last second to sidefoot into a near empty goal. It felt more organic, random, and realistic than many a goal I've scored on FIFA. This sort of thing just rarely happens in that game.

Anyways, enough with comparing the two games now, I think I'm gonna stick with PES far more from now on.
 
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There is an awful, awful long way to go with regards learning PES. The deeper you probe, the deeper it becomes. There is always something new to learn, even for hardcore veterans like me. I tap R2 by the way. Also, try shooting then instead of tapping R2, try tapping R1 instead ( Sprint Button). That will give you a little dink over an on-rushing keeper. These are my trademark and I scored the best one ever last night which was off a cross. It was a first time, half-volley dink. It looked so composed and realistic, and all done in a split-second. I'm going to upload it as it formed part of a 3-2 loss for me in an MLO match, but what a game, and the Highlights are superb as all 5 goals were stunning in their own right.

Edit - Get yourself an option file with the Bundesliga on it. Diego will be there.
 
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Made a fantastic last ditch clearence last night, would have saved it but my opponent ended up quitting. The ball managed to bobble around my keeper, his striker got there first and slide in a shot only about 4 yards out, I manage to instinctively jab the slide tackle button with my last man and diverted the ball onto the post. Half a second out and he'd of arrived too early or too late, caught me by surprise and I managed to hoof it clear in celebration.
 
Fiorentina 5-1 Manchester United

Absolutely love this game at times :D.

There was one headed goal by D'Agostino which I liked, saved the replay and might upload it at some point tonight, one of those goals I hadn't scored in FIFA the last few years :).
 
Just got my hands on a proper UK BLES 20 version instead of the rubbish 21 version, so I'm off to install Gerd/Chimps OF and finally start a proper ML :D
 
DagsJT said:
Just got my hands on a proper UK BLES 20 version instead of the rubbish 21 version, so I'm off to install Gerd/Chimps OF and finally start a proper ML :D
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Let me know what you think of it. I am going to tweak the game play a bit as some teams are a little easy. Not many, Ajax and Man City so far, but still testing.

I still need to do teams outside france, england, spain, italy and holland, though that should be enough to do a master league at the minute
 
Had two games against Fulham and West Brom, me as Liverpool.

Playing on Professional (default in the OF), it's much harder than Pro was before the OF and probably harder than Top Player used to be as well!

Has CPU closing down been increased? At times, especially against Fulham, it felt like I was playing FIFA and I had the CPU sprinting at me far more than I expected.

CPU strikers seemed a lot more inclined to want to run at you with the ball at pace, lots more dribbling and actually caused me to worry when they got the ball.

Some Liverpool changes need doing as well:

Martin Kelly should be able to play CB as well, he's probably more suited to CB and will likely play there for the most part of his career once he's more experienced.

Aurelio should be able to play Side Midfielder.

Joe Cole should be able to play Centre Mid.

Jay Spearing should be able to play Defensive Midfield, I'd remove Attacking Midfielder.

Ryan Babel should also be a Support Striker

Dani Pacheco should also be Attacking Mid
 
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Okay found out what's going on with the ML money issue with edited teams. To avoid this problem of being given too much money, massive fan base etc then remove the edits for that particular team you choose to use, start the ML, save, then come out and re-apply the kits/changes as you see fit immediately afterwards.

This method allowed me to use PES United in ML and start with £2.9 million, and then just edit the kits, team name etc after saving and exiting ML. When you next restart, all the changes will be applied and the funds the same as when you started. Cool. That's more of a challenge than starting at the bottom with £30 million!

Now I can play as my crappy real life Blue Square Premier team and imagine that they can actually win a few games!
 
Oh and with the shooting, great tip on using R1 too, it can work a treat by dinking the ball over the keeper. Nice!

Are there any other hidden tricks to shooting, or general play? I've tried in the training mode, I'm not sure if holding the manual pass button (L2) does anything when shooting. I also noticed though that there seem like a million ways to cross the ball. Hold away from the direction and he'll float one in, hold towards he'll drive the cross, or just hold L1 and cross and he'll put in the most effective one. L1 crosses from really deep (even from halfway in the other team's half) can cause all sorts of mayhem at the back, and L1 aimed at their keeper can also make him come out for that tempting ball landing on his penalty spot. Sometimes he gets there, sometimes their keeper's a fraction too late :)

Are there any other tips people have for shooting especially? I'm trying to get as much variety in my shots as possible, when I didn't know what I was doing at all, every shot seemed to skyrocket or go into the net at about 100mph, which was rubbish. Just learning a little more about shooting has really opened up the game, so any more info would be even better.
 
LTFC, there are several different shot types:

1) with R2- the controlled strike, your player opens up his body and sends it around the keeper
2) L1- different from the R1 dink, it's the lob that you see Ibrahimovic try when the keeper's too far off his line.
3) R1- you already know this one.

Based on responses in this thread it seems most people have trouble with the regular square shot, which takes some practice because you have to get the ball out from under your feet to have a decent strike on goal.

Apparently Rob or someone else was trying to beat the keeper using the L2+ X method for a regular pass. It works, but I don't remember it being called an exploit.

Crossing:

Rob mentioned crossing in this post earlier, it's worth a look.

http://forums.evo-web.co.uk/showpost.php?p=2089048&postcount=13853

You have 6 places to aim - by holding the direction when you press the cross button you can direct the cross, attacking left to right on the right wing;

No direction = Around the penalty spot
Up = Far post
Down = Near post
Left = Pulled back
Right = Closer to the keeper
And then there's the up-left, down-right etc. combinations.

Then you have the different types of cross;

Single tap = Regular whipped cross
Double tap = Driven, lower, more powerful cross (nearly scored from one of these!)
Triple tap = Ground cross
R2 + Cross = Lofted cross
L2 + Cross = Manual cross
L2 + R2 + Cross = Lofted manual cross
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Had one of my better nights online last night, unbeaten again :) here were some of the standout results (me in bold);

Fiorentina 5-1 Manchester United
Fiorentina 3-0 Real Madrid
Inter 0-3 Newcastle United
Croatia 2-0 Brazil

Finished on a rating of 604, ranked 543rd :)

Some videos;

The previously mentioned header;
YouTube - PES 2011 Online - D'Agostino header
Pretty nice manual pass at the start, and I like the little move to create space for the cross. Love the power on the header :).

Another free kick by Srna;
YouTube - PES 2011 Online - Another Srna free kick

A belter from Olic;
YouTube - PES 2011 Online - Olic belter
I like the deliberate touch to shift the ball onto his favoured left foot, shows off the 360 degree movement - couldn't do that on PES5 for example. I know it's only a long range hit, but it was against Brazil and it was right in the top corner :P.
 
Dear KONAMI,

A team cannot press effectively for the whole duration of a match. I'm all for high pressure, but it gets quite outrageous when your options become back passes or square balls for almost 20 straight minutes against pressure monsters.
 
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