Mate I am not saying that no problems exist in the game and I cant argue how someone else experiences it. What I am trying to get across to you is that not every one of the common criticisms thrown at the game are because that part of the game is fundamentally broken, if there are people that do not have the same problems then how can it be? A broken TV will not display a picture for anyone, an faulty TV will display a picture to you if you catch it at a good time. But a TV that displays a picture 100% of the time for some people and 0 or 50% of the time for others is neither broke or faulty, you have to question if some people actually know how to turn the TV on.
The game takes part in a tiny little digital world of its own, everthing that happens in that world is bound by its own laws which were created by Seabass. If you cant adjust to the limits of this world you will have problems, I did myself.
Its not the same as your car, that does not work the way it is supposed to. PES works how Seabass programmed it to work and people simply do not like certain aspects of it, that does not mean its broke. The problems come with peoples perception of what should happen when they press a button and the outcome of that button press. They expect it to do things it was not designed to do, if you have to wait for a player to cycle through an animation before you can perform the next action thats because Seabass intended it that way, its not because there is a fault with response times. The fault is with the expectation that the player will break out of that animation and perform the inputted action, if you do not have that expectation and wait for the right time for your next command it will be carried out instantly.
If you dont think the game should behave in this way fine thats your opinion, but to say that it is broken and people that have adjusted to this and therefore have no response time issues are blind fanboys is wrong.
Again I am not saying the game is perfect but problems like passing and shooting being inconsistent, slow response times and stiff movement are not an issue because these parts of the game are broke they are an issue because you do not like the way the game plays, I and many others do.
You can either accept the game for what it is and get on with it or play it and wish it was something its not and get annoyed by it, its not perfect but it is what it is.
I'm sorry Ern Dog, but I don't agree with your position on this. You say that if Seabass programs the game to work in a specific way in specific situations, then it's our fault if we don't adapt to that. Yes, that's true, and this is what gaming is. Every game has its rules, limits and controls, and you play it the way it's supposed to be played. This is what videogames are. The problem with PES is that the responses for specific situations sometimes are not the same, so there is something wrong there. I could give you tons of examples of this, but I won't waste time, I know that you or Klash will always come back with some sort of "logical" reason for that to happen. So instead of that, it'll be better to admit that some people consider some things as flaws and some other don't. But it's not fair to say that the ones that consider them as flaws is because they don't get the game. Also, if some of this flaws only happen online, well, that's not an excuse, because I play many games online and they work perfect.
Just an example of this: the shooting system. I'm tired of reading that it's not wrong, that it depens on this and that, that is super realistic (like many other things that are flaws for me). Well, I can agree that one must have to adapt to it because it has its own rules (too variable rules in my opinion), but I don't agree at all (this goes specially for Klash) that it's a reallistic system. Maybe we live in different planets, but in the one I live (planet Earth), when you push an object with low (minimum) power, the object won't fly to the sky. Is that simple. So why so many shots where you just TAP the shooting button fly up? For whatever reason/rule in the game, but that's not realistic. And there's something else that proves that there's a flaw there: Konami in the game manual (not in this PES, in ALL of them) says that the power bar determines SPEED AND HEIGHT of the shot. That's how it always worked, and that's how it doesn't work now.
To summarize my position on PES 2011 (because maybe I'm giving the wrong impression with all this posts), I think it's a GREAT GAME, which btw I don't struggle with it. I actually do pretty well, I control most of the matches I play in every single aspect (although of course I don't win all of them). What really pisses me off are specific situations that happen in specific moments that can, given the nature and competivity of this game, ruin a whole game for you. I have a clear example in my very last game: I was playing a game with some dude, he barely crossed the field to my side, I had a lot of good chances to score (a couple of them missed because of flying rockets), and I didn't score, but that's fine, that's football and sometimes you just don't score much (look at Barça lately), although in this game this happens too much. Anyways, the point is, my rival had 2 chances in the whole game (well, 1 and a half). In his 'half chance', he manages to get to the end line and cross the ball into the box, and after some rebounds the ball ends up at the feet of my CB. I smash the shoot button several times to clear the ball away because there's a lot of rivals getting close. My player does NOTHING, and after I-don't-know-how-many-button-presses, he tries to clear it, but it's too late, the rival's attacker crashes at him, gets the ball and scores while my keeper just looks what's happening. Obviously, I lose the game. Some other times, I was ahead in the scoreboard and it's just a game tier. And this happens a lot of times, not with this specific flaw, but with others as well. You may say, "this is not a flaw, it's just that your CB was thinking about his dinner for that night and that's why it took him so long to react". Well, for me that's a flaw. And I repeat, I could give soooo many examples like this with situations that have nothing to do with realisms... And you see that all your efforts in a game are ruined for some sort of weird thing that happens that really sucks.
So well, it's obvious that we're not going to agree in this matter, the important thing here is that everyone finds the way to enjoy the game, and if you guys find it already a very rewarding experience, good for you. For me it still needs a lot of improvement (and not just in the actual matches, other things should be improved in other aspects, but we can discuss that another day, now I wrote for too long and I deserved some gaming time
) and would blindly defend the game no matter what. Now I agree with everything he says about the game, he was not and is not in love with Seabass and will defend him till his dying breath(well maybe 
