PES 2011 Discussion thread

[romagnoli]

Maybe because the PS3 version uses analogue sprinting, so it depends more on pressure?

Think I've read about this somewhere.

I think that was speculation about what was going to be in the game during buildup. I've seen zero evidence of this whatsoever.

Still waiting on that video of the analog stick based aftertouch

 

[Dar]

Dar, i diubt if there is much difference between the different arrows. I don't have the impression that my ML team (still only default players) plays worse away thah at home.

If the arrows are the same as they've always been then there is quite a difference between a Red arrow and a Grey arrow. There's about a +/-12 difference on certain stats, and thats going by the previous guide that was first shown in the first "official" Piggyback guide that was released on PES. So a player with a red arrow going up against a player on a grey, is actually a pretty major difference.
I do agree somewhat that the difference doesn't seem to be too much in PES11, but it's noticable on some players control and dribbling mainly.

I never noticed the thing you menion about a striker and the ai decinding that the pass has to go to another striker. I'm also playing a league with Sunderland and i do that all the time with Bent who then gives the ball to Mohammedi (or what's his name, Sunderland's Egyptian player, at the moment my favourite PES2011 player...) and he currently scored already 7 goals like that...

It's happening to me more and more I must say, now this is with using Sampdoria, so maybe it's something to do with having one CF (Pazzini) and one SS (Cassano). That could be the difference...

 

[lazyForken]

Im having a hard time with the CPU, Im enjoying the game but the way the CPU score on top player kills me...the only way they score against me is in that trough ball that I cant defend since my defender reaction is slowed down a notch or from set pieces...its been 2 week now and Im frustrated...I like that the CPU score more goals now but the way they scores is boring and feel arranged when you see bottom teams keep killing your D-line with xavi type trough ball.Im really disapointed in konami effort on the CPU this year

 

[Kaiser]

I've really gone off MLO a bit which is a shame. It's just becoming like the old days again with peoples formation set for wings and cutbacks of sorts.

Also i would always recommend playing your front 2 as a CF and a SS. Your attacks can varie so much!

 

[Rob92]

Have you tried changing your MLO quick game search settings to search for players at a similar level? I would have thought that would filter out the teams way above or below you, depending on whether it uses the team value/rating stats as well as the standard performance rating. Don't know if it applies to you...

Thanks for the tip.

I was already using that, but my luck seems to have changed now anyway since I signed Heskey ().

He has 5 in 5... PES a sim? Not sure now 77 shot accuracy and 85 shot technique(!) seem a bit much for him!

Scored a great goal with Murphy in my last match but the tosser quit when I was 4-1 up meaning I couldn't save the replay .

EDIT - 6 in 6.

10 in 8.

 

[proxi]

PES a sim? Not sure now 77 shot accuracy and 85 shot technique(!) seem a bit much for him!

Heh, I've had Robbie Keane nab a hat-trick against Real Madrid and go on a 12-game scoring run. Sim isn't the word, however "respectable lottery" is the phrase.

 

[Pere Ubu]

PES has always, always boosted the stats of English players, or anyone playing in England - especially if they play for the England team, which Konami somehow seems to think is one of the very best in the world. Never understood this. I can remember editing/updating PES6 not long ago, and there were English guys there I've never even heard of, 18 year olds from the reserves of Birmingham City or somewhere (who've gone on to do nothing in the game since PES6 was released) with better stats than first-teamers from Valencia or Lazio.

Ideally, these kind of very ordinary English players should have higher stats for tenacity, mentality, whatever, body balance and possibly aggression. Tough to play against, but not great technical players. Instead you had flops from Bolton who were better technically than anyone in the French league who didn't play for one of the top three French teams. It's like Konami could appreciate that the Premier League was a tougher and better league than Ligue 1, but they didn't understand why.

It's not quite so bad now, but it's still there and still annoying. You still find that anyone in the England team is some kind of super player, whose strengths are over-estimated and whose weaknesses are ignored. For example, yes, Steven Gerrard should have one of the highest stats of anyone in the world for shot power and tenacity. No, he's not one of the best long passers in the world (he's good but not great), and NO his teamwork stat should not be really, really high - the whole reason why Gerrard has never been a world-class player is that he has no understanding of teamwork or tactics, reading the game in progress, playing the simple pass when that's the best option, etc. He's bloody awful at that stuff, as bad as Cristiano Ronaldo for playing with his ego. Is this reflected in PES? Nope. They're too affected by hype and prominence. Emile Heskey, 85 shot technique? Yeah, right - if he hadn't been in the England squad when they were putting the game together, there's no way in hell he'd have got that. But because Heskey was in the England team, that couldn't have meant the England team was short of effective strikers - it must mean Heskey's an amazing centre forward. You get this with club teams too, average players have crappy stats when they're playing in Austria or somewhere, then suddenly become top-level players overnight as soon as they're sitting on the bench at Man United.

Ibrahimovic is the same - he's like a god in PES 2011, whereas he's always been known as an on-and-off player, I remember someone calling him "the biggest 20-percenter in European football", which is pretty accurate. Totally brilliant in one game out of five, bit of a waste of space the rest of the time. But he's reeeallllyyyy famous and he plays for reeeallllyyyy big teams, so...

 

[Rob92]

@Pere Ubu - Completely agree. team reputation has always played too big a role in player attributes .

10 goals in 8 games for Heskey is ridiculous, his career goal record must be something like 1 in 5, and his strike rate for England was laughable... A fair few of the 10 goals I've scored with him have been headers, but some have been emphatic strikes, skilful dribbles followed by clinical finishes and poachers goals, not things that are associated with the name Emile Heskey...

 

[mfmaxpower]

Not sure if it's been said before, but the xbox360 version of this game is far better and smoother than the PS3 version. Huge differences in terms of graphics, gameplay, and player response. Why? I don't know. However the differences are noticeable. For one, the players respond better when pressing the sprint button (RB) on the 360. On the PS3, the players feel more sluggish on responding to (R1). Their acceleration doesn't register immediately upon pressing the sprint button as it does on the 360. Very strange...

This among other things ofcourse.

Glad to see someone else mention this. I've noticed a pretty big difference too, which is almost scandalous considering the PS is the home of PES.

Wonder if it's got to do with the general consensus that exclusives are better on the PS3 but multiplatforms tend to perform better on the 360?

I think that was speculation about what was going to be in the game during buildup. I've seen zero evidence of this whatsoever.

Same.

 

[Ern Dog]

Noticed scripting for the first time yesterday and I am a bit shocked by it. I am not opposed to scripting however I would like it to be done in a subtle way, things like poor touches or sliced shots, what I saw was Ridiculous. I was playing a online game as the away team, I went 1 - 0 down and shortly after played a through ball into the box, it was perfectly weighted for my striker to run onto but he just ran behind it and let the keeper run out and take it, it was like the ball was repelling him. Not long after I put one of my midfielders through 1 on 1 again and he did exactly the same thing, just jogged behind the ball, would not connect with it and let the keeper come out and get it.
I have seen people complain about scripting in 2011 before and I though they were talking rubbish and making excuses but its there and as bold as ever. Like I said I dont mind scripting in subtle ways but things like holding your players back from conntecting with the ball are just wrong and very frustrating.

PES2011 engineered for freedom unless you are the away team, then we will restrict your players movement.

 

[MindlessDrugHoover]

Can someone please explain what I'm doing wrong when it comes to certain shots? I'll be ready to shoot, hold the square button and direction of shot expecting a good hit.....but then the player just does some weak pathetic chip shot....I'm not pressing any other buttons...is it doing this because of the angle of the shot?

 

[_anderson]

Can someone please explain what I'm doing wrong when it comes to certain shots? I'll be ready to shoot, hold the square button and direction of shot expecting a good hit.....but then the player just does some weak pathetic chip shot....I'm not pressing any other buttons...is it doing this because of the angle of the shot?

That's because you're holding R1 after pressing square, resulting on a chip shot.

Also, hard shots must be made by tapping square other than actually holding it down.

 

[MindlessDrugHoover]

That's because you're holding R1 after pressing square, resulting on a chip shot.

Also, hard shots must be made by tapping square other than actually holding it down.

Thank you

 

[Jamezinho]

I'm losing almost every MLO game now...

Unfortunately it has become the superteam bullshit we suspected it would...

There is simply no way to defend against constant through balls by Iniesta, dribbling and low crossing by Ronaldo and trying to score against the likes of Carvalho and Ferdinand with my players is rarely going to come to anything...

It was very good when everyone had weak teams, shame really.

It's a shame to hear that. I've not tried MLO online in the full game yet (or any online modes for that matter) and while in enjoyed the beta it was obvious how the mode would go to shit upon full release. Online gaming is great in theory, it's just a shame about the people who play online.

I was hoping that Konami would implement two modes for MLO, the current ranked version and another for private leagues. Playing an evo-web MLO against some of you guys and having only one Messi and Ronaldo to buy between us would be great fun.

 

[dannyfc2]

Is it me or is anyone finding the game 'fast' online today? Like they've ramped the speed setting up. It's still jittery in overly crowded areas but players are passes seem to zip around a bit more, dribbling seems more responsive yet at the expense of producing a more hectic less relaxed game.

 

[lazyForken]

Can someone explain me the shooting system of this game cause I simply dont understand...I can score 25 yard volley's and bicycle kicks but cant score simple tap-ins and shots in the box...Im actualy more satisfy when I score inside the box cause volleys and bicycle are easy. Sometime I power the gauge to max level and its does a wonderful powerfull shot and sometime he fly over...sometime I hit a soft gauge shot and its strong and with alot of power and sometime it just fly wide...I know there a relation with your body balance and control but sometime its just ridiculous.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Noticed scripting for the first time yesterday and I am a bit shocked by it. I am not opposed to scripting however I would like it to be done in a subtle way, things like poor touches or sliced shots, what I saw was Ridiculous. I was playing a online game as the away team, I went 1 - 0 down and shortly after played a through ball into the box, it was perfectly weighted for my striker to run onto but he just ran behind it and let the keeper run out and take it, it was like the ball was repelling him. Not long after I put one of my midfielders through 1 on 1 again and he did exactly the same thing, just jogged behind the ball, would not connect with it and let the keeper come out and get it.
I have seen people complain about scripting in 2011 before and I though they were talking rubbish and making excuses but its there and as bold as ever. Like I said I dont mind scripting in subtle ways but things like holding your players back from conntecting with the ball are just wrong and very frustrating.

PES2011 engineered for freedom unless you are the away team, then we will restrict your players movement.

I dont understand how it can be called scripted in a human v human game Tom. Sounds more like some kind of freak programming glitch to me.

 

[Ern Dog]

I dont understand how it can be called scripted in a human v human game Tom. Sounds more like some kind of freak programming glitch to me.

I saw it as scripting to aid the home team but maybe you are right, it was very strange. I wish I could of videoed it, the striker could of latched onto the pass at about the 18yrd line but just ran behind it until the keeper collected

Pleased to say that the matches played online against English opposition have be largely lag free this weekend.

 

[sincover]

I saw it as scripting to aid the home team but maybe you are right, it was very strange. I wish I could of videoed it, the striker could of latched onto the pass at about the 18yrd line but just ran behind it until the keeper collected

Pleased to say that the matches played online against English opposition have be largely lag free this weekend.

Sounds like it could be a desync problem Ern. I haven't run into it much on PES 2011 but it does occasionally happen. The scripting does happen against the AI though. I just lost the semi final of the Europa Cup in my ML because the ball went through the body of my keeper (looked like his collision mesh was disabled).

 

[mfmaxpower]

Can someone explain me the shooting system of this game cause I simply dont understand...I can score 25 yard volley's and bicycle kicks but cant score simple tap-ins and shots in the box...Im actualy more satisfy when I score inside the box cause volleys and bicycle are easy. Sometime I power the gauge to max level and its does a wonderful powerfull shot and sometime he fly over...sometime I hit a soft gauge shot and its strong and with alot of power and sometime it just fly wide...I know there a relation with your body balance and control but sometime its just ridiculous.

If you add them up I'm pretty sure I've scored more volleys and long shots than what should be simple 5-yarders and 1v1s with the keeper. Just how it is this year I guess.

 

[_anderson]

Sounds like it could be a desync problem Ern. I haven't run into it much on PES 2011 but it does occasionally happen. The scripting does happen against the AI though. I just lost the semi final of the Europa Cup in my ML because the ball went through the body of my keeper (looked like his collision mesh was disabled).

That doesn't qualify as scripting me thinks. It's deffo there, at times where the A.I. will always win rebounds, "force" an own goal, and stuff like that. But a ball going through the GK's body is just messy collision physics...

 

[dannyfc2]

What are peoples opinions on Supercancel tackling? I can't decide if it's a cheap tactic or a skill. It's hugely more effective than the usual pressure button, and it seems to make your player artificially stronger as you knock the opposition off the ball. It's something I've used since PES5 but it does essentially put you at a big advantage, the defensive side of the game needs a massive overhaul tbh.

Just had a hugely satisfying yet hideous game online. Realised as soon as I saw his team what sort of player he was, a back three of Richards/Clichy/Samba pushed right up, Gabby and another pacey man spread wide. He scored immediately from a lofted through ball from kick off while taunting me in Spanish. Engaged I batter him for the rest of the half, totalling 13 shots and fluffing them all. (Seriously I'm an absolute melt under pressure in front of goal). 2nd half he grabs another with his 2nd shot of the game. More singing and taunting and I had pretty much accepted defeat there. Then with about 20 minutes left I scramble one in, he completely bricks it for the remainder of the game, just hoofing it anywhere and everywhere. FINALLY get an equaliser and then immediately after the winner. The deafening silence from his mic was pure gold

Also, have to say I'd rate the servers as the same level of PES6 now. Really had no problems lag wise my end, that's on a Uni 2mb download and 35mg upload connection. Fair play to Konami for sorting it out.

I saw it as scripting to aid the home team but maybe you are right, it was very strange. I wish I could of videoed it, the striker could of latched onto the pass at about the 18yrd line but just ran behind it until the keeper collected

I've experienced this for random midfield passes where a player just can't latch onto it, quite funny when it happens to both teams and you have two players weaving around a loose ball. Don't think it's scripting or cheating, just a strange infrequent glitch.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

What are peoples opinions on Supercancel tackling? I can't decide if it's a cheap tactic or a skill. It's hugely more effective than the usual pressure button, and it seems to make your player artificially stronger as you knock the opposition off the ball. It's something I've used since PES5 but it does essentially put you at a big advantage, the defensive side of the game needs a massive overhaul tbh.

Just had a hugely satisfying yet hideous game online. Realised as soon as I saw his team what sort of player he was, a back three of Richards/Clichy/Samba pushed right up, Gabby and another pacey man spread wide. He scored immediately from a lofted through ball from kick off while taunting me in Spanish. Engaged I batter him for the rest of the half, totalling 13 shots and fluffing them all. (Seriously I'm an absolute melt under pressure in front of goal). 2nd half he grabs another with his 2nd shot of the game. More singing and taunting and I had pretty much accepted defeat there. Then with about 20 minutes left I scramble one in, he completely bricks it for the remainder of the game, just hoofing it anywhere and everywhere. FINALLY get an equaliser and then immediately after the winner. The deafening silence from his mic was pure gold

Also, have to say I'd rate the servers as the same level of PES6 now. Really had no problems lag wise my end, that's on a Uni 2mb download and 35mg upload connection. Fair play to Konami for sorting it out.



I've experienced this for random midfield passes where a player just can't latch onto it, quite funny when it happens to both teams and you have two players weaving around a loose ball. Don't think it's scripting or cheating, just a strange infrequent glitch.

That upload speed is incredible, how is that so ? I always thought the upload speed has relevance to the download speed. Obviously 2meg download is probably below average by todays standards, but 35 meg upload is phenomenal.

 

[dannyfc2]

That upload speed is incredible, how is that so ? I always thought the upload speed has relevance to the download speed. Obviously 2meg download is probably below average by todays standards, but 35 meg upload is phenomenal.

I know, it's through University accomodation though, so the download speed is just capped at 2mb for each user. For what ever reason the cap for the upload speed is a lot higher.

Only actually found out the other week after doing a speed check as I was getting above 2mb download for some reason

 

[Mityaj]

PES has always, always boosted the stats of English players, or anyone playing in England - especially if they play for the England team, which Konami somehow seems to think is one of the very best in the world. Never understood this. I can remember editing/updating PES6 not long ago, and there were English guys there I've never even heard of, 18 year olds from the reserves of Birmingham City or somewhere (who've gone on to do nothing in the game since PES6 was released) with better stats than first-teamers from Valencia or Lazio.

Ideally, these kind of very ordinary English players should have higher stats for tenacity, mentality, whatever, body balance and possibly aggression. Tough to play against, but not great technical players. Instead you had flops from Bolton who were better technically than anyone in the French league who didn't play for one of the top three French teams. It's like Konami could appreciate that the Premier League was a tougher and better league than Ligue 1, but they didn't understand why.

It's not quite so bad now, but it's still there and still annoying. You still find that anyone in the England team is some kind of super player, whose strengths are over-estimated and whose weaknesses are ignored. For example, yes, Steven Gerrard should have one of the highest stats of anyone in the world for shot power and tenacity. No, he's not one of the best long passers in the world (he's good but not great), and NO his teamwork stat should not be really, really high - the whole reason why Gerrard has never been a world-class player is that he has no understanding of teamwork or tactics, reading the game in progress, playing the simple pass when that's the best option, etc. He's bloody awful at that stuff, as bad as Cristiano Ronaldo for playing with his ego. Is this reflected in PES? Nope. They're too affected by hype and prominence. Emile Heskey, 85 shot technique? Yeah, right - if he hadn't been in the England squad when they were putting the game together, there's no way in hell he'd have got that. But because Heskey was in the England team, that couldn't have meant the England team was short of effective strikers - it must mean Heskey's an amazing centre forward. You get this with club teams too, average players have crappy stats when they're playing in Austria or somewhere, then suddenly become top-level players overnight as soon as they're sitting on the bench at Man United.

Ibrahimovic is the same - he's like a god in PES 2011, whereas he's always been known as an on-and-off player, I remember someone calling him "the biggest 20-percenter in European football", which is pretty accurate. Totally brilliant in one game out of five, bit of a waste of space the rest of the time. But he's reeeallllyyyy famous and he plays for reeeallllyyyy big teams, so...

Brilliant post mate!

Ibrahimovich is rated what, 98 as a CF?! A 98?!!! Thats PELE-Maradona LEGENDARY stat! W T F

And Arshavin was a no hoper loser in the Rissian team untill he joined Arsenal, over one year hes been transformed into Russian Messi... W T F

Still love this game- ever since PES6, there was this void that is now filled in my soul

 

[dannyfc2]

It's such a class game but I just can't get any of my older PES mates into it. I keep them telling it requires more than a week of solid playing to actually get to grips with but they ain't having it. So I make it my mission to me obnoxious as possible whenever anyone loads up FIFA

 

[mfmaxpower]

It's such a class game but I just can't get any of my older PES mates into it. I keep them telling it requires more than a week of solid playing to actually get to grips with but they ain't having it. So I make it my mission to me obnoxious as possible whenever anyone loads up FIFA

Same with me. I've gotten one of them to buy PES but the rest say they don't like the controls or the "feel" of the game as much as FIFA. Whatever it may not be, one thing FIFA has going for it is it's accessible, and for those in my age group who don't have as much time as they used to for gaming, that's important.

PES has great depth but that depth is wasted on all those people who don't play enough to fully appreciate it. It'll be interesting to see if Konami tries to work on making the game more accessible in the future. Honestly i don't think they'd need to do much.

 

[romagnoli]

Played a weird MLO game on Saturday.

Silviaycarlos0000 if I remember rightly. Average player OVR in the late teens, including an outfield player in goal (rated 4!). He played 8 behind the halfway line and 2 up front.

It was surprisingly hard to begin with as it was pretty laggy and he loved hacking to break the play up. He also loved spamming the messages whenever a cutscene came up which was tiresome. Started to get control after a while and ended up getting a couple of his men sent off. By the 80th minute I was 4-0 up and had had some 20 shots on target, only being held up by my own fancy pants mucking around. He'd realised I wasn't going to let him get too many red cards so he started OG'ing. Got his first and then tried to long pass it back from kickoff. It went out for a corner so I just hit it right back to my defence and just kept moving the ball up and down the pitch so he couldn't foul or OG.

I got the win. As I waited for the points to come up I thought he might be on something quite high to be playing like this - some sort of exploit of the points system. But when our ratings came up, he only had 246! I didn't get any points at all, and broke even on my earnings.

So, the only reason he was doing this was to try and ruin other people's experiences? He doesn't seem to get anything out of it, unless he gets good money, but how much do you get by getting such a low rating?

I might try and see if I can look up his team later this week and see if he spends anything once he's relegated.

 

[Thespeedster84]

More and more animation, better ai movement pattern/awareness, and tweaked controls responsiveness shouldnt be overlooked for ne.

about ai movement pattern/awareness my example are :
1. In most rebound ball cases,
Cpu ai (opponent) attacker doesn't realize if the shoot he is going to make for he second time is impossible/ridiculouss angle. Meanwhile he has team mate open wide for a pass.

ex by cpu attacker --> shoot --> punch by keeper to the left --> he chase it but my player cover and there is his team mate outside the box standing free --> but guess what ? most of the time turns make 180 deg turn shoot.

2. Throw in,
Whenever my player close down a cpu team mate tightly, the cpu throw the ball to no ones land. Or sometimes towards my player
Oh not to mention throw in near penalty box.. most of the time will be long ball ?

Jeezz..

In this two cases, i should admit FIFA 2011 PC is more smarter.
The only problem is FIFA 2011 feels a bit more flat football game for me.. still wondering why

Watching MU vs tottenham the other day... and spontaneously, OMFG this is so much like PES.. no no... not 2010, PES 6, its PES 2011.. at least the pace.. although FIFA 2011 is superior in terms of number of animations but it doesnt look or feel like what i see from the match..

and i smiled to my self.

Lets say when i compare two very similiar animation between FIFA & PES.. PES DOES feel so much better for me.
I cant imagine how it will be if PES' player model animation is as much as FIFA


PES 2011 is hate and love for me

 

[mr_man]

Well, after much frustration, several losses and draws in a row with the worst of the worst and those who are actually pretty good, I've finally found my lethal formation. Now I know why the high ranked players have it so good.

Take a look at this:

Spoiler

Actual score or rage quits? Take your pick.