PES 2011 Discussion thread

Rob92 said:
I agree - the very poor sides like the ML defaults are in my opinion exaggerated in their lack of quality, in real life I can strike and control the ball better and more consistently than most of the ML default squad, and I'm by my own admission quite rubbish at football.

The very best sides are just too easy to use, you almost feel like you're watching rather than playing when things are so simple to pull off.

Using half-decent teams (i.e. in the Europa League) in my opinion strikes a good balance between the two.
That said, me and some mates used to use all the top teams in offline multiplayer on PES5 and 6 and we had loads of great games.
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Agree 100%! Sometimes feels like the less talented are more than a bit worse than they should be. Maybe it's a way to emphasize the individuality between players?

But yeah, so agree that this game shines when playing with mid-level teams, and it's why the Copa is a perfect fit and a great mode.

It's actually kinda weird for me though - lately I've been getting poor results with Barca and other elite teams, while doing well and having a blast with teams like Coppenhagen. Not sure what's going on there?
 
mfmaxpower said:
Agree 100%! Sometimes feels like the less talented are more than a bit worse than they should be. Maybe it's a way to emphasize the individuality between players?

But yeah, so agree that this game shines when playing with mid-level teams, and it's why the Copa is a perfect fit and a great mode.

It's actually kinda weird for me though - lately I've been getting poor results with Barca and other elite teams, while doing well and having a blast with teams like Coppenhagen. Not sure what's going on there?
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I get the same as you do with your last point.

I've used United, Chelsea, Milan, Barca etc. but I by far play my best football with the lower rated teams. Despite that, I still win more games using those top teams, it's the moments of class that you can pull off with the world class individuals, and the more solid defences. Makes you understand how teams get frustrated in real life when they play nice football and lose matches because of a few flashes of individual brilliance.
 
ollywolly said:
Thumbs up for this project, anything that makes the game more realistic is always a good thing. I'd certainly like to try this and give some feedback if this is available for the PC.

Couple of things though, I'm not sure you understand the aggression stat properly. In PES it doesn't mean how aggressively a player tackles, it means how aggressively they get forward, so someone like De Jong, an aggressive tackler, will have a low aggression stat in the game because he doesn't join the attack much. Someone like Lampard, not really the tackling type, will have a very high aggression stat in game because he makes endless attacking runs. I've never really worked out which stat is equivalent to real life aggression. Not sure there is one to be honest, which is a shame as it would add a lot to realism coming up against your typical dirty bastards and seeing them rack up the yellow cards over a season.

Also, if I'm a top team, I don't think every single game should be a challenge. Look at Wigan losing 9-1 to Spurs last season, 8-0 and 6-0 to Chelsea, Blackpool conceding 6 vs Arsenal, Feyenoord losing 10-0 to PSV, Madrid and Barca often going goal happy in Spain.
I think there still needs to be a discernable gap between the biggest teams and others, allowing me to rest some star players in anticipation of an easier game or perhaps go gung-ho and try to make up some goal difference. However, should I play really badly or if my team form is low and the opposition form is high, there will still be a chance of losing the game.

Of course this is not a put-down of your file, as I haven't even tested it and I hope it turns out to be a great file, making the game more realistic. Just a concern that I hope you can address.
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I have done the same thing the past few years and people shouldn't be concern that all games will be hard. At first it may seem that way, but once you get used to it, you can then beat lesser teams by large score lines, it just doesn't happen often and takes a bit longer to win everything in the master league and even then, you may still struggle to win the league every season

I know what aggression is supposed to do and that its about how attack minded a player is and how often he will join the attack, but in reality it seems to do more. I have a lot of experience of editing the game and playing a game with two teams, then making a very small change and replaying and repeating this and aggression in my eyes makes more of a difference than just who joins in the attack.

Since they added Tenacity I thought they would have split the two factors that I believed aggression was responsible for - attacking and wanting to close down and tackle. But after not touching aggression and then increasing tenacity and playing against teams and then playing again with aggression increased, there is a difference with how teams close you down and how hard the game is.

Since they introduced tenacity it has effected things different again. A player will be more likely to dive into a tackle. I raised De Jong and Cattermoles to nearly 90 and they fly into challanges.

Anyway, hoepfully people will give it a try and like it and give feedback that can improve it again.
 
ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue said:
@max
you're aware of the abilities of the star players and this can damp your own playstyle
maybe u feel forced to do something special too
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Definitely could be it.

How's the saying go? "The best football is the simplest football, but the simplest football is the hardest to play."

Anyways, it might be that I over-complicate things when playing with the likes of Barca, trying to force the magic out of Messi and Iniesta rather than just let it flow.
 
mfmaxpower said:
Anyways, it might be that I over-complicate things when playing with the likes of Barca, trying to force the magic out of Messi and Iniesta rather than just let it flow.
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I always do this. I think I'm controlling "insert star player name here" so I'm gonna do something really special, be it a dribble, a fancy skill or an outrageous pass. More often than not I make a complete mess of it and wish I had just done something simple instead.
 
I've somewhat come to the disappointed conclusion that i'm not interested in ML this year. To me when you take away the fantasy side of it (i.e making your own team from scratch, making kits and badges etc, creating your own unique team often just by putting in some random players alongside the default ML team and making your league structures to your own individual wishes) it's just not as fun as it once was.

Maybe i'm too old school and have too much of an affinity with PES 4/5 to enjoy ML now but I definitely favour the less serious approach over what 2010 and 2011 have to offer me. I think i might just play in the normal league mode with PSG for the mean time. I'm at a loss to understand why they opted to go all uber serious about things when minus maybe the coaching feature another game on the market does the serious stuff way better (in that it has more real leagues and teams i mean).

Does anybody feel a sense of nostalgia/disappointment or is it just me?
 
Northzzz said:
I've somewhat come to the disappointed conclusion that i'm not interested in ML this year. To me when you take away the fantasy side of it (i.e making your own team from scratch, making kits and badges etc, creating your own unique team often just by putting in some random players alongside the default ML team and making your league structures to your own individual wishes) it's just not as fun as it once was.

Maybe i'm too old school and have too much of an affinity with PES 4/5 to enjoy ML now but I definitely favour the less serious approach over what 2010 and 2011 have to offer me. I think i might just play in the normal league mode with PSG for the mean time. I'm at a loss to understand why they opted to go all uber serious about things when minus maybe the coaching feature another game on the market does the serious stuff way better (in that it has more real leagues and teams i mean).

Does anybody feel a sense of nostalgia/disappointment or is it just me?
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I feel the same. I thought it was all about gameplay and that Master League was going to get me hooked this year. It hasn't happened, at least not yet.

I also think it's down to how fantastically immense it was on PES 5/6. Or even on PES 2... Or I just feel nostalgic... There's definitely something missing though...
 
Okay so something's missing here, I've just started the offline Master League. I chose a made up team from Div 2, that I had already edited into my own personal team that I support who aren't in the game, did the whole kit thing, etc etc. I chose to start the ML with the default ML players seeing as all the players in my team were made up anyways.

So I start the game, on Professional level (not sure if choosing the difficulty affects how hard the other parts of ML are, not just the actual game itself), and found that I've got £33 million to spend on players and staff upgrades.

Should I have this much money at the start? It seems kinda odd to me. I've already sunk a ton of money into signing the best youth coaches, scouts etc that the game says are available to sign, and I've already signed a couple of players (Akale from Lens, and Alnwick, a decent young keeper from Spurs).

Is it this easy to get the best facilities/coaches in the game? I haven't even done anything yet. It would be pretty easy if that's it, I can just sit back and watch my youth players just roll in without having the build up the club's stature first.

Speaking of which, there's a youth player that I'll sign in the January window, he's a 19 year old CB and he's already rated at 81! Am I missing something but shouldn't the management side of things be a bit harder than this? I got a new scout for 5 million, and he pretty much convinces all players to sign for me (within reason of course).
 
LTFC said:
Okay so something's missing here, I've just started the offline Master League. I chose a made up team from Div 2, that I had already edited into my own personal team that I support who aren't in the game, did the whole kit thing, etc etc. I chose to start the ML with the default ML players seeing as all the players in my team were made up anyways.

So I start the game, on Professional level (not sure if choosing the difficulty affects how hard the other parts of ML are, not just the actual game itself), and found that I've got £33 million to spend on players and staff upgrades.

Should I have this much money at the start? It seems kinda odd to me. I've already sunk a ton of money into signing the best youth coaches, scouts etc that the game says are available to sign, and I've already signed a couple of players (Akale from Lens, and Alnwick, a decent young keeper from Spurs).

Is it this easy to get the best facilities/coaches in the game? I haven't even done anything yet. It would be pretty easy if that's it, I can just sit back and watch my youth players just roll in without having the build up the club's stature first.

Speaking of which, there's a youth player that I'll sign in the January window, he's a 19 year old CB and he's already rated at 81! Am I missing something but shouldn't the management side of things be a bit harder than this? I got a new scout for 5 million, and he pretty much convinces all players to sign for me (within reason of course).
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I'm curious about this too, as I've heard about some issues with ML, possibly having to do with the team you choose or how you set things up? Also read about a possible bug that happens if you have an OF installed before you start your ML.

Anyways, I'm about to start an ML for the first time on 2011 (been playing the Champs League and Copa, which are both awesome), and I want to make sure I start things right.

@LTFC: Someone said he dealt with starting with too much money by overpaying big time for a player. Maybe worth a shot?

(Oh yeah, and like you guys said, I'm really bumbed about no longer have the create a team feature too.)
 
Here we go:

I'd like to share some information that will probably impact how one uses this option file (and option files in general). The situation is this: Any team that has had it's "Team Name", "Emblem" or "Stadium" altered will be given quite a financial boost at the start of it's Master League campaign. For example, the default PES United (assuming a Division 2 placement) begins with a budget of approximately $3,000,000, a fan club base of around 5000 members, and an appropriately crappy 170 ranking. Change PES United's team name, emblem or stadium before beginning Master League, however, and it will begin with about $35,000,000 in budget, 70000 fan club members, a much higher ranking and a superior coaching staff - even in Division 2 with the default squad chosen. Here are some other examples of "edit boosts":

Default Palermo (Xavrenaguel): [~$40,000,000] [75,000 fcm]
Edited Palermo: [~$70,000,000] [95,000 fcm]

Default Hercules (Hecioguel): [~$15,000,000] [27,000 fcm]
Edited Hercules: [~$45,000,000] [75,000 fcm]

Default Stoke City (The Potteries): [~$19,000,000] [36,000 fcm]
Edited Stoke City: [$66,000,000] [95,000 fcm]

Quite a difference and fairly annoying if you A. Want the most challenging possible start to your ML, and B. Don't want the other low or mid level teams in your ML (the top level teams don't seem to have their starts boosted by the relevant edits, interestingly enough) to be given such advanced financial starts of their own. Luckily, there is a workaround for those who wish to begin with an edited team's "default" starting position:

1. With your finalized "edit data" configuration (e.g option file and any changes made) in place, load up the game.

2. Change your team's "Team Name", "Emblem" and "Home Ground" to their defaults (green triangle). If you wish, do the same for any other team that has had at least one of these fields edited.

3. Back out of the edit screen but do not save the edit data when prompted.

4. Begin your Master League with your chosen team (the newly default version, obviously) and save your progress at the first opportunity.

5. Reload the game or back out to the top menu and load your edit data file.

6. Load your ML save. Voila! You'll return to your saved starting position but with your edited team name, emblem, etc. back in place.
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Don't know if that'll do the trick as i havent started a ML yet but worth a try. A friend pointed me to that at PESgaming.com: http://www.pesgaming.com/showpost.php?p=1673104&postcount=234
 
Rob92 said:
I agree - the very poor sides like the ML defaults are in my opinion exaggerated in their lack of quality, in real life I can strike and control the ball better and more consistently than most of the ML default squad, and I'm by my own admission quite rubbish at football.
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My experience with the default ML team leads to to disagree with this. Infact there have been times when I thought that some of them are too good, Minanda has produced some really good finishes and Dodos close control has at times been amazing. Sure there is the occasional bad touch but on the whole they are a very competent bunch. Just make sure you are aware of their body position, balance, any pressure and what the ball is doing and you should do fine with them.
 
_anderson said:
I feel the same. I thought it was all about gameplay and that Master League was going to get me hooked this year. It hasn't happened, at least not yet.

I also think it's down to how fantastically immense it was on PES 5/6. Or even on PES 2... Or I just feel nostalgic... There's definitely something missing though...
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Before I started playing the PES2011 demo I had just finished a PES5 ML and I do not see any way in which the old ML was better than it is now.
Master League, in my case anyway, always takes a couple of seasons to really pull you in. Once you have made a few signings and established a way of playing with your team is when it begins to take off. I am finding it boring at the moment but I remember having that feeling in every ML in every PES I have played before. Give it time.

Northzzz you say it is too serious but the only added depth I can see is the staff, youth team & sponsors. So all you have to do is pick a guy for each staff position which takes a minute or two, check to see if you want to sign anyone from your youth team and agree to a sponsorship deal every now and again, its hardly like playing Football Manager is it.
 
sattan_hussein said:
Even if you do those tricks to start with low funds, you earn too much money anyway. Gate receipts of a single CL match is enough to buy an 80+ rated player...
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I dont understand why anyone would want to start a ML with a team already in the Champions League and I guess with a real squad, the challenge and fun is in getting to this point not starting at it.
 
I agree, i never understand those people who play a ML with very big teams like Man UTd, Barcelona, Real Madrid...
The challenge is to lead a bunch of minnows to European glory. It's been ages since i have won the CL while playing PES. I remember once winning the treble with a Parma team, that must have been PES4...
Reached the semi-finals of the CL with Atalanta in PES6 and then got slaughtered by a very young Messi...
 
gerd said:
I agree, i never understand those people who play a ML with very big teams like Man UTd, Barcelona, Real Madrid...
The challenge is to lead a bunch of minnows to European glory. It's been ages since i have won the CL while playing PES. I remember once winning the treble with a Parma team, that must have been PES4...
Reached the semi-finals of the CL with Atalanta in PES6 and then got slaughtered by a very young Messi...
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I always pick Valladolid or Gijon. Once the patches with the lower divisions are out, I used to use Hercules last year, but now they are top flight, so I think that Alcorcon will do. Mainly because they ousted Madrid out of the CDR last year.
 
Just scored my first sweet volley, i.e not one of those ridiculous bicycle kicks. Is there any way to upload saved replays from the Xbox 360 without having to record them off a cam? My phone doesn't posses one :II

My most common type of goal seems to be Fuller cutting in from the left and curling it low into the bottom far corner ala Theirry Henry. The rest of them seem are from all over the shop, Jimenez jinking into the box and placing it, Gervinho on a break away, Perotta popping up in the box to scramble on in, D'Agostino curling in a freekick, hell even had Valeny pop up in the box to shin one in.

Got back into the 500s now I'm no longer being disconnected, although I'm not sure I want to promote to D2.
 
Ern Dog said:
I dont understand why anyone would want to start a ML with a team already in the Champions League and I guess with a real squad, the challenge and fun is in getting to this point not starting at it.
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That's not my point. Ordinary league games also give you enough money to buy good players/staff. And I completely agree that the fun is to get to play CL. But it is so easy you can do it after two seasons. Then you get loads of money, beat an Barça team with an attacking four of Ronaldo-Messi-CPUCheating-Pato and realize the challenge is gone.

I just think it should be harder than that. Of course one can go the hardcore way: forget the money, don't sign any players nor staff, but then it's still as unrealistic as before.
 
dannyfc2 said:
Just scored my first sweet volley, i.e not one of those ridiculous bicycle kicks. Is there any way to upload saved replays from the Xbox 360 without having to record them off a cam? My phone doesn't posses one :II

My most common type of goal seems to be Fuller cutting in from the left and curling it low into the bottom far corner ala Theirry Henry. The rest of them seem are from all over the shop, Jimenez jinking into the box and placing it, Gervinho on a break away, Perotta popping up in the box to scramble on in, D'Agostino curling in a freekick, hell even had Valeny pop up in the box to shin one in.

Got back into the 500s now I'm no longer being disconnected, although I'm not sure I want to promote to D2.
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Unfortunately there's nothing like FIFA's video upload feature.

I use my digital camera - most of them have the ability to take video clips, mine even captures audio :) The camera on my phone sucks, 1.3 megapixels I think and doesn't even have video capture :P.

So if you have a digital camera, try that :).
 
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WENB Option File coming tomorrow :

Just want to update you guys, I'll be releasing an update for the BLES 20 OF tomorrow afternoon/evening.

The file shall contain:

- Full Bundesliga with rosters, kits, stats, formations, numbers etc.
- Bursaspor & Partizan Belgrade added to European section with full kits, correct rosters, they are also re-arranged into correct order i.e. Bursaspor moved beside Galatasaray.
- Updated appearances of many players e.g. new hair for Micah Richards, Ozil etc
- I'm trying to add all national kits, some Asian teams may be missing though
- All fake national player names will be corrected (however everytime I try to edit Serbia/Montenegro, the game freezes and I have to restart, so may leave them out)
- I'm base-copying over major players from PES shop to created players section
- Correcting as many shop player names as possible
- More stadiums will be added with correct ad-boards
- I'll try and correct classic national teams may don't think I have enough points to
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sattan_hussein said:
That's not my point. Ordinary league games also give you enough money to buy good players/staff. And I completely agree that the fun is to get to play CL. But it is so easy you can do it after two seasons. Then you get loads of money, beat an Barça team with an attacking four of Ronaldo-Messi-CPUCheating-Pato and realize the challenge is gone.

I just think it should be harder than that. Of course one can go the hardcore way: forget the money, don't sign any players nor staff, but then it's still as unrealistic as before.
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Yeah I realise thats not your point, I agree money is a issue. I seen Kenwyne Jones was going for about £500,000 Stoke must have paid about 20X that in the summer.
What I used to do was impose a transfer & salary cap on myself to make things more interesting and realistic, any idiot can win games with a superstar team you just gotta look at MLO to see that.
 
Does anyone know of any websites that will convert saved replays into video?

Back in the day on the PS2 there was a website that did it via a certain memory card (forgotten the name) but the website doesn't exist any more.
 
The first version of my edited game play option file will be released tomorrow.

After editing the Spanish and Italian leagues over the last few days, it looks like a lot of the changes I have been putting in for a few years were kind of added by konami this year in a half arsed way.

One of the things I do is raise the teamwork, aggression and tenacity of teams and some in these league have been raised similarly to the way I do it, but for some reason some teams have been completely missed out. If you look at the default stats of most spanish teams they have these stats at the lower 80's this year, then for no reason at all teams like Valancia have had these changes missed and they have the same stats they have always had.

Also, this appears to have been done in some leagues and not others with these changes missed completely in the premier league.
 
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