PES 2011 Discussion thread

OK all you willfully ignorant people lets see what proper team management can do for you.
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Pic 1. Situation like that which nerf loves to pick on. Badstuber at left back in possession, 3 players in silly positions with no sense of space, Ribery, Olic & Van bommel too close not making use of the space around. First things first lets set Van Bommel to DMF to cover the space behind and as Barca have a very high back line I will pull my own right back to give me more space in my half to play in.

Pic 2. Same situation, Van bommel is now deeper and able to cover the space behind, Ribery still not making use of space on the wing and Olic is too deep.

Pic 3. This shows that Olic will drop into the greyed out areas of the pitch, which is exactly what he is doing in the first 2 pics because the high Barca line is puching him back, I believe he also has stats what make him come deep to get into the game. I do not want this from a player in that position so I sub him for Klose.

Pic 4. Same situation again but now as pic 2 Van bommel is nice and deep as a DMF covering the space left by my advancing side back and deep CBs, Klose is on and he is pushed up the pitch where I would expect my CF to be, the change of player has worked perfectly. Ribery is still not making use of that space on the wing, must make some gameplan changes, go and move some sliders and alter Riberys position on the pitch.

Pic 5. Van Bommel still in a nice position covering, Klose is not in the same position as pic 4 but he is running into the space ahead making himself available for the pass. Ribery is tight to the line and sprinting off into the space left by Alves. Muller is starting a run in behimd the defense and Robben is also just getting ready to run into the space left by the Barca left back.

So the AI does not make use of space or make runs huh?

Its all down to good team management, these pics were taken with the ball at almost the same place on the pitch each time, I played the ball from the CB's to the RB then back to the CB's and out to Badstuber at LB and moved him into roughly the same position. The different positions and attitude of the other players is down to gameplan tweaking. The teams come preset but that setting will not work for every team, if any, it is up to you to get your team playing right by being able to spot the problems and react to them, that is what a manager does and is what makes the game soo good, it is not just about pressing a few buttons to knock a ball from player to player.
 
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DagsJT said:
So is flicking the right stick without holding any triggers just stepovers then? It definately did something anyway :LOL:
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So confusing - perhaps its all explained in the manual. The 'Control List' doesnt seem to explain it well. Also doesnt help that i change my default controls - I'm set up like this;

TRI - Shoot
SQU - Dash
CRO - Pass
CIR - Lob
L1 - Through ball
R1 - Dunno what to call it, but use it to 1-2
L2 - Manual pass
R2 - Control shot

I'm pretty sure like Dags says, there are two levels of right stick tricks. Without L2 (in my case) - so rolling it right does a step over or pushing in a direction will do one of the 4 'linked' skills.

With L2 is special player skills


Shame they made it so complex. Like they tried to cram too many ideas onto the right stick. I love the fact you can assign your own skills, just needs a bit or refining.

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Oh and Dags, when you go into the 'assign tricks' section, there are tricks in there for standing, moving and dashing.
 
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Jimmy G-Force said:
I wouldnt worry Prof, it isnt.

Remember to click the tab of the bottom of the screen that states, Level, Leading, Trailing. You can then set varying tactics for different times in the match, depending on if your Level, Leading or Trailing.

For example, if your trailing, you can set All-Out Attack to come into play between 45-90 minutes if you like. There is also a top and bottom line. The top line is where you insert your primary tactics, such as All-Out Attack. On the line below it, maybe choose Attacking Possession to compliment your All-Out Attack. Just make sure that the tactics you preset, dont contradict each other.
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Sounds good, once i see how it plays out. I still like my manual settings that i punch in and out when i like though, heh.
 
DagsJT said:
So is flicking the right stick without holding any triggers just stepovers then? It definately did something anyway :LOL:
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There are so many different ways in PES 2011 to dribble and perform tricks/feints/body swerves etc etc.

Right Stick by itself - Simple feints, step-overs, body-swerves etc. These are all pretty much related to the player and his dribbling, technique, agility and body balance stats. The higher those levels are, the more they can attempt with the Right Stick alone.

Right Stick and a direction and L1-These are the feints/tricks that you preset via the Feint Link screen. I have always only set one feint per direction, but after playing around with this system, I have now bought into the mutiple feints per direction. Although I still find applying 4 to be a little unrealistic and 'arcadey', I'm really seeing the benefit of appying 2, as long as they compliment each other. For example, Dragback, followed by Stepover. I only ever use the subtle feints though when I link them. They look more realistic, and I can now appreciate the thinking behind this system linking two together, it happens in real life generally if you think about it. Especially the subtle ones, I'm not talking Inside Bounce followed by a stupid Rainbow Flick. ( Are you listening Zee ? :CONFUSE: )

Right Stick and a direction with L2- These are feints/tricks that are player specific and relate to the skill Player Cards. For example, Iniesta has Drag Roll as a Player Card, and pressing L2+ left on the Right Stick will perform this with him, but it wont with Puyol. Using the L2+ Right Stick direction will give you different feints/tricks based soley on the player your controlling and his stats. Defenders for example may have only one simple feint with this system, and you have to work out what direction on the Right Stick with L2 performs it. I dont use this system alot, and wont until I know in my own mind my players and what they do, otherwise it's all guess work.

R2 with a direction on the Left Stick- This is utilise the close control option and keep the ball close to your body. In tight situations, with 'dribblers' or high technique players, just move the Left Stick in the direction you wish to move the ball whilst holding R2. Very effective, and criminally over-looked by many.

R2- Hold R2 as the pass approaches to left your player let the ball run through. Time it right, and you use the momentum of the pass to keep the ball moving as you player opens his body up. Also great for first-touch control, especially with high technique players.

Left Stick- Excellent for body-swerves, shoulder feints, and very subtle changes in direction with players with high technique and dribbling skills. Just move the stick from one relevant direction to it's opposite to see your player drop his shoulder, or use his two feet to go outside and back inside. Great for wrong-footing the opposition as you shift your weight.

Hope this helps......
 
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Ern Dog said:
OK all you willfully ignorant people lets see what proper team management can do for you.
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Pic 1. Situation like that which nerf loves to pick on. Badstuber at left back in possession, 3 players in silly positions with no sense of space, Ribery, Olic & Van bommel too close not making use of the space around. First things first lets set Van Bommel to DMF to cover the space behind and as Barca have a very high back line I will pull my own right back to give me more space in my half to play in.

Pic 2. Same situation, Van bommel is now deeper and able to cover the space behind, Ribery still not making use of space on the wing and Olic is too deep.

Pic 3. This shows that Olic will drop into the greyed out areas of the pitch, which is exactly what he is doing in the first 2 pics because the high Barca line is puching him back, I believe he also has stats what make him come deep to get into the game. I do not want this from a player in that position so I sub him for Klose.

Pic 4. Same situation again but now as pic 2 Van bommel is nice and deep as a DMF covering the space left by my advancing side back and deep CBs, Klose is on and he is pushed up the pitch where I would expect my CF to be, the change of player has worked perfectly. Ribery is still not making use of that space on the wing, must make some gameplan changes, go and move some sliders and alter Riberys position on the pitch.

Pic 5. Van Bommel still in a nice position covering, Klose is not in the same position as pic 4 but he is running into the space ahead making himself available for the pass. Ribery is tight to the line and sprinting off into the space left by Alves. Muller is starting a run in behimd the defense and Robben is also just getting ready to run into the space left by the Barca left back.

So the AI does not make use of space or make runs huh?

Its all down to good team management, these pics were taken with the ball at almost the same place on the pitch each time, I played the ball from the CB's to the RB then back to the CB's and out to Badstuber at LB and moved him into roughly the same position. The different positions and attitude of the other players is down to gameplan tweaking. The teams come preset but that setting will not work for every team, if any, it is up to you to get your team playing right by being able to spot the problems and react to them, that is what a manager does and is what makes the game soo good, it is not just about pressing a few buttons to knock a ball from player to player.
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Good post. I think you're spot on, and couldn't have explained the rewards of PES's team management much better at all.

On a different note, has anyone noticed in any of these builds & demos flying around that if the CPU team get a free kick anywhere between 20 & 35 yards out just left of centre, they'll 90% of the time use a right-footed player who aims 10 yards wide of the right-hand post and strikes what can only be described as a crap-shot-cum-crap-cross-cum-fail? I get it all the time, especially with that ogre Zlatan.
 
Jimmy G-Force said:
There are so many different ways in PES 2011 to dribble and perform tricks/feints/body swerves etc etc.

Right Stick by itself - Simple feints, step-overs, body-swerves etc. These are all pretty much related to the player and his dribbling, technique, agility and body balance stats. The higher those levels are, the more they can attempt with the Right Stick alone.

Right Stick and a direction and L1-These are the feints/tricks that you preset via the Feint Link screen. I have always only set one feint per direction, but after playing around with this system, I have now bought into the mutiple feints per direction. Although I still find applying 4 to be a little unrealistic and 'arcadey', I'm really seeing the benefit of appying 2, as long as they compliment each other. For example, Dragback, followed by Stepover. I only ever use the subtle feints though when I link them. They look more realistic, and I can now appreciate the thinking behind this system linking two together, it happens in real life generally if you think about it. Especially the subtle ones, I'm not talking Inside Bounce followed by a stupid Rainbox Flick. ( Are you listening Zee ? :CONFUSE: )

Right Stick and a direction with L2- These are feints/tricks that are player specific and relate to the skill Player Cards. For example, Iniesta has Drag Roll as a Player Card, and pressing L2+ left on the Right Stick will perform this with him, but it wont with Puyol. Using the L2+ Right Stick direction will give you different feints/tricks based soley on the player your controlling and his stats. Defenders for example may have only one simple feint with this system, and you have to work out what direction on the Right Stick with L2 performs it. I dont use this system alot, and wont until I know in my own mind my players and what they do, otherwise it's all guess work.

R2 with a direction on the Left Stick- This is utilise the close control option and keep the ball close to your body. In tight situations, with 'dribblers' or high technique players, just move the Left Stick in the direction you wish to move the ball whilst holding R2. Very effective, and criminally over-looked by many.

R2- Hold R2 as the pass approaches to left your player let the ball run through. Time it right, and you use the momentum of the pass to keep the ball moving as you player opens his body up. Also great for first-touch control, especially with high technique players.

Left Stick- Excellent for body-swerves, shoulder feints, and very subtle changes in direction with players with high technique and dribbling skills. Just move the stick from one relevant direction to it's opposite to see your player drop his shoulder, or use his two feet to go outside and back inside. Great for wrong-footing the opposition as you shift your weight.

Hope this helps......
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This is the deep gameplay I'm talking about...even with the single use of the Left Stick and a simple use of the right Stick you can get some nice feints.
One of the things I can't get is the complex system of feints of FIFA with his tricky controls.
Even if you want to do some basic moves in FIFA like you do in PES with the R2 that succeed in rapid change of direction that completely drive a defender insane YOU SIMPLY CAN'T. At least so effectively like I do in PES.
 
Just want to clarify, now that I have a PES 2011 version for Xbox360, that you INDEED can create stadiums and assignate them to Copa Libertadores team or even unlicensed teams. Just choose them and back, the selection will be stored.
Tested myself personally, not sure if this have been discussed in the last 8 pages :P

Polter2K, si se puede poner los estadios creados en los equipos sin licencia e incluso en los de la Copa Libertadores!
 
Putuco Malo said:
Just want to clarify, now that I have a PES 2011 version for Xbox360, that you INDEED can create stadiums and assignate them to Copa Libertadores team or even unlicensed teams. Just choose them and back, the selection will be stored.
Tested myself personally, not sure if this have been discussed in the last 8 pages :P

Polter2K, si se puede poner los estadios creados en los equipos sin licencia e incluso en los de la Copa Libertadores!
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So while scrolling through the stadium images, you have any other buttons other than Y to reset to default and B to go back? Or you choose move to the stadium you want and then press B to go back and it stores the last stadium you had on the screen?
 
What is the default stadium for Spurs?

Disappointed that I can't assign a created White Hart Lane to them, I hope Konami are still working on it and release it as DLC at some point.
 
I dont really understand italian, but the commentators havent developed much. Where are the keeper names, where are the players names in different situations such as team names (only appearing at the intro)??? Thats it?
And im not impressed with the stadium editor either, i wanted to build the Puskas Ferenc Stadium which is almost the most simple stadium in the world, but i couldnt.
And the line ups....ehhmmm the hungarian national team is the same as in pes 10.
The gameplay is ok.
Im dissapointed a little, i should try the another footy game too.
 
I dont want to start off a whole FIFA vs PES thing again, but I tried the FIFA 11 Demo, and it's crap, how reviewers can give it 91% and call it the "best football game ever" is beyond belief. How anyone can pay out £30-40 for something that has changed so little is madness.

Anyway, just my two cents.
 
had it for about a hour now and haven't even played a game. looked at some stats, (dawson 86 king 80 woodgate 83) now im in the practice mode letting of a few form 29m with bale.....its just like the good old days.

bale 78....shocking
 
gabe.paul.logan said:
I dont really understand italian, but the commentators havent developed much. Where are the keeper names, where are the players names in different situations such as team names (only appearing at the intro)??? Thats it?
And im not impressed with the stadium editor either, i wanted to build the Puskas Ferenc Stadium which is almost the most simple stadium in the world, but i couldnt.
And the line ups....ehhmmm the hungarian national team is the same as in pes 10.
The gameplay is ok.
Im dissapointed a little, i should try the another footy game too.
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I'm sure there's around 52 parts to purchase with PES points in the PES shop, judging by a video I saw. Perhaps they'll help? Hope so.

Simcut said:
I dont want to start off a whole FIFA vs PES thing again, but I tried the FIFA 11 Demo, and it's crap, how reviewers can give it 91% and call it the "best football game ever" is beyond belief. How anyone can pay out £30-40 for something that has changed so little is madness.

Anyway, just my two cents.
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I know what you mean mate, I finally deleted the FIFA demo off the PS3 the other day after giving it more chances but it's one of the clearest indications yet of reviewers being paid / sucked off. It caters for a particular crowd very well, but not even well enough to get a 9 out of 10 or equivalent. It's the MW2 of footy games, it's quick to get into, flashy, dramatic, less learning curve and online is mostly infuriating.

PES is more like a Killzone 2.
 
Expander said:
Reading 3 pages of cracking posts on the ai and attacking runs i wanted to add my take on this subject.

What some people IMO are failing to realise with pes2011 is you have more manual control of the players with your player switch(cursor),so at times if a player is static and not moving when the cpu has the ball,you have the option of clicking back to the player and controlling his movement off the ball rather then the cpu holding your hand and controlling all these movements
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Yeh isn't that exactly the same as trigger run except that you control the player you want to run forward manually.

The player manually runs into space because you're telling him to albeit in a different way but the the result is the same. The only way it wouldn't be the same is if you manually ran into space backwards but as had been covered the AI in this game doesn't tend to play backwards, they are always look at going forward.

What with trigger runs being easier it means you have to be less 'lazy' (as you put it) but it has been talked about that in pressure situations the type of method you are speaking about may be far too difficult/annoying to pull off consistently.
 
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Just want to clarify, now that I have a PES 2011 version for Xbox360, that you INDEED can create stadiums and assignate them to Copa Libertadores team or even unlicensed teams. Just choose them and back, the selection will be stored.
Tested myself personally, not sure if this have been discussed in the last 8 pages

Polter2K, si se puede poner los estadios creados en los equipos sin licencia e incluso en los de la Copa Libertadores!


So you can assign a created stadium to a team and then play with this created stadium in the ML or Champions League or Copa Libertadores?
How many stadia can you create?

Thanks
 
fernadez said:
had it for about a hour now and haven't even played a game. looked at some stats, (dawson 86 king 80 woodgate 83) now im in the practice mode letting of a few form 29m with bale.....its just like the good old days.

bale 78....shocking
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Does Bale look like his real life counterpart? I remember in the older PES he look nothing like him.
 
DagsJT said:
So while scrolling through the stadium images, you have any other buttons other than Y to reset to default and B to go back? Or you choose move to the stadium you want and then press B to go back and it stores the last stadium you had on the screen?
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Yes Dags, that is correct. You only select the stadium you want (I created one and I chose it with Arsenal/North London). then go back. When you enter again you see that stadium selected. Same with Copa Libertadores teams.

tobi said:
What is the default stadium for Spurs?

Disappointed that I can't assign a created White Hart Lane to them, I hope Konami are still working on it and release it as DLC at some point.
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You will be able to add a created stadium to Tottenham I guess... at least with licensed teams of Copa Libertadores you are able to edit the stadium where the team plays... anyway I will confirm later Tobi...

man city said:
So you can assign a created stadium to a team and then play with this created stadium in the ML or Champions League or Copa Libertadores?
How many stadia can you create?

Thanks
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I think so. At least you can edit the stadium where those teams play. I did not test in the field but would be absurd that you are able to change the stadium in the edit mode and not see it in the Copa mode or Master League...
 
Ah what a game!!!

Much like the old PES, the more you play it, the more it opens up and you notice so many little touches.

Put it on -2 to test it out and was so nice. Didnt really use the sprint button much at all, which was an absolute joy. Just little feints, stop and gos, turns etc. So much more realistic and fun than just sprinting down the wing.

Lots of little passes into space (using the manual modifier), few tricks etc. Absolutely love it, cannot wait for the full game now!

Just one question - and thanks Jimmy for the 'tricks' tips - but one thing I havent understood since it was announced really, is how do you use the 'linked' tricks? I.e. do you have to tap it 'down' 4 times to do the 4 tricks in the down section, or hold it down??
 
One thing I've also noticed is that if the CPU is getting beat around the 75-80 min mark, you get tons of space if your tactics are set to counter-attack at that time. The CPU goes for it and there's space all over the pitch, really gives a great feeling when you pull off a quality counter :)
 
DagsJT said:
One thing I've also noticed is that if the CPU is getting beat around the 75-80 min mark, you get tons of space if your tactics are set to counter-attack at that time. The CPU goes for it and there's space all over the pitch, really gives a great feeling when you pull off a quality counter :)
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Defo get space. In the game I just had above, was leading 1-0 against Chivas around 80 mins gone. Won the ball in my 3rd, looked at the radar and saw my striker it oceans where their left back should have been. Pinged a beauty of a manual diagonal putting him clean through.

Blew the chance, but it looked good and hey - intelligent CPU movement into space, hows about that?
 
Mark said:
Speaking of Copa Libertadores... are we able to play friendlies between the Copa teams?
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Yep. When selecting the Copa option on the main screen, you can either do a friendly or a tournament. The friendly is done with the Copa presentation etc. Same with the Champions League.
 
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