PES 2011 Discussion thread

Gab_ said:
Konami has to get the leader types back by giving them what they want, and that is a more realistic experience than FIFA. However in today's world I guess online plays a major part for a lot of leader types too. If Konami makes a good game but still can't match FIFA Clubs (10 vs 10) then I think you'd still have plenty leader types sticking with FIFA (but not the majority).
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U dont really need 10 vs 10, its nice to have such option in the game, but 5vs5 or 6vs6 f.e. is good enough.
We need to have option to play with our friends games against human opponents from all over the world feels just so rewarding when you can create your own team and play as team online.
Its all about gameplay but still its a game, u want to have fun playing that, and for that matter u need good online modes, otherwise people will play that other game.
 
BillyBoy said:
You leaked some screens early last year. How about again this year? ;)
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poco a poco, tampoco hago magia jejej

el juego este año saldra antes que el año pasado, lo cual me asalta una duda que ya iremos conociendo

¿estaran todos los fichajes hechos?

seguiremos informando
 
Gab_ said:
You're right, the leader types don't judge the final product from the hype. Obviously they can get into the pre release hype because they want it to be good. But if the game doesn't deliver they won't switch back to PES just because of the hype that builds up before the release.

There were a lot of leader types that switched to FIFA 08 even if the hype was very low and it didn't get that good reviews. PES was still the game that was "cool to like" or "the game to like if you know anything about football", because like I said the casual masses lags behind.

If you went to different forums that didn't have anything to do with PES or FIFA you would only see people talk good about PES even up to early FIFA 09. Then you could see the transition when finally the lagging behind was done, and now 90% rate FIFA as the cool game and everyone that talk good about PES get thumbs down.

Konami has to get the leader types back by giving them what they want, and that is a more realistic experience than FIFA. However in today's world I guess online plays a major part for a lot of leader types too. If Konami makes a good game but still can't match FIFA Clubs (10 vs 10) then I think you'd still have plenty leader types sticking with FIFA (but not the majority).

Konami does have a good advantage still I think because the leader types have been playing PES for a long time and only played FIFA for 2-3 years. So even if leader types generally isn't fanboys, since they switch to the best game, they obviously still have fond memories of the PES series and probably feel a bit "like home" when playing it.

I they can bring back good response times coupled with smoother animations (IK based) then I think they've gone a long way by "only" doing that. Add to that a proper collision system and make the ball completely free again (in PES 2010 it moves around to suit the animations instead of players ice skating to the ball) and maybe let us have more control over the length and direction of passes (but not manual as FIFA has because it removes individuality).

The main reason that made me go back to PES even if I don't really like PES 2010 is the chaotic events that happens all the time in PES (and real life). Any player close to the ball can attack it and the keeper's saves are not scripted at all so you never know what will happen. I love that feeling, and this doesn't exist in FIFA at all because they only allow 1 player from each team to attack the ball and they got super scripted keepers that makes the same saves over and over again.
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now there is something i have to agree with u completely the fact that PES lost all online gamers due to the fact that the game has to be the worst online game on the next gen consoles.
when we think of all those players that love playing against human opponents instead of the comp a/i they really f****d up big time in that department.

were i live this is not that big of an issue yet, but the fact remains that the rating of the game increases with popularity when its playable online and their is no other way to gather more fans like a game that's great online.

so simply put KONAMI shot themselves in the foot by releasing these next gen games that suck online.
not that FIFA'S football games are that great but they are better online and that matters A LOT.
 
tc811 said:
well said. It's not that EA have produced an excellent football game in FIFA, but that PES didn't improve enough to win back the fans it lost to FIFA. I remember PES being a lot less laggy online 2-3 years ago, but with games like Call of Duty it really shouldn't be an excuse for KONAMI to produce a sub-par online experience. The biggest piece of news that I'm waiting for is a genuinely revamped online mode, because I wasn't satisfied by the online part of the game.
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Yeh that's true but the bit that i underlined proves my original point about reviewers rating games not on how good that game is but in comparison to similar games and past incarnations.

Fifa isn't a 10/10 game at all but that's the way it's rated because people look at it in comparison to the past Fifa games and go, for Fifa 09, 'well it's better than Fifa 2008 and we gave that an 8 so we HAVE to give this a higher score' (i don't think it is personally better in every category). Then it seems to continue in this trend, hence why Fifa 10 got constant 9 and 10's. They thought it was better than Fifa 09 and had already rated that with 9's across the board.

Football games are sly dogs, all they have to do is appear smoother and at first they seem amazing.

If PES gets back on track with two good games in a row (arguably it could show with PES 2010 and 2011)then it'll follow the same path. I don't agree with that this is the way that reviews should be conducted but it seems to be the way.

A bit like how the COD games now get 9's/10's based on the success of COD4.
 
Gab_ said:
You're right, the leader types don't judge the final product from the hype. Obviously they can get into the pre release hype because they want it to be good. But if the game doesn't deliver they won't switch back to PES just because of the hype that builds up before the release.

There were a lot of leader types that switched to FIFA 08 even if the hype was very low and it didn't get that good reviews. PES was still the game that was "cool to like" or "the game to like if you know anything about football", because like I said the casual masses lags behind.

If you went to different forums that didn't have anything to do with PES or FIFA you would only see people talk good about PES even up to early FIFA 09. Then you could see the transition when finally the lagging behind was done, and now 90% rate FIFA as the cool game and everyone that talk good about PES get thumbs down.

Konami has to get the leader types back by giving them what they want, and that is a more realistic experience than FIFA. However in today's world I guess online plays a major part for a lot of leader types too. If Konami makes a good game but still can't match FIFA Clubs (10 vs 10) then I think you'd still have plenty leader types sticking with FIFA (but not the majority).

Konami does have a good advantage still I think because the leader types have been playing PES for a long time and only played FIFA for 2-3 years. So even if leader types generally isn't fanboys, since they switch to the best game, they obviously still have fond memories of the PES series and probably feel a bit "like home" when playing it.

I they can bring back good response times coupled with smoother animations (IK based) then I think they've gone a long way by "only" doing that. Add to that a proper collision system and make the ball completely free again (in PES 2010 it moves around to suit the animations instead of players ice skating to the ball) and maybe let us have more control over the length and direction of passes (but not manual as FIFA has because it removes individuality).

The main reason that made me go back to PES even if I don't really like PES 2010 is the chaotic events that happens all the time in PES (and real life). Any player close to the ball can attack it and the keeper's saves are not scripted at all so you never know what will happen. I love that feeling, and this doesn't exist in FIFA at all because they only allow 1 player from each team to attack the ball and they got super scripted keepers that makes the same saves over and over again.
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I think you make a good point. When i mentioned hype i didn't mean the pre-hype before a game, i meant the hype that came from the last version of the game.

It's pretty clear to see that PES 2008 was rated as 'cool' because of the response and general liking people had of PES 6 and in that the the previous versions of PES. There's no way most of those reviews would have given PES 2008 over a 6/7 if it had of been fair review.
 
Well the Blue Sky Team announcement seem to have had the desired effect of getting the hardcore whipped into a frenzy...!
 
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romagnoli said:
Well the Blue Sky Team announcement seem to have had the desired effect of getting the hardcore whipped into a frenzy...!
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Take a look at the WENB board. They've gone through three PES 2011 news and rumors threads already, and there hasn't even been one piece of news released.
 
tc811 said:
Take a look at the WENB board. They've gone through three PES 2011 news and rumors threads already, and there hasn't even been one piece of news released.
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Yeah, it's a bit OTT to say the least. I'm eager to find out what's actually happening, of course, but the Blue Sky team already seem overly romanticized.
 
tc811 said:
Take a look at the WENB board. They've gone through three PES 2011 news and rumors threads already, and there hasn't even been one piece of news released.
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It's a bit crazy but I think some of them are trying to extract as much hints and info from Adam as they can rather than wait for the news.

Credit to WENB, though, at least they have a passionate bunch of PES fans. No other PES site is making much of the first news. Understandable given the last few years, but sad all the same.
 
OMG!!!!!! OVER 1000 NEW MOTION CAPTURED ANIMATIONS, POWER BARS FOR EVERY TYPE OF PASS AND SHOT, 360 DEGREE MOVEMENT, PASSING & SHOOTING!!!
 
For those who cant access the official website:

PES 2011: Football Evolved

Total revamp, total freedom, total football

Konami Digital Entertainment GmbH will deliver a completely new footballing experience later this year with the advent of PES 2011, for PlayStation®3, Xbox 360, PC-DVD, Wii, PlayStation 2 and PSP (PlayStation®Portable), which sees the publisher's long-running series undergo the most radical revamp in its history.


The PES range has long been regarded as offering incredible realism and control, but PES 2011 will reinvigorate the series with the most advanced raft of gameplay additions, control options, and animations to meet the evolution of real-life football. Central to its total freedom of play, PES 2011 introduces a power bar for each player that allows the user to determine the exact strength and placement of every pass and shot. Balls can now be spread absolutely anywhere with utter precision, with long balls into space, short passes to feet and intricate one-twos allowing the player to dictate play and control the tempo of a match.

This freedom of play is also extended via new AI routines designed to place every move and decision in the player's hands. No longer will assisted AI intervene during matches; users will now need to sense and react to threats; and passes will not automatically reach the nearest player. Instead, all-new routines facilitate complete control both of the player and their chosen actions in every respect to give the player sublime control over every movement.

"It was time for PES to transform, and PES 2011 represents the most ambitious redesign in the series' history," commented Jon Murphy, European PES Team Leader for Konami Digital Entertainment GmbH. "We've continued to work closely with the fans to pinpoint what it is about football that PES didn't do. Total freedom was the priority and all-new animation a must. PES 2011 does both - indeed, they are directly linked to each other - and while the new game is recognisably PES at its heart, it is also the most radically improved version ever."

Key to PES 2011's new approach is a specially-designed control system that allows total control over every element of play. The triangulation of passes and making space using clever runs becomes paramount, and build-up play is everything. Likewise, dribbling and close control are tougher to master, and the days of making streaking runs through the centre of the park are over, as PES mirrors the real-life football.

The result is the most complete and realistic PES to date. PES 2011 delivers an evolved experience that still has the key PES ehthos of skill and realism at its core. Likewise, every other aspect of the game has been totally reworked, including:


Total Control: PES Productions has enhanced the 360-degree passing ratio, offering unprecedented levels of control over every pass, shot, throw-in, through ball and lofted through balls. This allows users to pass the ball into space, and move their play with total freedom. Players must precisely weight their passes and second-guess the runs of their team-mates and exploit their movement. Players even can apply pressure on opponents to force them off the ball.

Shot & Stamina Gauge: In addition to the generic power gauge, the Shot & Stamina meter details the player's exact level of fitness. Constantly sprinting will affect the player's movements and will have an adverse affect on his stats, with passes going awry and a loss of pace.

New Defender AI: Defenders now hold their positions naturally, no longer chasing any ball that enters their area; preferring to close down the attacker and force them into a mistake.

Animation and Player Physics: PES Productions has totally reworked every element of in-game animation. These additions will become clear before even kick-off, with the players enjoying fluid, natural movements, with more realistic acceleration and inertia than ever before. The physicality between players is also improved, which was a priority requested in PES forums. Jostling and blocking now looks stunning, while there is a larger variety of convincing tackling styles. Ambient animation also adds immensely to the in-game atmosphere, as players behave realistically when off the ball, and walk and run with a variety of individual styles.

Speed of Play: The new level of control means that PES 2011 enjoys a more considered pace of play, which varies dependent on situations. The game will burst into life as counter-attacks come into play, but players can dictate the pace via slow build up or exploiting available space to surge forward. It is harder to make long runs from midfield, and successful play will depend on making quick passes to make room.

Aesthetics: PES 2010 showcased the best likenesses in a football game, and PES 2011 ups the ante further. Facial animation has been enhanced, but the key advances are over 1000 all-new animations which have been recreated from the ground up using over 100 hours of motion captured footage. Every aspect of player movement has been reworked, with more organic runs, turns, throw-ins, tackles, and interaction. The way players speed up and slow down is also more natural, while replays display elements of motion blur that bring your saved goals to vivid life.

Tactical and Strategy: The sheer number of options available in the PES series has established it as a remarkably flexible simulation, allowing players to stamp their playing style on each match. The PES Productions team has implemented an all new 'Drag and Drop' mechanism that can be used in every aspect of team management, not just substitutions or formation changes. These settings are also animated to promote better understanding of the plays that have been altered.

Feint settings: PES has always offered a wide range of subtle skills, feints and turns, but PES 2011 allows users to map their favourite move sequences to the right stick, making them more accessible than ever before.

Master League Online: Master League will offer an all-new challenge, as users are invited to try their hand against other managers online. PES 2011 will mark the online debut for its much-loved Master League element, with players bidding against each other for the world?s best players, and attempting to build a squad that can compete with the best against online peers all over the globe.

PES 2011 also features a myriad of smaller additions, all designed to enhance the overall experience. The game's difficulty level has been upped thanks to the greater control on offer, while new camera angles showcase the game's stunning visuals and animation. Likewise, in accordance with the strong wishes of the fan base, both referees and goal keepers have been improved in both aesthetic and AI terms, while an all-new commentary process has been implemented that offers a better and less repetitive overview of the proceedings.

The game will also see the return of Lionel Messi - arguably the greatest player in the modern game - as its cover star, and the expansion of its UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League elements, and the addition of the Copa Liberadores, South America's most influential and important club-based competition.

"This is just the tip of the iceberg for PES 2011," concluded Murphy. "We have some significant announcements still to come regarding game modes and gameplay functions. The first footage of the new game perfectly showcases the new animation and freedom elements that beat at the heart of the new game. We are confident that PES 2011 will both surprise and delight football fans. They are going to have to relearn how they play, as this is a very different game, but I am confident it will blow them all away."

PES 2011 will be released for PlayStation®3, Xbox 360, Wii, PlayStation®2, PSP (PlayStation®Portable), and PC-DVD in the Autumn.

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If Konami deliver on their word then PES is well and truly back.:WORSHIP: It certainly seems like they've listened to the fans as everything I want to see changed is in that announcement.

Just need to see it move now.
 
IMO, it's another year they'll be trying to catch up with FIFA.

What's new, in terms of gameplay, that hasn't been done already, by PES or another football simulation?

Zit.

Too bad.
 
Jamezinho said:
If Konami deliver on their word then PES is well and truly back.:WORSHIP: It certainly seems like they've listened to the fans as everything I want to see changed is in that announcement.

Just need to see it move now.
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Damn right Jamezinho. Also happy birthday for yesterday mate!
 
Its coming at 1pm. The press release has been taken down. Will re-appear then too.
 
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