jameslv1986
League 2
- 4 November 2009
Dont really care if its 360 or not, every single preview has mentioned how free the game. And as none of the journalists has reported that the game is restricted does it matter that its not full 360.
PES 2011 Discussion thread
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dannyfc2
Premier League
- 9 June 2009
But reviews and playtests aren't reliable, surely that's proven by how promising the last 3 games have sounded before release. I'm not arguing whether 360o is good or not, what I'm saying is coming out and saying 'we have implemented 360 dribbling, or 32 directional dribbling or w.e' has a lot more substance then claiming 'Total Freedom'. Total Freedom doesn't mean anything, why don't they outline what they've actually coded to make it play more freely. That's my problem with Konami press releases, every statement is vague and subjective with no real definitive proof of improvement. EA Sport's feature names may sound gimmicky I admit, but at least you know exactly what they're trying to achieve with them and how.
Both are doctors of spin.
Err.... I don't have to prove anything to you when you can easily search the net and ask Fifa players. Whether you like it or not, Fifa does NOT have 360 dribbling. And for the life of me I can't believe you are trying to convince me with EA's PR campaign.
But that's not my point, in fact I don't mind Fifa's dribbling angles, but to say they have 360 dribbling is just nonsense.
I thought people learned to never believe EA's PR crap. 1000 decision per second anyone? Fgs..
raffupperv12
League 2
- 22 January 2007
I have a concern that might not be an issue but wanted clarity on it if possible:
- If PES has all new animations, will players off the ball runs be minimized or slowed down in order for the animations to run smoothly or will it be all timed accordingly (hope not because I feel that players off the ball runs and tactics is what makes PES more of a football sim than FIFA, FIFA players take way too long to develop runs/support if they even make the run at all!...PES has players making overlapping runs, 3rd man release, triangle support, forwards making diagonal runs [plays that create space] i.e. they ANTICIPATE the play not REACT to play like in FIFA)
Just a thought not to get off topic or anything
- If PES has all new animations, will players off the ball runs be minimized or slowed down in order for the animations to run smoothly or will it be all timed accordingly (hope not because I feel that players off the ball runs and tactics is what makes PES more of a football sim than FIFA, FIFA players take way too long to develop runs/support if they even make the run at all!...PES has players making overlapping runs, 3rd man release, triangle support, forwards making diagonal runs [plays that create space] i.e. they ANTICIPATE the play not REACT to play like in FIFA)
Just a thought not to get off topic or anything
Dusse
Banned
I have and I have found nothing.
Yes, it does.
That's not EA PR, that is one of the developers explaining in their forums how it works.
To say it's not without any proof what so ever is nonsense.
I have no doubt that they do make 1000 decisions a second. Humans makes much more "decisions" every second though.
Sorry, but you're just being silly and embarrasing yourself.
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BillyBoy
Guest
I assume you are referring to PES 2010 not 2011. If you are talking about 2011 then I really don't know where you got that fact from as its obvious from the videos that the game is much more free.
I have and I have found nothing.
Yes, it does.
That's not EA PR, that is one of the developers explaining in their forums how it works.
To say it's not without any proof what so ever is nonsense.
I have no doubt that they do make 1000 decisions a second. Humans makes much more "decisions" every second though.
Sorry, but you're just being silly and embarrasing yourself.
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Nope I ain't being silly and not embarrassed myself. I've read many people saying it ain't true 360, and I tried it myself and it can't be 360 dribbling. That's pure nonsense. Just like Konami saying PES 2010 has 360 but it didn't. It did have more angles though.
Also if you're that positive of it being 360, why don't you go ahead and show me a video showing a player doing a 360 dribble?
raffupperv12
League 2
- 22 January 2007
thats what I figured, but just wanted to ask becuase I remember reading somewhere a while ago that FIFA 10 had trouble implementing a proper tactical game because the animations where getting in the way of the players A.I.???? I know it sounds dumb but I am not a game programmer and don't know if that stuff gets in the way.
Well, that's your answer right there mate. FIFA.
They always had that problem, never in PES. Their tactical side was never that good. The one thing that was and still is always good in PES is the tactical side of the game. I'd never worry if I were you 
Dusse
Banned
And now what the fuck is a 360 dribble? Unless I have some kind of robot that controls the analog stick..no, I won't be able to run in a (large) perfect circle but that's not what this is about.
Dusse
Banned
I doubt you've read that anywhere because it's inaccurate.. Actually, the fact that FIFA has better and more animations should just be positive for the tactical aspect of the games, thanks to more running speeds etc. Hopefully PES11 will include more running speeds too.
I thought you knew? Since you're that sure of it then I thought it was an easy thing to prove it to me? If you can't then lets just leave it here. You believe it's 360, and I don't. And I believe we don't need it even, 32 angles should be good, imo
Gab_
I agree
- 6 April 2009
As a programmer I can say that 1000 decisions is easily possible. Problem is they shouldn't say these things because people that have no clue about it doesn't understand what it means at all.
Dusse
Banned
I thought you knew? Since you're that sure of it then I thought it was an easy thing to prove it to me? If you can't then lets just leave it here. You believe it's 360, and I don't. And I believe we don't need it even, 32 angles should be good, imo
I know what 360 degree dribbling is, not what a 360 dribble is. It is as easy to prove that to you as it it to prove that god doesn't exist to someone religious. You claim to want a simulator and a realistic game of football and yet you're arguing that one of the most important things in football isn't important..geez.
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Leo
League 2
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Nope I ain't being silly and not embarrassed myself. I've read many people saying it ain't true 360, and I tried it myself and it can't be 360 dribbling. That's pure nonsense. Just like Konami saying PES 2010 has 360 but it didn't. It did have more angles though.
Also if you're that positive of it being 360, why don't you go ahead and show me a video showing a player doing a 360 dribble?
Here is a link to the famous 360 degree dribble: YouTube - FIFA 10 - Gameplay (Ajax-Feyenoord)
Oh, and yes, I just took the very first search result on youtube. Seriously, what do you mean when you want to see a video with 360 degree dribbling? Could you show me a real life video?
The only meaning of 360 degree dribble is that you can put the ball in whatever angle you want. That should be essential to create a good football simulator (and is, if you learn to use it in FIFA for example). It is not some kind of feint or trick as you seem to think (which is laughable), and I should have given up trying to explain these things but this is probably the last try.
And I can't for the life of me think that anyone that has played FIFA 10 doesn't think that they can push the stick in any desired direction and get the player on screen to take the ball in that direction, it's beyond me.
Well, 360 degree dribbling, show it to me. If you can't, then we're done here.
Dusse
Banned
You guys are going in circles with all that 360 degree dribbling.
And when did I say or even think 360 degree dribbling is a feint or trick? It's pretty clear what the words say. I just want anyone to prove to me that it actually exists, and yes, show me a real player doing it fgs to back up your point. You want me to be easily convinced by some PR of a company that have said many things and barely delivered. Now that's laughable.
If you can pick any angle of the 360 angles while dribbling or running with the ball then you must be a hell of a great player that no one have ever heard of. It's not even easy. Hell I ain't even sure some of you even play real football. Great players with low body mass, not sure if thats what its called, can pick more angles and dribble while running, but not to the extent of 360.
EDIT: Watching the clip and I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here? Are you being sarcastic? All I could see is players dribbling in certain directions and definitely not 360?
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Dusse
Banned
That's not the point. I've already said that no, it's next to impossible for a player to choose to go 96 degree instead of 97. The point is that there is NOTHING EXCEPT FOR HIS OWN INACCURACY that is stopping him from going there. That is already replicated in game due to the fact that your thumb on the analog stick is just as inaccurate. I can TRY to go for any of the 360 degrees, however, just as in FIFA.
Reality: you can go any of the 360 degrees available, only prevented by your own inaccuracy
PES: I can only go in some, predetermined angles, prevented by scripted, artificial constraints
That is what games should aim for, not add an artificial constraint to prevent you from total freedom.
And yes, I've played football. By the age of 15 I was one of the top goalkeepers in Sweden, thank you very much.
Gab_
I agree
- 6 April 2009
You're missing the point again Lami. It's not any direction and keeping the same speed. While jogging in real life you can pretty much move in 180 degrees, from one side to the other side, without losing that much speed. Running is only 45 maybe, 22½ to each side. More than that you'll lose control and have to slow down. But what makes it 360 is that at any time, depending on the situation, you can move in any direction you want, and not on predetermined rails like in PES.
Football Kingdom also have 360 degree movement, although it cheats with the touches a little. That's why FIFA can claim to be the first game to do it properly, because each touch is real (with the help of IK).
Football Kingdom also have 360 degree movement, although it cheats with the touches a little. That's why FIFA can claim to be the first game to do it properly, because each touch is real (with the help of IK).
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Why didn't you continue?
But again, can a player really pick any of the 360 angles while running or dribbling with the ball? I understand a player can pick certain angles since his pace and balance would restrict him from being more free. That's my understanding of dribbling and angles. I also understand if I'm standing still or moving really slow then I surely can achieve more angles, still not the accuracy of 360.
So based on this, I'm saying we don't really need that many in a game, that a game should be both free and fun. Free enough to have more angles to pass to and dribble, and fun enough to still maintain the precision/accuracy. In the end it's a video game that should achieve both, and I don't think a video game should stray far away from the fun factor. I'm with simulation, but not to the extent that makes it boring.
When I'm trying to argue this 360 degree of dribbling, I'm always trying to imagine myself doing it and actually getting off my ass to try it.
I'm sensing some aggressiveness here tbh. Lets not go there.
That's what I'm trying to say this whole time. I think I'm being misunderstood here. I'm not getting this whole 360 degree dribbling thing. What you said there is my perception exactly. Maybe the wording is not helping.
Gab_
I agree
- 6 April 2009
Yeah but if you think at it like that, old PES only had like 4 possible degree dribbling.
Wasn't it 45 degrees? Meaning it was 8 directional? Anyway, that's my understanding of this whole degrees of dribbling thing, as in every degree = a direction, in the case of 360 degrees.
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Rob92
Guest
You just have to go into the arena on FIFA 10 and jog towards the goal with the ball, slightly moving the analog stick after each touch to see the small changes in direction - it's definitely 360 degrees.
It doesn't add much to the game in FIFA though, most likely due to the piss easy closing down and crappy AI. 360 degree movement should be in every football game these days though, it's 2010 ffs, analog sticks have been on controllers over a decade, not making full use of them is just pathetic.
It doesn't add much to the game in FIFA though, most likely due to the piss easy closing down and crappy AI. 360 degree movement should be in every football game these days though, it's 2010 ffs, analog sticks have been on controllers over a decade, not making full use of them is just pathetic.
Gab_
I agree
- 6 April 2009
Well every direction is limited to 45 degree "rails", meaning if you jog to the right, you have four more possible degrees to go without going backwards again (45 or 90 degrees to each side/ 4 directions).
With 360 directional dribbling you have 1 degree "rails" instead.
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Dusse
Banned
You found that but when I posted it a few hours ago it was just a bunch of lies? Great.