PES 2009 General Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA TALK OR POLITICAL CHAT)

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Retri said:
Yeah, you know, perhaps your analysis ain't that far-fetched (albeit at first glance FIFA seems more of a "Nike commercial" tricks simulator than anything, to each his own I guess, I've had enough of that stuff 15 years ago with California Games), the real problem though is that neither of them is fun to play on the long run and, since I've been facepalming at people blabbing about HD and "next generation" a lot lately, despite FIFA graphical engine holding a lot of raw potential, an exceptionally poor players characterization paired up with flat-out wrong anatomycal references, monkey'sque animations and an half-assed art direction which sunk the entire organoleptic portion of the game deep down the uncanny valley sorta defeated the point making the game look underwhelming at best, actually shortening the gap between the EA title and the seemingly not-quite-next gen PES latest release which could've (shoulda? Think so) been a lot wider.

I guess we're back to square one, J-Winning Eleven 9 AC/Sensible World of Soccer/Football Kingdom (those were the days and those were football games) here I come.

What truly leaves me wondering and speechless is how some of the older players, those with brains who don't strive to justify their fanboy'ism-driven purchase of a rather pricy home entertaining system (whether it's a Xbox360 or a PS3 I could care less) whose peculiar characteristic is a depressing lack of worthwhile software and haven't been victims of the "GQ-syndrome" which makes everything "HD", new and technologically advanced cool and fun by default, could actually enjoy these overly shitty games which revolve around awfully convoluted controls and astonishingly evanescent gameplay;

we've gone backwards, notwithstanding most of the userbase is either blinded by the ruling mediocrity or in denial due to fanboy'ism and that's a pretty sad occurrance for the electronic entertainment industry as a whole, at this rate there won't be anything decent to play by the time the next generation of systems comes out (assuming the majors, except Microsoft of course since they seem to have enough cash to burn to cover their terrible gaming division's ass for the next 10 generations), manage to survive the current, disastrous one eh).

Wake the fk up and ttop feeding these software houses, people. Then, maybe, we'll get another decent football game.
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I like the PES2009 Demo more than any PES game on PS2, because it plays quite a lot like the better ones, but looks a lot nearer to reality and has significantly more detail. It is a jazzed-up HD bettererererer version, but PES2008 was too, and that crock 'o' sh1te didn't get the time of day from me. Equally, I loved Sensi World of Soccer to pieces in 1997, but I haven't played it on XBL Arcade for months even though I've got a jazzy new version, cos it's just not that good a game by modern standards.

I loved ISSPE, and ISSPE2 even more, but I doubt I could stand playing them now knowing how the title has moved on. Changes aren't always better, but without last year's blip there has been a constant evolution. Even sh1tty old PES2008 introduced shirt pulling, diving, AI corner-flag timewasting and, um, some other stuff... oh yeah, importing face and shirt pictures into edit mode, most of which are enhancements to the whole experience.

Can't argue that neither of the 08 games hit the target for me, and I generally agree with FIFA's failings too, but I don't think we've gone backwards either, both new games are miles better than either of their 1999 incarnations and better than anything either series has put out before.

Mind you, Pong's still a hell of a game too.
 
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Good for all the people who played the demo and were generally pleased with PES2009. I'm happy for you but I am sorry I don't share the same feeling. For the first time in 10 years, I will not be buying a PE, ISS, WE, WE:FE, WE:JL or PES game which feels weird but it's the right thing to do. I even regret purchasing last year's copy if the number of sales that PES 08 made last year lead Konami to come out with this kind of effort.

To put it in simple terms the three negative factors that hit me in the face when playing the PES demo are:

1) This game does not feel like it was written for a PS3. It runs like an emulation. Something is missing. The natural flow of the game that was there in the PS2 and PS versions is no longer there for some reason. Feels like Konami never got used to this new generation platform of technology.

2) The direction that the game is heading does not intrigue me anymore. PES 09 feels like an attempt to create an HD version of PES 5. Mr. Seabass came out and said that Winning Eleven was never meant to be a football simulation to start with!! Add to that the fact that Konami never seemed to bother about International feedback on their game which lead to positive features being scrapped in more than one version of PES and then brought back a couple of years later takes away all sympathy I have towards their Comapany given they were always the underdog in terms of resources. I feel sympathy for the series though as it represents most of my best gaming memories for the past decade.

3) Available alternatives. Putting Graphics, Environment, Features, Licenses, Game Modes, Online Functionality aside for a second. If you look compare FIFA 08 to PES 08 in terms of gameplay, give both games a 2 week run at least, you can spot the clear superiority of FIFA's engine this time around. I saw huge potential given required tweaks and additions here and there in that engine. The fact that EA listened to the Football community and delivered makes FIFA 09 that much better and it is, truly, the best football simulation engine that is out there today. Konami has a real slippery slope to climb in 2010 if they are to come anywhere close to FIFA in terms of soccer simulation.
 
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Ronaldinho_23 said:
ou yeah!!!! nike boots!!!!!
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Nice to see that the Body Shape editing is in, for some reason I half expected that not to make it (probably latent PES6 on 360 trauma).

Nice shirt logo editing using the old Emblem editor thing too. That makes me a very VERY happy panda, cos it means on 360 even if there's no import feature we'll be able to create actual sponsors AND actual shirt design fronts with the in-game editor, allowing for near-perfect kits. I don't fancy recreating team badges though !!!

Also good to see the 20 (to Team R) empty slots.

Shorts are still 4 colours and socks 3 within a particular template, but there are a lot of them, so that's good too.

I REALLY hope there are current Umbro templates in the game, I always think that it should be a rule of thumb that every licensed "image" kit should have an equivalent in the edit mode and there are so many teams wearing their 3 templates this year and very few wearing last year's designs.

Still, that looks like a ton of fun, sticking the extra pinstripes on the West Brom kit next to the wide lines and all that, finding a template with the right shoulder design...

...loving it even more now I've seen that!

And just for Cammey, all the confirmation that you can't set untucked shirts in edit mode that he doesn't want to see. Guh.

I just need a slow motion breakdown of the 70-odd kit styles (and to know if they're the same for each layer) now and I'll have seen everything I need to see.

Aaaargh, FIFA09 ad on the tv, I'm being oppresssed ! ;)
 
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demolition said:
Good for all the people who played the demo and were generally pleased with PES2009. I'm happy for you but I am sorry I don't share the same feeling. For the first time in 10 years, I will not be buying a PE, ISS, WE, WE:FE, WE:JL or PES game which feels weird but it's the right thing to do. I even regret purchasing last year's copy if the number of sales that PES 08 made last year lead Konami to come out with this kind of effort.

To put it in simple terms the three negative factors that hit me in the face when playing the PES demo are:

1) This game does not feel like it was written for a PS3. It runs like an emulation. Something is missing. The natural flow of the game that was there in the PS2 and PS versions is no longer there for some reason. Feels like Konami never got used to this new generation platform of technology.

2) The direction that the game is heading does not intrigue me anymore. PES 09 feels like an attempt to create an HD version of PES 5. Mr. Seabass came out and said that Winning Eleven was never meant to be a football simulation to start with!! Add to that the fact that Konami never seemed to bother about International feedback on their game which lead to positive features being scrapped in more than one version of PES and then brought back a couple of years later takes away all sympathy I have towards their Comapany given they were always the underdog in terms of resources. I feel sympathy for the series though as it represents most of my best gaming memories for the past decade.

3) Available alternatives. Putting Graphics, Environment, Features, Licenses, Game Modes, Online Functionality aside for a second. If you look compare FIFA 08 to PES 08 in terms of gameplay, give both games a 2 week run at least, you can spot the clear superiority of FIFA's engine this time around. I saw huge potential given required tweaks and additions here and there in that engine. The fact that EA listened to the Football community and delivered makes FIFA 09 that much better and it is, truly, the best football simulation engine that is out there today. Konami has a real slippery slope to climb in 2010 if they are to come anywhere close to FIFA in terms of soccer simulation.
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Couldn't agree more with you.
PES is one generation behind.
 
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Nick Cave said:
:SHOCK:... Damn all we need now is badger to come on and praise FIFA and then I know the whole world has flip flopped...
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I'll play the Fifa demo over the weekend but I'm not exactly hopeful.

People here have hyped it too much and if it cannot capture even a fraction of what PES has then the ball will drop and I will realise that a lot of you are actually insane.

There's an inverse relationship going on between both games here, shitting on PES lowers expectations (so it exceeds them) whilst Fifa now has a stupidly high standard to reach. If Fifa 09 isn't up to scratch then I am not going to be consoled by the fact that EA listened to my plea for an untucked shirt, petty drivel like that doesn't sway me in the slightest.
 
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SaintScott said:
So is the FIFA09 Demo (you know, the one we're not allowed to discuss here) actually very poor at conveying what the full game can do ? Cos when I played FIFA09 Demo, it felt exactly like FIFA08, and playing that bored me after about 3 weeks. No fluidity, no flow, no depth and that diving header I already discussed which just killed it for me. But I feel a big improvement in PES that I just didn't get from FIFA.
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You're kind of on your own their mate. Enjoy PES2009! :-D
 
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can someone tell me if the ps3 demo can be run 1080i/p?
 
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Putuco Malo said:
It is not the same to say "you opened your eyes" than say "IMO". With a quote like that, you imply something like "he is reasoning now".

If you had said something like "it is good that you agree with me", "it is fine that you have same points of view like me", would be different. "It is good that you finally open your eyes" does not sound as a personal opinion, but a fact that if he likes PES, he is just blind. So SAD as I said. You have to realise/accept that not all dislike new PES and not because of that we are morons, we just think/like different things/games.

In my post, there is no need to say "IMO" because I am not giving my opinion at all. I am critizing the attitude of some here that thinks that the world spins/roll around them. Honestly, that is pretty sad. Sound like anyone that like PES is a moron and the people that like FIFA are spot on. I am not defending the game as the greatest of all times, just the fact that some people bash here people that likes PES genuinely. Grow up please.



It is his opinion also, he is not stating is the best game of all times.
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I was sort of joking about the "IMO" thing. It's kind o flike that whole "Im just kidding" thing. That sentence is used to cover peoples arses. "You are so obese!"...."Just kidding" Cheer up!
 
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Retri said:
Yeah, you know, perhaps your analysis ain't that far-fetched (albeit at first glance FIFA seems more of a "Nike commercial" tricks simulator than anything, to each his own I guess, I've had enough of that stuff 15 years ago with California Games), the real problem though is that neither of them is fun to play on the long run and, since I've been facepalming at people blabbing about HD and "next generation" a lot lately, despite FIFA graphical engine holding a lot of raw potential, an exceptionally poor players characterization paired up with flat-out wrong anatomycal references, monkey'sque animations and an half-assed art direction which sunk the entire organoleptic portion of the game deep down the uncanny valley sorta defeated the point making the game look underwhelming at best, actually shortening the gap between the EA title and the seemingly not-quite-next gen PES latest release which could've (shoulda? Think so) been a lot wider.

I guess we're back to square one, J-Winning Eleven 9 AC/Sensible World of Soccer/Football Kingdom (those were the days and those were football games) here I come.

What truly leaves me wondering and speechless is how some of the older players, those with brains who don't strive to justify their fanboy'ism-driven purchase of a rather pricy home entertaining system (whether it's a Xbox360 or a PS3 I could care less) whose peculiar characteristic is a depressing lack of worthwhile software and haven't been victims of the "GQ-syndrome" which makes everything "HD", new and technologically advanced cool and fun by default, could actually enjoy these overly shitty games which revolve around awfully convoluted controls and astonishingly evanescent gameplay;

we've gone backwards, notwithstanding most of the userbase is either blinded by the ruling mediocrity or in denial due to fanboy'ism and that's a pretty sad occurrance for the electronic entertainment industry as a whole, at this rate there won't be anything decent to play by the time the next generation of systems comes out (assuming the majors, except Microsoft of course since they seem to have enough cash to burn to cover their terrible gaming division's ass for the next 10 generations), manage to survive the current, disastrous one eh).

Wake the fk up and ttop feeding these software houses, people. Then, maybe, we'll get another decent football game.
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Do you have a summary for this? Put the "IMO" at the end, and you're fine....otherwise you sound like a preacher who has reached for his thesaurus and dictionary and drafted several versions.
 
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astirling said:
I'm sorry I disagree. Up until last year, I was a fairly rabid PES fanboy playing every version since the ISSPro days. PES2008 was terrible however, and I got a lot of enjoyment out of playing FIFA. Not at first....because I was still trying to play it like PES. I had to unlearn that and discover the depth FIFA actually has. It's not going to happen in a quick blast of the demo it takes weeks.........just like PES did for years. It still had a lot of flaws - but it was closer to football than anything I'd played before. But I could still understand why some PES fans wouldn't go for it.

This year however FIFA is good. Really really good. It's not a lazy yearly update with little tweaks here and there. In gameplay terms it improves on both PES and FIFA in absolutely every way. It is streets and streets ahead of anything on the market. You owe it to yourself to buy it and give it a decent chance because you absolutely won't do it justice with a 2 hour session. It flows fantastically well and it has layer upon layer of depth. It's wonderful.
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It's like asking the taliban to convert to christianity or judaism! Unfortunately, PES is a religion to many, if not most. I know people who wont play Fifa simply cause it's Fifa and EA (evil corp.). It's absurd. Absurd how loyalty to a company you dont work for is! It's like a gang. And in every gang there are those who want to get out but can't. Sad! :CRY:
 
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julien said:
come again...
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I think he started out hopeful for PES and a bit of a PES fanboy. After playing the 2 demos, he (unlike many here) couldn't lie to himself and changed his mind because of what he saw, played. He clearly likes Fifa more. And that's coming from someone who was (seemed) to side with PES all the way. That's what a bad demo can do for you! Props to Emmanuele!:ROCK:
 
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SaintScott said:
So is the FIFA09 Demo (you know, the one we're not allowed to discuss here) actually very poor at conveying what the full game can do ? Cos when I played FIFA09 Demo, it felt exactly like FIFA08, and playing that bored me after about 3 weeks. No fluidity, no flow, no depth and that diving header I already discussed which just killed it for me. But I feel a big improvement in PES that I just didn't get from FIFA.
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:LOL: Mate, plays wayyyy different. Wayyyyyyy! Stop lying! anyone with eyes can tell the difference. IMO.
 
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Badgerman said:
I'll play the Fifa demo over the weekend but I'm not exactly hopeful.

People here have hyped it too much and if it cannot capture even a fraction of what PES has then the ball will drop and I will realise that a lot of you are actually insane.

There's an inverse relationship going on between both games here, shitting on PES lowers expectations (so it exceeds them) whilst Fifa now has a stupidly high standard to reach. If Fifa 09 isn't up to scratch then I am not going to be consoled by the fact that EA listened to my plea for an untucked shirt, petty drivel like that doesn't sway me in the slightest.
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I bet my left arm you will hate Fifa 09. I have no doubts about this. Mark my word, "you will hate it" Why? Cause that's the way it was meant to be.

By the way, it's great, imo.
 
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brunnoce said:
have u guys been able to see untucked shirts from the playing (wide) camera??
i can only see it when its zoomed in....damn.
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:DD You crack me up. For weeks and weeks, youve been talking bout untucked shirts! Sweet. I actually always untucked my players shirts in previous PES's. Just looks cooler
 
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I think the bottom line is that PES2009 is an improvement over 2008 but just a small one. Still, at least it's a step in the right direction as opposed to the wrong one. At this rate it'll probably take Konami five years to get back to the excellence of WE7 International (still my fave soccer game ever - I think I must have released about 6 full patches for that thing and played the heck out of it). FIFA 09 is a far superior game at this point but I do genuinely hope that Konami step up to the plate and brings something great out next year otherwise we'll have a similar problem with FIFA next year in terms of little to no progression because of a lack of competition.

Anyway, PES2009 is ok and pretty fun to pick up and play but it's not what we were all waiting for by any means. FIFA wins again this year but at least PES is playable again and that's a definite improvement in anybody's book!
 
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TheWolf said:
I think the bottom line is that PES2009 is an improvement over 2008 but just a small one. Still, at least it's a step in the right direction as opposed to the wrong one. At this rate it'll probably take Konami five years to get back to the excellence of WE7 International (still my fave soccer game ever - I think I must have released about 6 full patches for that thing and played the heck out of it). FIFA 09 is a far superior game at this point but I do genuinely hope that Konami step up to the plate and brings something great out next year otherwise we'll have a similar problem with FIFA next year in terms of little to no progression because of a lack of competition.

Anyway, PES2009 is ok and pretty fun to pick up and play but it's not what we were all waiting for by any means. FIFA wins again this year but at least PES is playable again and that's a definite improvement in anybody's book!
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Great post. I think another problem PES 09 has is that its being compared to Fifa 09. If PES 09 were the only footy title I would surely rent it. But, as it stands, there's a much better alternative to most people now with fifa 09. Alot have tried this fifa 09, first fifa in yearsss and are extremely pleased. Then there are those who wont even think about fifa cause EA is "evil".

Ive always hated EA (lots of reasons) but they are finally churning baddass games. Fifa 09, Nhl 09 (trumped NHL 2k9. Dare you say no!), and even Dead Space! yes, Dead Space has gotten 2 reviews in the 9's! Is hell freezing?
 
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BwA Spectre said:
Great post. I think another problem PES 09 has is that its being compared to Fifa 09. If PES 09 were the only footy title I would surely rent it. But, as it stands, there's a much better alternative to most people now with fifa 09. Alot have tried this fifa 09, first fifa in yearsss and are extremely pleased. Then there are those who wont even think about fifa cause EA is "evil".

Ive always hated EA (lots of reasons) but they are finally churning baddass games. Fifa 09, Nhl 09 (trumped NHL 2k9. Dare you say no!), and even Dead Space! yes, Dead Space has gotten 2 reviews in the 9's! Is hell freezing?
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Not the place to be playing out your dream job as an EA marketing goon.

The demo for PES stinks, but it seems like you take joy in it.
 
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TheWolf said:
I think the bottom line is that PES2009 is an improvement over 2008 but just a small one. Still, at least it's a step in the right direction as opposed to the wrong one. At this rate it'll probably take Konami five years to get back to the excellence of WE7 International (still my fave soccer game ever - I think I must have released about 6 full patches for that thing and played the heck out of it). FIFA 09 is a far superior game at this point but I do genuinely hope that Konami step up to the plate and brings something great out next year otherwise we'll have a similar problem with FIFA next year in terms of little to no progression because of a lack of competition.

Anyway, PES2009 is ok and pretty fun to pick up and play but it's not what we were all waiting for by any means. FIFA wins again this year but at least PES is playable again and that's a definite improvement in anybody's book!
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IMO FIfa is not for all people...people that grew up with PES wont give it up...and with the improvement of PES2009 over the pathetic 2008...even less will try FIFA...I believe that it would take 2 PES in a row as bad or even worst than 2008 to completely kill Seabass team...
 
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BwA Spectre said:
Great post. I think another problem PES 09 has is that its being compared to Fifa 09. If PES 09 were the only footy title I would surely rent it. But, as it stands, there's a much better alternative to most people now with fifa 09. Alot have tried this fifa 09, first fifa in yearsss and are extremely pleased. Then there are those who wont even think about fifa cause EA is "evil".

Ive always hated EA (lots of reasons) but they are finally churning baddass games. Fifa 09, Nhl 09 (trumped NHL 2k9. Dare you say no!), and even Dead Space! yes, Dead Space has gotten 2 reviews in the 9's! Is hell freezing?
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EA will have the 2 best sports of the year, FIFA 09 and NHL 09, and why? simple becouse they heard their costumers, both producers of those games said that a lot: "we decide to heard the costumers to make a better game".

in the meantime i saw an interview with seabass on a portuguese site where they asked him something like that and his answer was just ridiculos, he said: "we don't want only to heard the costumers ideas, we want to create things that they never saw before, we want to inovate always."

i really can't believe that he was talking about PES, they not only don't take anyone sugestion and ideas but also don't create nothing new since PS2 versions!

with a producer like that i can only imagine how will be PES in the next years... worse and worse...
 
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PES will only recover if they create a complete new game engine...well... but that´s hard and cost a lot of time and money. So what will they do? As long as they sell the trademark "PES" labelled in a console game cover, they won´t touch the game engine. In 3-4 years when FIFA have the monopoly over football games, then maybe konami work on new things (if they still creating PES and don´t start creating Manga Tsubasa Evo Soccer or Cartoon Soccer or any other "fun football game").

I´m really piss*d off. I was expecting too much from this game and I´m totally disapointed after playing 30 matches of it. Seems very good in the first 4-5 games, and seems crap after 30 matches (oh and try to play it human vs human because you will see the game problems there).
 
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Emanuel said:
PES will only recover if they create a complete new game engine...well... but that´s hard and cost a lot of time and money. So what will they do? As long as they sell the trademark "PES" labelled in a console game cover, they won´t touch the game engine. In 3-4 years when FIFA have the monopoly over football games, then maybe konami work on new things (if they still creating PES and don´t start creating Manga Tsubasa Evo Soccer or Cartoon Soccer or any other "fun football game").

I´m really piss*d off. I was expecting too much from this game and I´m totally disapointed after playing 30 matches of it. Seems very good in the first 4-5 games, and seems crap after 30 matches (oh and try to play it human vs human because you will see the game problems there).
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Even if the game dont get a revolution in next years, I highly doubt that Konami/Seabass will lose money since last game was shit and still sold more than FIFA. This year I guess it will be the same since the game is better.

It is a fact that the hardcore gamers are a little minority. We don't really decide if Konami gets richer or poorer.
 
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T Butcher fan said:
I've played both Demo's now, and while some of the movement in FIFA was really impressive, the game as a whole is just as flawed and irritating as PES - just in different ways. Fuck knows what some of you have been raving about, you've just swapped one set of problems for another as far as I can see.

They're both 'ok'. Anyone who thinks either one is brilliant needs to lay off the horse tranquilisers.

My personal preference is for PES this time round, I've just had more fun playing it than FIFA, but neither blew my socks off.
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Agreed there.
Kenny G said:
Just when I thought it was safe to bury the memory of 08, I could SWEAR I heard "Football....Soccer" playing on the stadium P.A. during Half time in the demo. I shuddered straight away.
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Tell me about it. We really don't need that. Actually its not just that, I heard more from the crap 2008 tracks too.
Nick Cave said:
:LOL: got to love the PES thread...
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True. Specially going through 10 pages post by post everytime i log on..
Gunners` said:
yeah like what Seabass and konami do every year !! :applaud: fool you with a crap game with alot of problems and what is more important its the same game with new cover looooool !! thats amazing man :LOL: and u keep deffinding him what i can say right now LETS FIFA 09 what wonderful game :)
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:SS
 
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demo has been deleted, it's piss poor

shame cos pro evo never used to leave my playstation
 
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Something about the demo that you realize after a few matches is that the developers have basically cheated in an attempt to create a more realistic game. Rather than improve defensive AI, tackling, the ability to out muscle attackers, the focus has been on removing features to force the player into playing a certain way.

Basically, attackers have very little body strength when it control of the ball so that running through defenders becomes much more difficult. Instead, they simply bounce off each other in an awkward fashion, going into canned, sliding animations. Perhaps the most obvious attempt to counter attacking play has been the removal of certain features, the skill moves being rendered next to useless, no longer on the right stick and those that are now on the d-pad are rendered ineffective by a combination of robotic 8 way directions, poor animations and poor collision engine.

The players have been slowed down dramatically, so fast players do not cover ground quickly, and ball control feels stiff. The players themselves feel completely stiff and unresponsive when dribbling. Again, this has nullified the ability to take people on with good players.

The game essentially forces players to pass the ball in an attempt to address the easy attacking of PES 2008. The result is a game that closer resembles pinball than football, where individuals don't stand out like they did in previous games. Users are forced to pass their way through a defense rather than choose how they attack the opposition.

Football is the beautiful game, where you have freedom to express, to play different styles of football. This game has removed that element completely, the very thing that makes football what it is.
 
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